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[–]ViniTheHat 19 points20 points ago

his mirror parents got him mirror genetic mirror therapy and made him hyper mirror intelligent.

mirror.

edit: mirror is a weird word.

[–]DrJulianBashir 5 points6 points ago

You may be beginning to experience semantic satiation.

[–]ViniTheHat 3 points4 points ago

mirror. mirr... or....

[–]Follow_Follow 0 points1 point ago

It should be mirrom.

[–]Numlocks 13 points14 points ago

Is this a serious question? Ok I'll give it a shot. In the episode "Doctor Bashir, I Presume" when Bashir is confronting his parents about putting him through genetic enhancement he says that he was a slow child but his parents never game him a chance to grow and develop.

We don't know that Bashir wouldn't have turned out completely normal and fully functional member of society. Mirror Universe Bashir could be proof of just that. He's no super genius just a normal everyday freedom fighter.

[–]BrosephineBaker 4 points5 points ago

I would like to add that Mirror Bashir was pretty hot-tempered and had horrible hair.

[–]daskoon 1 point2 points ago

retarded hair

[–]Chairboy 4 points5 points ago

That is an intriguing and persuasive argument. I dig it.

I have a bigger problem with the Mirror Universe in general, like how would so many of the same people be born at all considering the historical divergences? Shoot, if you changed something in time so your parents had the sex that would have conceived you a minute later or earlier than originally happend, you would likely be the result of a different combination of spermatoza and ova. Well, I guess the ova would be the same, but which of the hundred million swimmers would make the connection? Every microsecond of difference between the Prime timeline and the Mirror results in completely different egg fertilizations in the womb, changing EVERYBODY.

So I like 'In a Mirror, Darkly' for what it is, but I have to turn off the part of my brain that understands biology, statistics, and science in general.

[–]Numlocks 2 points3 points ago

It's an alternate universe one of possibly an infinite number of alternate realities. I dont think it's unreasonable to say that there can be an "opposite" version of one universe out there somewhere like the mirror universe.

[–]Esepherence 3 points4 points ago

This comes from reading The Wheel of Time:

I think the alternate universe is not one of those "infinite choices" universes. I think it is an echo universe. The true universe is a guide to the mirror universe constantly exerting it's will on it's darker sibling.

It explains why Evil Sisko and Jennifer split apart promptly after Holy Sisko lost Jennifer to the Borg.

[–]Chairboy 1 point2 points ago

Ah! I like it. It doesn't explain how big changes (like the fall of the Terran Empire) diverge from the Primeline, but then again, maybe there's some sort of 'individual-based drag' where certain interactions and reality inertia make things happen in the mirror universe because of the events in the Primeline?

[–]marsmedia 0 points1 point ago

This is absolutely the prevailing theory. The key is in the name: Mirror.
This is not some alternate world. This is a dark, mirror-image of the regular Trek Universe. In fact, it could even be a tool used by the Q. The mirrored universe is so directly tied to Kirk, Sisko, Archer (Picard in a book) it is consistent with Q's fascination with Starfleet commanders.

[–]I_CATS[S] -1 points0 points ago

But how about Jake then? He never existed in the Mirror-universe. Your theory doesn't work with that.

[–]Esepherence 2 points3 points ago

You don't know the WHOLE truth. Maybe Jennifer got pregnant when they were still young and gave him up for adoption? I mean these are Hollywood writers, they'd come up with something if needed.

[–]robert99a 1 point2 points ago

I think that the one parallel universe that is visited a few times in TOS, DS9 and ENT is a special one that somehow interacts closely with the "prime" universe, which makes most of the characters but not all of them appear in both universes. I don't think it was ever addressed as to why this happens.

[–]BrosephineBaker 0 points1 point ago

In all fairness, Jake Sisko was never born in that universe.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

So within multiple universe logic there is a theory, that the universe prefers things to remain the same.

So, yes, every movement of every sub atomic quark leads to every other possible outcome of every situation, but if you shove a technological wrench in the machine and shunt yourself sideways in probability a bit, you're going to end up in a universe that's as similar to your own as the universe can manage despite your meddling. This is why, despite the incredible odds, they end up in universes that darkly reflect the "prime" universe as closely as possible.

Theoretically, they could find a universe where Bajor was completely annilhated by cardassian shock troops, or the alternate universe where after the bajorans threw off cardassian oppression they became strongly militaristic and were antagonizing the federation, and they could find a universe where terok nor is populated by slug people and none of them were ever born. Maybe they could even find a universe where instead of humans a race like the sheliak evolved on earth, it's not just crazy luck though, it's because the universe abhores an abnormality that when they shift over they end up in a similar world.

Think of it like a branching tree, you've got your trunk before Kirk's (or Jonathan's) incursions, then you've got main branches, then you've got an infinite number of smaller branches, in most of which you're correct and the later series characters like Picard, and the DS9 bunch don't exist, but we happen to see the one branch where they do.

[–]Chairboy 0 points1 point ago

Right, but in DS9 they're interacting with THE mirror universe of Mirror, Mirror. They explicitly talk about how Mirror-Spock changed the course of the Terran Empire.

If they were going to 'fresh' alternate universes, your theory would totally hold up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago*

http://i.imgur.com/WdFEd.png

It's always splitting and changing and being different, and whenever someone crosses over they cross over into the current version that is most like their own.

So say the Worf who originated the universe from tng "parallels" ends up on DS9, if he were to cross over, it would be into a mirror universe that more closely resembles his reality.

It's "the same" universe because the prior events all took place, but the quantum realities are always in flux and you always end up in the "mirror universe" most closely resembling your prime universe.

**before I get called out on the term "Archer's incursion" I mean the Tholian incursion of the 23rd century constitution class USS- Defiant.

[–]gerusz 0 points1 point ago

According to the MWI if there is a non-zero probability of something occurring, it will occur in a parallel universe. Now the probability of the same people being born, while infinitesimal, is non-zero. So there could exist a mirror universe with the same people but different history. Both the TOS and the DS9 crews were "lucky" enough to cross-over to a mirror universe with the same people as theirs.

Obviously the DS9 people crossed over to a sub-branch of the multiverse that was branched from the branch created in the TOS-crossover (which, in turn, was branched when the TOS Defiant found its way to 2154(?) mirror universe), but since there was a non-zero probability for the events of that universe to go down as they did, it is possible.

[–]BasicEcon101 0 points1 point ago

I agree, you can be pretty dumb, like IQ 70 which is the border for mental retardation, and still pass as an Independent grown adult in society.

[–]AmoDman 2 points3 points ago

What if our Bashir was a little slow (but got genetic enhancements) while mirror Bashir was a little quick (with no genetic enhancements)?

[–]black_and_oily 6 points7 points ago

He was genetically engineered for use as Gul Garak's concubine and I have the fanfiction to prove it.

[–]heymrk 0 points1 point ago

Needless to say, he was not the fairest of them all.

[–]MikeTheSpike -2 points-1 points ago

That's what you question about the mirror universe? How about... why do any of these characters exist to begin with? In a completely different universe with a completely different history, somehow the same people mate and the exact same sperm fertilize the exact same eggs and produce the exact same people? You should wonder why Bashir exists at all.