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How does one overcome the insight at Gen 1:1 stating a beginning for the... by philosophicin atheism

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The existance of a creator.

But that's from the Old Testament! by donttreadonmikein atheism

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You are correct that a direct account of Hebrew bondage in Egypt is only availabe from the scriptures. However, regarding other historical accounts previously found only in the bible, the book "Insight on the Scriptures" had this to say.

Archaeology has served to confirm many historical features of the Biblical account with regard to these lands and to substantiate points once held in question by modern critics. Skepticism as regards the Tower of Babel, denials of the existence of a Babylonian king named Belshazzar and of an Assyrian king named Sargon (whose names, up until the nineteenth century C.E., were not found in sources independent of the Bible record), and other adverse criticisms as to Bible data relating to these lands have all been demonstrated to be without foundation. Contrariwise, a wealth of evidence has been unearthed that harmonizes fully with the Scriptural account.

Regarding the Israelite dealings with Egypt and archaelogical support for the bible record the book states:

Egypt: The closest view given in the Bible of Egypt centers around Joseph’s entry there and the subsequent arrival and sojourn of the entire family of Jacob in that land. Archaeological finds show this picture to be an extremely accurate one, and one that could not reasonably have been thus presented by a writer living at a much later time (as some critics have tried to say was the case with the recorder of that portion of the Genesis account). As the book New Light on Hebrew Origins, by J. G. Duncan (1936, p. 174), states concerning the writer of the account about Joseph: “He employs the correct title in use and exactly as it was used at the period referred to, and, where there is no Hebrew equivalent, he simply adopts the Egyptian word and transliterates it into Hebrew.” The Egyptian names, the position of Joseph as Potiphar’s house manager, the prison houses, the titles “the chief of the cupbearers” and “the chief of the bakers,” the importance placed on dreams by the Egyptians, the practice of Egyptian bakers of carrying baskets of bread on their heads (Ge 40:1, 2, 16, 17), the position as prime minister and food administrator accorded Joseph by Pharaoh, the manner of inducting him into office, the Egyptian detestation of herders of sheep, the strong influence of magicians in the Egyptian court, the settling of the sojourning Israelites in the land of Goshen, the Egyptian burial practices—all these and many other points described in the Bible record are clearly substantiated by the archaeological evidence produced in Egypt.—Ge 39:1–47:27; 50:1-3.

At Karnak (ancient Thebes), on the Nile River, a vast Egyptian temple contains an inscription on its S wall confirming the campaign of Egyptian King Shishak (Sheshonk I) in Palestine, described at 1 Kings 14:25, 26 and 2 Chronicles 12:1-9. The giant relief depicting his victories shows 156 manacled Palestinian prisoners, each representing a city or village, the name of which is given in hieroglyphics. Among the names identifiable are those of Rabbith (Jos 19:20), Taanach, Beth-shean and Megiddo (where a portion of a stele or inscribed pillar of Shishak has been excavated) (Jos 17:11), Shunem (Jos 19:18), Rehob (Jos 19:28), Hapharaim (Jos 19:19), Gibeon (Jos 18:25), Beth-horon (Jos 21:22), Aijalon (Jos 21:24), Socoh (Jos 15:35), and Arad (Jos 12:14). He even lists the “Field of Abram” as one of his captures, the earliest reference to Abraham in Egyptian records. Also found in this area was a monument of Merneptah, son of Ramses II, containing a hymn in which the only occurrence of the name Israel in ancient Egyptian texts is to be found.

At Tell el-Amarna, about 270 km (170 mi) S of Cairo, a peasant woman accidentally discovered clay tablets that led to the uncovering of many documents in Akkadian from the royal archives of Amenhotep III and his son Akhenaton. The 379 published tablets comprise correspondence to Pharaoh from the vassal princes of the numerous city-kingdoms of Syria and Palestine, including some from the governor of Urusalim (Jerusalem), and reveal a picture of warring feuds and intrigue completely concordant with the Scriptural description of those times. The “Habiru,” about whom numerous complaints are made in these letters, have been related by some to the Hebrews, but the evidence indicates that they were, rather, diverse nomadic peoples occupying a low social status in the society of that period.—See HEBREW, I (The “Habiru”).

