Maple Spring: 'Canada vs totalitarian govt crackdown'

JamieKlinger · 2012-05-25T22:25:30.820441+00:00

Russia Today is as bad as Sun News TV. Don't sully our eyes with that propaganda!

MechaBlue · 2012-05-25T22:14:57.230341+00:00

Soylent Clay is people.

Also, it is probably from China, so... wear gloves, lol.

ishmaeldaro · 2012-05-25T22:13:38.796391+00:00

No, all they would say, at first, is that it wasn't just about tuition, it was about debt.

It hasn't been until the last few weeks that they have been slowly changing their tune.

Poluticorn · 2012-05-25T22:08:19.915804+00:00

Skeezy Harper, at it again.

ishmaeldaro · 2012-05-25T22:06:34.904958+00:00

That is what the leaders of the original protest, the student union leaders, were touting. The surge in tuition and new debt load was too much.

will311 · 2012-05-25T22:05:26.534773+00:00

If you have it already, I would check out the Transport Canada website, and give them a call.

freedomfilm · 2012-05-25T22:02:18.522834+00:00

They should put a magnet in the holster, so even if it is unclipped, it can't just pop out.

ilikevodka · 2012-05-25T22:01:09.156689+00:00

I am betting the CBC came to them, I am also guessing that the CBC left out, intentionally, what kind of help they are specifically asking for.

Rack9 · 2012-05-25T21:59:18.922948+00:00

I single out Quebec because that is the point of this thread. Plus, PEI, NB, MB and NS don't have the same population as Quebec, they don't even come close when combined, they don't even hit half, less people is less revenue, which is what EP is based on.

Quebec has the 2nd largest population, and equalization payments are based on a combination of revenue from personal income tax, business income tax, 50% of consumption tax, natural resource revenue and property tax, and then compared to the national average.

Quebec also has a large natural resource capacity.

Something hinky is going on in Quebec.

Rack9 · 2012-05-25T21:58:47.409636+00:00

I know, they use the average provincial tax rate for each category, determine the total revenue, then compare that to the national average revenue from the national average tax rate.

Quebec has a large population, high overall tax rate, and a large natural resource capability. They shouldn't be a have-not province.

smacksaw · 2012-05-25T21:00:13.900039+00:00

Check out howardforums.com, maybe make a post there. You will probably get a better response.

Rack9 · 2012-05-25T20:58:08.904781+00:00

I support the idea of Federal auditors coming into Quebec and finding out wtf is going on such that they have the 2nd largest population in Canada, but still need a shit load of equalization payments, especially with all the higher rate taxes they take in.

Then I would base my decision on the outcome of that.

ilikevodka · 2012-05-25T20:54:52.807629+00:00

Because currently, anything related to the Canadian woman that died on Mt. Everest is news.

It could also be something like, in Nepal they require transported remains be cremated first. Who knows!

alwayschoosepeace · 2012-05-25T20:52:44.999409+00:00

The bill is still before Parliament, but it stalled at the 1st reading. Essentially it is dead, but technically it isn't.

That said, no they couldn't see it.

The snooping isn't live from the Police standpoint, it is data being logged by the ISPs, and they can't just randomly log the data of people. For the most part, they will need a warrant or production order. A P.O. is similar to a warrant, the difference being the ISP provides the data, instead of the police going in and getting it.

The warrantless/no production order part of it only pertains to situations where there isn't enough time to get one, emergency situations essentially.

I also believe that not just any cop, emergency aside, can use this service. Only specially designated officers will be able to do it.

Dystronia · 2012-05-25T20:39:10.412839+00:00

Call them up and tell them the website says something different. You might be able to get the cheaper fee.

ilikevodka · 2012-05-25T20:35:33.733733+00:00

You might be assuming that is what they are asking for, since money is bandied about in the article, but that isn't how I read it.

Dystronia · 2012-05-25T20:33:46.842052+00:00

Not what the website says.

ilikevodka · 2012-05-25T20:23:20.876328+00:00

Well, it doesn't say they are asking for monetary help from the Gov't, least of all from Foreign Affairs, and I doubt they are asking for it.

ilikevodka · 2012-05-25T20:22:26.847489+00:00

It doesn't say if they are asking for monetary help. From the article, it seems like they are asking for help in getting authority to transport human remains. Help with repatriation should be something the Gov't does.

Dystronia · 2012-05-25T20:21:19.293098+00:00

$209 refundable. $185 non-refundable.

ilikevodka · 2012-05-25T19:16:41.198552+00:00

From this article, it seems the family isn't asking for money from the Gov't. Just help in getting authority for repatriation, which I believe the Gov't should be obligated to do.

ilikevodka · 2012-05-25T19:12:10.218239+00:00

So if someone dies somewhere else in the world, the Gov't shouldn't help repatriate the body?

The family will likely pay the estimated $12,000 cost of bringing the body to Everest's Camp 2.

An insurance company will pay for a helicopter to move the body to Kathmandu, Nepal's capital, he said.

shanebeeme · 2012-05-25T19:08:12.954005+00:00

I don't think I have heard anything more hyperbolic from OpenMedia, than this.

ilikevodka · 2012-05-25T18:56:49.912929+00:00

It doesn't say what kind of assistance they need, it doesn't say anything about monetary assistance, just that they need assistance getting the body from Kathmandu to Toronto.

It is most likely assistance in getting authority to transport human remains, aka repatriation of human remains.

brokensys · 2012-05-25T18:55:25.803562+00:00

Well, the US has tortured people in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they have handed prisons over to be tortured (as have we), that is if you consider waterboarding to be torture (which I do), as well as many other things they have done, that alone is a violation of Part III of the 3rd Geneva Convention.

The issue when it comes to the ICC is whether or not these events were part of a policy or a "bigger picture", or if they were one off things. If they weren't policy or what not, than the ICC has no jurisdiction.

As for whether we violated our treaty obligations. It should be obvious that when someone commits something considered a war crime, that they should be arrested for doing so.

Which is where it gets sticky, do we arrest Bush and try him in Canada for committing a war crime, as per the GC, or do we wait for the ICC to determine if they have jurisdiction and there is enough evidence to determine a war crime has been committed.

I don't know the answer, and frankly, it is a bit over my head. Although, personally, I do think he should be in prison, or at least someone should be, over the torture that did and probably still is, going on, in the "War on Terror".

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