Patrick Willis says Randy Moss has been “unbelievable”

ttruth1 · 2012-05-26T18:05:23.745482+00:00

Drew Brees wants 21 22 million. Peyton was paid 28 in Indy. In Denver he got 19.

Peyton didn't get paid $28 million in Indy. That's why he was released. Had he been kept on the team he would've been owed a $28 million roster bonus, but the original deal was 5 years $90 million with a $20 million signing bonus.

What I've read suggest that Brees is asking $25 million a year, and if Peyton Manning can get $19 million a year with questions about his health and being 3 years older, then Brees is probably worth $25 million.

smileyman · 2012-05-26T17:52:24.635988+00:00

That's a good idea actually. Any PI penalty longer than 15 or 20 yards is automatically reviewed (similar to scoring plays now).

smileyman · 2012-05-26T17:50:34.739349+00:00

People who own stock in the Packers/live in Brown County and pay taxes towards the stadium don't get a dime (correct me if I'm wrong).

Correct. The stock the Green Bay Packers sell doesn't pay dividends at all, so if the team were ever sold, the owners of said stock wouldn't see a penny on their investment. They do get a vote, but since no one person can own more than 500 shares it's basically worthless.

Essentially what you're doing is buying yourself a pretty cool piece of sports memorabilia/joining a fan club. I'd still jump at it if the 49ers did that, and I think fans of other teams would as well. I suspect that if the Vikings had been able to sell stock they never would have been in the position of needing Goodell to come down and twist some arms to get a stadium deal passed.

smileyman · 2012-05-26T17:46:19.272782+00:00

I think the NFL could make a booming business by selling online subscriptions to Sunday Ticket, similar to Rewind.

smileyman · 2012-05-26T03:32:26.933900+00:00

So you tell the refs "If you're not sure if it was blatant, then call it as incidental". Problem solved.

If you have to think about it, then it wasn't blatant.

smileyman · 2012-05-26T03:16:10.594591+00:00

The tuck rule will forever be the Tom Brady rule in my mind.

ttruth1 · 2012-05-26T03:11:34.444316+00:00

He has incredible hands. He's a lousy route runner though, and I just get the feeling that he's not dedicated to becoming a great football player.

ttruth1 · 2012-05-26T03:09:42.449431+00:00

Pretty much the money thing. Based on how the 49ers FO does contracts I imagine that they probably offered him a deal at about 20% less than what other teams were offering and then went to work selling him on the other benefits of being a 49er.

skeeter80108 · 2012-05-26T03:00:25.070982+00:00

If the 49ers hadn't had Steve Young waiting in the wings Montana would not have been traded. It's the same reason that the Packers were able to let Favre go without any qualms.

Peyton's release was something else entirely and I'm convinced that the Colts and Peyton Manning set that deal up specifically as a way to give Peyton a bunch of money as a going away present, knowing full well that he wouldn't be back to play for the franchise.

Bronan_the_Brobarian · 2012-05-26T02:57:23.008024+00:00

launched a football

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

Bruce_G · 2012-05-26T02:52:41.459582+00:00

First thing--I'd transfer the balance of Goodell's bank account to an off-shore account that I'd set up for that purpose. Second thing I'd do is fix the pass interference rules. Third thing is to make NFL officials full-time employees and actually establish some quality control measures amongst them.

RamsesToo · 2012-05-25T19:50:20.370302-07:00

I think it could be very interesting.

spedmonkey · 2012-05-26T02:38:25.178932+00:00

I actually really like him. I think he's been a pretty good commissioner and I've agreed with most of what he's done.

spedmonkey · 2012-05-26T02:37:22.316860+00:00

Er, the NFL's popularity in Europe has actually been steadily increasing, thus the push for games in Europe

I think that the Wembley game being sold out every single year (and sold out quickly too) points to there being a large fan base for football in at least one part of Europe. I can't imagine that there would ever be a franchise anywhere in Europe but I could see 3-6 games a year being played in various venues.

Bruce_G · 2012-05-26T02:33:00.745696+00:00

Welker was used solely as a KR/PR his first season in Miami. Over the next two seasons he averaged 11.7 YPC. In New England he's averaged 11.0 YPC, a drop off of 7 YPC.