Elephantine, an island in the Nile to the extreme S of Egypt (near Aswan) bearing this Greek name, was the site of a Jewish colony following the fall of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E. A large number of documents written in Aramaic, mainly on papyrus, were found here in 1903, bearing dates from the fifth century B.C.E. and the reign of the Medo-Persian Empire. The documents make mention of Sanballat, the governor of Samaria.—Ne 4:1.

This information which is narrow in scope lends support that the scriptures are not a myth. It is also known that Egypt and other ancients had a habit of erasing unsavory information about themselves from thier historical record.

Regarding Gods purpose for the earth Solomon aptly states at Proverbs 20:20-22

20 The purpose is that you may walk in the way of good people and that the paths of the righteous ones you may keep. 21 For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. 22 As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.

Edit: sorry I dont think this info is on the web, though I could be wrong.

But that's from the Old Testament! by donttreadonmikein atheism

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How did the israelites become slaves in Egypt. This will help you understand that the term had a much different meaning than it does today. In ancient times it was common for people to sell themselves to pay a debt or obtain sustenance. There is alot more to understand than just a blanket statement about servitude.

Why is that too hard for an omnipotent god to just state, in the commandments?

God said do not murder. With what affect? Gods purpose will be worked out in time, but he is looking for those who want to serve him, not those who are commanded to serve him.

But that's from the Old Testament! by donttreadonmikein atheism

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Deut 23;15,16  “You must not hand over a slave to his master when he escapes from his master to you. 16 With you he will keep on dwelling in among you in whatever place he may choose in one of your cities, wherever he likes. You must not maltreat him.

How does one overcome the insight at Gen 1:1 stating a beginning for the... by philosophicin atheism

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A scientist's acceptance of a cosmology merely means he has no reason, at the time, to rule it out.

Good point. They ruled out the scripture for thousands of years only to find that it fits thier basic modern understanding.

I look at Genesis account as a basic explanation of mans existence; its not a science book.

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make predictions as to how future events will match the theorized mechanisms for those facts.

Theory: God created the universe; the universe had beginning ; the earth had a beginning; earthly life had a beginning.

Prediction: Scientific testing will bear out postulated theory.

Conclusion: Theory is correct.

Christianity Dying Faster Than Expected? by religionvirusin atheism

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It is not fiction if it is yet for the future. Infact world religion has already fallen as the hope for mankind but the judgement for her is not yet finished. Rev 18:1-24

How does one overcome the insight at Gen 1:1 stating a beginning for the... by philosophicin atheism

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If you are going to make factual claims then you need to have good evidence.

I think the evidence for a beginning of the heavens and the earth and a beginning for life on earth is based on pretty sound evidence. The thing that faithless people don't like is that it was told long before man presented the evidence.

Christianity Dying Faster Than Expected? by religionvirusin atheism

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Note that I did not use all caps. Therefore I am not shouting but am using bold to speak emphatically. Also it is not myth if it is yet for the future. Infact world religion has already fallen as the hope for mankind but the judgement for her is not yet finished. Rev 18:1-24

How does one overcome the insight at Gen 1:1 stating a beginning for the... by philosophicin atheism

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It seems like you are trying to fit a shoe on the wrong foot. No one (human) had observed a beginning for the heavens and the earth. No one had observed the arrival of life on a lifeless planet. There was no reason to suppose that things were any different than they were. The sun was there before anyone arrived. The heavens and the earth (by all appearances) always existed and life was in eternal renewal. In the face of this the Genesis account gives a basic description to an ancient people of how the world came to be, and that account has withstood the test of time against all contrary leanings.

Again I point out that science has down through the centuries (including ancieant times.) considered an infinite universe.

