In response to the recent r/Atheism posts that keep showing up in r/all

joetheschmoe4000 · 2012-05-24T06:52:33.644498+00:00

What evidence? Has this evidence gone through proper testing? Does this evidence have any published peer reviewed papers on it?

there is a difference between belief and fact.

be·lieve/biˈlēv/ Verb:
Accept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of: "the superintendent believed Lancaster's story". Accept the statement of (someone) as true.

Truth Adjective In accordance with fact or reality: "a true story"; "of course it's true".

According to definition there is very little difference between belief and fact.

I believe in God whilst simultaneously acknowledging that I may be wrong.

That is the basis of a theory. A hypothesis backed up by evidence. Theories may or may not be correct due to incomplete data. Your belief in God is not a theory due to the lack of testing and evidence. The existence of a god has not gone through and produced evidence using the scientific theory.

So I ask again, what evidence do you have that a god exists and what tests have been done to prove this evidence? If you can't answer that then you are believing a hypothesis to be true, which goes against the foundations scientific method.

Get over yourself.

How about you admit to not holding the scientific method to the highest degree.

joetheschmoe4000 · 2012-05-24T05:47:30.814458+00:00

If you eat meat then you can't call yourself a vegetarian.

If you hold the scientific method to the highest degree and are a scientist, like you claim, then why do you believe in something without evidence?

joetheschmoe4000 · 2012-05-24T05:27:42.457313+00:00

Then you are not holding the scientific method to the highest degree.

joetheschmoe4000 · 2012-05-24T03:43:55.717516+00:00

Well, if you held the scientific method to the highest degree then you wouldn't believe in a god and therefor would be an atheist.

hailcheese · 2012-05-24T02:54:18.758563+00:00

You're just a blind fanboy.

Why would Blizzard keep letting people getting hacked and have there support department bombarded with complaints?

The same reason why sony said nothing was wrong for days after the PSN hack. It's called PR and damage control, except this time no one is having their credit card numbers stolen and therefor there is no legal reason to out themselves.

People are stupid and they went to shady websites relating to Diablo 3 before Diablo 3 launched and then when it launched the people compiled the data for a few days and then hacked the accounts.

So people went to shady websites, put in their account information, give them the serial numbers of their authenticators? Hell, I have a smart phone authenticator and my WoW account was hacked somehow almost a year after quitting.

Where is Bashioks proof that this woman is simply lying?

hailcheese · 2012-05-24T00:43:09.259202+00:00

Oh, yeah? That's now what people are reporting

This article?

As pointed out on Monday, Diablo 3 players are reporting hacks on both sides of the authenticator fence. They have also been able to watch the hacking take place in real time while taking screenshots in the process. Even Examiner journalist Tara Swadley saw her gold and character items drained after using a Battle.net authenticator.

Here are first hand experiences people with authenticators are having.

Looks like Blizzard is simple trying to cover their asses and not acknowledge a serious problem.

hailcheese · 2012-05-24T00:31:52.006823+00:00

It allows the hacker to copy and use someones unique online ID (that is given to anyone you play with). This ID just says that you are you and if hackers get it then they can act like they are you and can gain access to your character. This bypasses the authenticator, making it useless in stopping hackers.

hailcheese · 2012-05-24T00:19:22.034372+00:00

If you don't know what the issue is then please don't comment.

First of all always online doesn't stop cheaters either. Duping and other exploits have existed in WoW since the beginning and with every new patch a new method is found, D3 is no different.

Secondly, even accounts with authenticators are being hacked due to the nature of the exploit the hackers are using. The OP and everyone else being hacked could not prevent this no matter what account security method they chose.

mehgandavid · 1 day

Except WoW is a MMORPG which is always online... exactly like how D3 is. I am not saying D3 is a MMORPG but it is always online. The client file doesn't hold all the information necessary for you to host a server thus you must reverse engineer which is very hard... aka WoW private servers can't guarantee 100%.

Except they have already done this with the D3 beta a long time ago. WoW private servers are not the same thing as a server emulator.

Yea there are going to be problems with that but that's online gaming for you.

Except this also is applied for single player in Diablo 3. Diablo 3 is a coop game at best, and with coop games this shit should not be happening.

Well one, it made me pretty happy so there you go. Not to mention people that are actively complaining are doing that. People who are happy are busy playing.