The difference between his 1569 yard 2011 season and his 687 yards in 2006 is that he's had double the receptions. In fact, since joining the Patriots he's had at least 100 receptions every year except 2010 when he only started 11 games. Even then he had 86 receptions for 848 yards, which is 9.9 YPC.

So no, he's not a system QB.

Software_Engineer · 1 day

You'd put a guy in the Hall who only played 3 full seasons? He only started 12 or more games in 7 seasons. That alone is enough to justify him not getting into the Hall.

Granted, Randall Cunningham was hurt about as much as he wasn't, but the seven seasons where he was around for 12+ games, he never had fewer than 19 touchdowns

Not true. He started 14 games in 1994 and threw for 16 TDs. So he can't even lay claim to that record.

His average completion percentage during those 7 seasons was a lousy 56.74%. He threw for 167 tds during the 7 seasons as a full (mostly full) time player. He also threw 90 INTs, so for every two TDs he would throw an INT. His average YPA for those 7 seasons was 7.1. He averaged a QB rating of 90 or more for a season only twice, and one of the times it was a 91. His average QB rating was 85. He only had two seasons where he threw for more than 3500 yards. He only made it to 4 Pro Bowls.

He averaged 6.6 yards per carry rushing the ball, and 40 yards per game on the ground. During his 7 starting seasons he averaged 4.5 TDs per season on the ground.

Let's look at another QB who came into the league at the same time as Cunningham. Steve Young and Randall Cunningham were both drafted in 1985. Young retired in 1999, Cunningham in 2001, but both of them played 15 seasons. Since we're using the metric of 12 games started or more, Young also only had 7 seasons where he started 12 games or more.

Young threw for 166 tds during his 7 seasons (his one starting year in TB really drags his average down), however he only threw 70 INTs during that time. Young's completion percentage was 65% over that time. During Young's 7 seasons he had a QB rating of less than 100 only twice. One was his season as a starter in Tampa Bay and the other his rating was 97.2. Young made it to 7 Pro Bowls and was All Pro 3 times. Young had 3 seasons of 3500 yards or more, but those include two 4,000 yard seasons and a 3900 yard season. He missed out on 3500 yards by 35 yards on a 4th season.

Young averaged 5.7 yards per rush, and 4.4 tds per season. Young averaged just over 25 yards per game rushing during his 7 seasons.

Cunningham was a much worse passer than Steve Young was, and only a little better in the running game. So, to make a long story short--I don't think Cunningham deserves to even be in the conversation when it comes to the Hall of Fame.

The fact is that Randall Cunningham changed the game,

How so? He certainly wasn't the first athletic, running QB. He wasn't the first starting black QB either. Doug Williams actually won a SB. Warren Moon played 17 years in the NFL and only had 3 seasons where he didn't play at least 12 games. He was also a much better passer than Cunningham, and in my opinion he was far more instrumental in changing the game than Cunningham was.

spidermanjka2k · 1 day

I'm not sure either. Did he have a public defender? Maybe if he could show that the public defender was incompetent as a lawyer.

NotJayCutler · 1 day

The Manning brothers. For a long time it was Peyton Manning, but recently Eli Manning has become my favorite. He's not as funny as Peyton is, but I think he's tougher.

spidermanjka2k · 1 day

Wrongful imprisonment?

Software_Engineer · 1 day

Wasn't Williams mostly a backup, and only came in during the playoffs that year? I think that would have more to do with him not getting recognized than him being a black QB.

And Warren Moon hasn't been the only widely celebrated black QB. You've also got Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, and Michael Vick who have all been widely celebrated.

Bruce_G · 1 day

Rogers also apparently had his eyes fixed from when he was with the Redskins--at least that's the rumor around town.

Any defensive back will benefit a great deal from having a stacked front 7. When you've got the d-line and linebackers that the 49ers have you can take more risks and you'll end up looking much better.

Bruce_G · 1 day

Good point. New Orlean's WRs are incredibly frustrating to deal with in fantasy football because none of them are consistent producers.

Bruce_G · 1 day

It doesn't help that the Eagles basically went out on the street corner to find a defensive coordinator. I think he'll adjust and the Eagles defense will use him better. He's far too talented to continue having such a major slump.

Bruce_G · 1 day

I wouldn't call Welker a system player. He averaged about the same yards per catch in Miami that he has in New England. He's simply been targeted far more frequently in New England.

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