The earliest quantitative geocentric models were developed by the ancient Greeks, who proposed that the universe possesses infinite space and has existed eternally, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe]

read the first comment, watch the vid (sfw), the guy who wrote the comment is the atheist id most like to be. by anis9in atheism

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Gen 11:1-4

11 Now all the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words. 2 And it came about that in their journeying eastward they eventually discovered a valley plain in the land of Shi′nar, and they took up dwelling there. 3 And they began to say, each one to the other: “Come on! Let us make bricks and bake them with a burning process.” So brick served as stone for them, but bitumen served as mortar for them. 4 They now said: “Come on! Let us build ourselves a city and also a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a celebrated name for ourselves,

Christianity Dying Faster Than Expected? by religionvirusin atheism

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Rev 18:1 After these things I saw another angel descending from heaven, with great authority; and the earth was lighted up from his glory. 2 And he cried out with a strong voice, saying:** “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a lurking place of every unclean exhalation and a lurking place of every unclean and hated bird! 3 For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.”**

How does one overcome the insight at Gen 1:1 stating a beginning for the... by philosophicin atheism

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contrarily to science where an axion, a formula, a theorem mean exactly what they say and are not open to 'interpretation'.

Agreed.

The scripture is not a science book. But to say the universe had a beginning, that the heavens formed and then the earth and that the earth was a lifeless planet covered with liuquid water is a little better than vague.

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Though the sun was so much dimmer billions of years ago that the young Earth should have been literally freezing, the planet remained largely covered with liquid water. That was thanks to a substantially darker surface and a dearth of light-scattering clouds, a new study suggests.[http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/57810/title/Warmth_in_the_dark_age]

Stop twisting the evidence to try and force it to fit your thinking, it doesn't.

How does one overcome the insight at Gen 1:1 stating a beginning for the... by philosophicin atheism

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The authority (science) changed its view, which just happens to support Genesis 1:1,2. 'The universe had a beginning, the heavens appeared and then the earth, the earth was a lifeless void covered mostly by water.' I only make the point. Let the reader decide what it means. To some it means nothing and to others something more interesting is there.

This does not prove that the bible true.

No, but it does lend support to the opening verses.

How does one overcome the insight at Gen 1:1 stating a beginning for the... by philosophicin atheism

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The authority (science) changed its view, which just happens to support Genesis 1:1,2. 'The universe had a beginning, the heavens appeared and then the earth, the earth was a lifeless void covered mostly by water.' I only make the point. Let the reader decide what it means.

How does one overcome the insight at Gen 1:1 stating a beginning for the... by philosophicin atheism

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It would be, but in this case the authority is not relied on. Instead, the authority (science) changed its view, which just happens to support Genesis 1:1,2. ** 'The universe had a beginning, the heavens appeared and then the earth, the earth was a lifeless void covered mostly by water.'** I only make the point. Let the reader decide what it means. To some it means nothing and to others something more interesting is there.

How does one overcome the insight at Gen 1:1 stating a beginning for the... by philosophicin atheism

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I thought you were resting.

How does one overcome the insight at Gen 1:1 stating a beginning for the... by philosophicin atheism

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How many people visit this site daily? Don't they deserve a different view point some times?

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I only ask. How could ancient people know the universe had a beginning, that the heavens came into being before the earth, and that the earth was a formless wasteland prior to the existance of life on the planet.

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Outgassing and volcanic activity produced the primordial atmosphere of the Earth. Condensing water vapor, augmented by ice and liquid water delivered by asteroids and the larger proto-planets, comets, and trans-Neptunian objects produced the oceans.[29] The newly formed Sun was only 70% of its present luminosity, yet evidence shows that the early oceans remained liquid—a contradiction dubbed the faint young Sun paradox. A combination of greenhouse gases and higher levels of solar activity served to raise the Earth's surface temperature, preventing the oceans from freezing over. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth]

Check your facts.

How does one overcome the insight at Gen 1:1 stating a beginning for the... by philosophicin atheism

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By the way all creation myths postulate a beginning.

Specifically, which ones postulate a beginning for the heavens and the earth?

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This cosmology was accepted provisionally by Isaac Newton, Christiaan Huygens and later scientists,[58] although it had several paradoxes that were resolved only with the development of general relativity. The first of these was that it assumed that space and time were infinite, and that the stars in the universe had been burning forever; [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe]

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This cosmology was accepted provisionally by Isaac Newton, Christiaan Huygens and later scientists,[58] although it had several paradoxes that were resolved only with the development of general relativity. The first of these was that it assumed that space and time were infinite, and that the stars in the universe had been burning forever; [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe]

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Very good. But how much light do you think hits the surface of planets forming in dense cloud matter. Most if not all would be absorbed or diffused.

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