Can you elaborate on how being always online made you enjoy the product more? I highly doubt you are.

To you maybe. Achievements make the game even more fun and the AH is very useful.

How does a little notification that you did something make the game more fun? Achievements add nothing to the game. And how is the AH useful? It's just there so that you have an excuse not the play the game. What's the point of playing a game that has a huge replay value in gear grinding when you can just buy better gear on the AH?

Hasn't happened to me since Friday.

And this is what we call anecdotal evidence, since it hasn't happened to you then it must not be a problem, right? Go type "err" into google and see what you get as the first auto-correct.

there was even a huge post on /r/diablo3 a while back with posts from people complaining about D2 servers being laggy when it first launched.

Diablo 2 wasn't always online, it had perfectly working offline and lan that didn't require blizzard servers. This allowed people to play the game completely fine at launch.

Welcome to capitalism? Blizzard isn't going to give you an expansion for free. It was never like this.

Yeah, cause Blizzard doesn't allow modding in their previous games that allows an unimaginable amount of DLC from the community completely for free and doesn't constantly pump out new maps for competitive multiplayer for free...

The amount of people enjoying it online begs to differ. Just because you aren't personally enjoying it doesn't mean everyone else isn't. Look at the active number of players online. That's the best stat we can go by.

How is that the best stat? That only shows the number of people tolerating it, it doesn't mean that they are enjoying the 200ms latency in their single player game.

The truth is most people play the game online

The truth is that they absolutely have no choice at all, if they did then the majority wouldn't be playing online. A large portion would be playing it as a single player game, and another large portion would be using the LAN mode to run their own private servers. That's exactly how D2 was, most people weren't playing online.

always online isn't a 100% foolproof plan to stop hacks and exploits, it's a pretty good step toward it.

No, it's not, it's a step backwards. It's a coop game, who gives a shit if other people cheat in their own personal game? How does it effect your game or your character? Are you being forced to play with or against hackers? Hell, this always online has actually done nothing but expose more people to being hacked and having their characters stripped of everything, even if they were playing alone.

Just because you and a small niche group of players only play single player doesn't mean Blizzard should drop its entire game design just to cater to you.

It's not small, in fact is a very large portion of players who are playing the game as a single player. Drop entire game design? What game design? The only thing that remotely depends on always online is the auction house. Nothing else in the game relies on always online. They are not making most people happy with being always online, it hasn't made anyone more satisfied with the game.

Oh yeah, in case you didn't know, Blizzard is a company. It makes video games because it makes money. It just happens to think that making good video games means more money so they do that.

Except it isn't a better game. They pretty much stripped the RP of ARPG out of the game. Adding lag in single player isn't better. Having people have their accounts up for hacking isn't better.

I am not saying only playing single player is somehow wrong, but that type of play style was never the central focus of Diablo. Sure always online brings in its own share of problems, but I rather have Blizzard try to stop exploits and dupes (D2 was completely ruined by this by the way).

And how was D2 ruined? How did someone using a dupes and hack ruin YOUR game? Diablo is a coop game, you can choose who to play with and who not to play with. Someone else playing around with their hero file does nothing to effect your game.

People are getting their accounts hacked, do you understand this? People are having their accounts stolen and being stripped of all progress. How is this better than having some hack their single-player/coop experience?

Always online has done thing to improve the experience. It has done nothing but harm the game.

beec23 · 1 day

What? Canada is 77.1% christian and 16.2% unaffiliated, USA is 78.4% Christian and 16.1% unaffiliated. Why would you love Canada for having almost the same religious demographic as the United States?

mehgandavid · 1 day

Look at WoW private servers. None of them are 100%... a few have gotten close. This is what always online brings for D3.

Except always online multiplayer servers are much different than a server emulator.

just play together online. Nothing is stopping you.

Actually there is plenty of things stopping you. Servers are down, servers are full, and constant lag, these 3 things stop you directly from playing the game.

The achievement system and the AH are also integrated into BNet. I cannot imagine how it would work without always online.

Oh. I don't know, maybe not work at all? Achievements don't mean a damn thing and the auction house is useless.

I am not saying this is a perfect solution, but it sure made most people happy.

