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The facts about the growth of spending under Obama - The Washington Post by breadworshipperin politics

[–]obvioustroll 2 points3 points ago

A year or so ago, I actually did up a spreadsheet on who actually spent what over the past 50 years and the results are actually what you'd expect. Spending grew least in the years when Congress was deadlocked, or when the Congress was opposed to the President.

Thus, the years when "Clinton balanced the budget" we see that Clinton was in the Whitehouse but the Republicans controlled Congress. Once Bush was in the Whitehouse, though, spending surged. Similarly, once the Dems took Congress back from the Republicans, spending growth slowed - then pretty much stopped once the Republicans controlled one house and the Dems controlled the other.

So, the upshot is that blaming Obama for a huge spending increase is pretty much bullshit - but it's also bullshit to give him credit for controlling spending - he didn't do that, the Tea Party did by making it impossible to get spending bills passed.

The facts about the growth of spending under Obama - The Washington Post by breadworshipperin politics

[–]obvioustroll 1 point2 points ago

a figure that is automatically skewed because of a shrinking GDP.

but which accurately reflects the growth of the debt.

his analysis is purely political.

Nonsense. As he pointed out the political spin is to (1) blame spending on the president, without looking at the party that actually controls Congress - because Congress is who controls spending - and (2) use gamed numbers instead of the actual estimates provided by the CBO.

The facts about the growth of spending under Obama - The Washington Post by breadworshipperin politics

[–]obvioustroll 2 points3 points ago

So damn lazy you can't even read the entire headline, eh?

WaPo's fact checker is hardly known for being a GOP supporter.

On the myth of Christian belief in a flat earth: read this, then add it to your list of "Articles to send to people who persist in repeating ignorant declarations about Christian History." by DivineMasterin Christianity

[–]obvioustroll 0 points1 point ago

ROTFL.

Weak, weak.

Pro-tip: If you want to start an argument, you have to say things that are actually relevant to what the other guy said. Going off in a random direction only works if you happen to pick a direction the other guy cares about.

It also helps if you remember things the guy actually said in the past. For example, I never claimed there were things that could only be proven using religion, so asking me for examples of this phenomena is mere mental masturbation.

On the myth of Christian belief in a flat earth: read this, then add it to your list of "Articles to send to people who persist in repeating ignorant declarations about Christian History." by DivineMasterin Christianity

[–]obvioustroll 0 points1 point ago

You act like truth is a weapon to use whenever convenient, but to be avoided if it works against your preferences.

On the myth of Christian belief in a flat earth: read this, then add it to your list of "Articles to send to people who persist in repeating ignorant declarations about Christian History." by DivineMasterin Christianity

[–]obvioustroll -1 points0 points ago

Damn. You really do love to cut and paste.

Nothing like intellectual laziness - but I guess you know all about that.

Did you notice I already replied to this comment?

Edit: Here's more: By posting this comment you undermined your own arguments: You've demonstrated that at least some Catholics supported Galileo's ideas.

As an Indian, I've always wondered why India is so damn populated. Why is the subcontinent full of people? by bobloblawblablain AskHistorians

[–]obvioustroll 0 points1 point ago

And having other things to do with your time besides screw.

On the myth of Christian belief in a flat earth: read this, then add it to your list of "Articles to send to people who persist in repeating ignorant declarations about Christian History." by DivineMasterin Christianity

[–]obvioustroll 1 point2 points ago

You really don't get it. We know what the evidence was. We also know that his math was wrong.

The most important part of a scientific theory is that it must be able to predict future phenomena. Galileo's theory failed, so he had no good evidence to back up his assertions.

Sheesh. I'm not even Catholic - but I know a bigot when I see one.

On the myth of Christian belief in a flat earth: read this, then add it to your list of "Articles to send to people who persist in repeating ignorant declarations about Christian History." by DivineMasterin Christianity

[–]obvioustroll 0 points1 point ago

Hoss, I've been a scientist and and an astronomer for nearly 50 years now. I don't need articles from the wayback machine to tell me things I already studied in the 1970s - particularly when I know that Galileo was, in fact, wrong.

The relevant point in all of this is that, like any other bigot, you've seized on a single incident that occurred half a millenia ago and you claim that everything "those people" do is exactly like that.

On the myth of Christian belief in a flat earth: read this, then add it to your list of "Articles to send to people who persist in repeating ignorant declarations about Christian History." by DivineMasterin Christianity

[–]obvioustroll 4 points5 points ago

I'm not talking about black holes. I'm talking about being unable to predict eclipses, the phases of the moon, the motion of Mars across Earth's sky.

Astronomers were able to use Ptolymy's theories predict where jupiter would be in the sky hundreds of years in advance - they couldn't do that with heliocentrism until Kepler figured out the source of the errors.

On the myth of Christian belief in a flat earth: read this, then add it to your list of "Articles to send to people who persist in repeating ignorant declarations about Christian History." by DivineMasterin Christianity

[–]obvioustroll 1 point2 points ago

If you can provide citations indicating that a significant percentage of Europeans thought the world was flat, I'd love to see them.

IBM banned employees from using Siri after it was revealed that Apple got a copy of everything you spoke to it by josefonsecain technology

[–]obvioustroll 0 points1 point ago

You didn't get past the first two words of my post, did you?

On the myth of Christian belief in a flat earth: read this, then add it to your list of "Articles to send to people who persist in repeating ignorant declarations about Christian History." by DivineMasterin Christianity

[–]obvioustroll 5 points6 points ago

Despite the way it's portrayed in modern literature, Galileo's view of the solar system did not match the observations made by astronomers and could not predict the future positions of the planets - but the geocentric models derived from the Ptolemaic system could.

It wasn't till Kepler realized the orbits were ellipses that heliocentrism was able to accurately predice planetary motions.

On the myth of Christian belief in a flat earth: read this, then add it to your list of "Articles to send to people who persist in repeating ignorant declarations about Christian History." by DivineMasterin Christianity

[–]obvioustroll 2 points3 points ago

The biggest problem with heliocentrism was that it was actually less accurate at predicting the positions of the planets than the Ptolemaic system.

It wasn't till Kepler realized the orbits were ellipses that heliocentrism was able to accurately predice planetary motions.

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