No, it has not. Always online has not made any customer happy, the only people happy about this is Blizzard. Always online has actually gotten people who play the game as a single player to have their accounts hacked. People get disconnected and lose items and progress, or can't help having a bad connection and lag every 10 seconds making it unplayable. Pretty sure they aren't happy about this.

almost all Blizzard games have this issue on launch (yes, including D2)

No, it did not. D2 was allowed to be played offline with friends in LAN mode, people who did that had near perfect connections, and was able to play as soon as they installed the game. They didn't have to wait a week or longer for Blizzard to sort their shit out before playing the game.

So far it feels like D2C improved and I am sure Blizzard will add more content and items either through patches and expansions.

Of course they will and it won't be for free. They want maximum profit from their shitty auction house.

but that's how D2C launch was like.

But it wasn't.

we'll see how D3 fares in a year.

It's been barely a week and there are already reports of hacking and other exploits. Even excusing the online bullshit it's still faring pretty damn terrible.

CannibalShinobi · 2 days

No, they are selling their songs directly on the internet without having to rely of a publisher to get their CD in every store. Making money now as a musician has never been easier.

bnghle234 · 2 days

Oh yes, homeless people prefer to starve, to be cold and wet at night sleeping on a park bench, who have to be careful not to catch anything that would leave anyone else bed ridden for a few days, who have to watch their back all the time just in case there is someone else who wants that raggedy coat more than them.

Yeah, sure buddy, you keep thinking that.

mehgandavid · 2 days

Most people? Where is you data on this? over 4 million copies of Diablo 2 were sold and I very much doubt that over 2 million of them were on battlenet regularly. In fact, I am willing to bet that the majority used LAN mode more than battlenet.

Oh and great job Blizzard on stopping hacking, people who played the game alone are getting their authentication using accounts hacked and having all their items stolen. Of course having a built in money auction house that encourages hacking with monetary gains didn't help in this one bit.

They haven't permanently fixed duping and hacking in WoW, what in the world makes you think that D3 will be any different? Always online or not there will always be people hacking and people always finding exploits.

bnghle234 · 2 days

Sending a muderer to prison is acting to protect society. Killing him does nothing more to protect society.

Except now he will have more than a lot of law abiding homeless citizens. Free health care, free food, free water and free shelter.

mehgandavid · 2 days

starting to drop =/= doomed

learn2comprehend

mehgandavid · 2 days

Yeah, so innovative that they haven't put out a new IP since 1998. They actually made battlenet worst, have introduced intrusive DRM, and when it comes to Warcraft and Diablo they have made the games more simple to appeal to a more casual audience. What great innovation have they made in the last 5 years?

mehgandavid · 2 days

Except diablo 2 can be played offline and allowed mods.

fuzzyferret · 2 days

Are you serious?

No, that was a joke.

maxwood · 2 days

Not necessarily. There are plenty of places that will sell an HDD full of 360 games. Or you can buy the DVDs for like $2 each.

And that is simply more and more costs added to it, and even then PC pirating is no different. You can do both those things with PC games.

mehgandavid · 2 days

If Diablo 3 is a sign of the times it looks like PC gaming is starting to go backwards.

fuzzyferret · 3 days

And you don't fuck with humans. We're social animals, if you eat one of ours then we are going to find you and kill you. The alligator should have thought twice before attacking a human, we didn't get to the top of the food chain by being nice to our fellow animals.

maxwood · 3 days

True, but you run extra risks of getting viruses. Wasting time DL a crappy copy full of problems, or DL a fake file.

All those are true for pirating Xbox games as well. You still have to get them from torrents and have to be sure that they are the files you need to burn.

Well I meant costing more as in taking far more risks of something going wrong. But with actual currency the extra price comes with buying DVDs to burn games onto. DVD9 dual layers are pretty cheap, but there lies a barrier that stops a lot of teens from pirating Xbox games. And then not every burn is going to work properly, such as bad files or the burner had hiccup, and then it's a complete waste of the disc.

maxwood · 3 days

Pirating on PC costs nothing extra, you don't have to trust in some stranger with your hardware, you don't void any warranty, and you don't have to take the risk of being banned from using the internet.

Modding a console costs more than just the up front $10-30 for someone to flash your dvd drive.

frenchy612 · 3 days

What? That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the validity of the quote in question. You need to step outside and get some fresh air.

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