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All Starcraft has done for me is make me realize how fucking stupid I am (self.starcraft)
submitted 4 months ago* by sciithrowaway
Front paged too long.
Thanks for all the replies.
[–]egil87 2177 points2178 points2179 points 4 months ago*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H0JDomv8ac#t=30s <- some inspirational music. While studying psychology I worked as a therapist (yes we like starcraft too) and I had guests just like you. I don't like to tell them that they are weak, spoiled or take things for granted. Perhaps they do, perhaps they dont. There are a lot of issues that plauge them, but there is one thing they all have in common; Regret. Thinking about the past is one of the easiest ways to bring yourself down, because it is always the horrible stuff we remember the most(stupid brain). I used to work part time in a kindergarten, and one of the most valueable lessons I found was the total bliss and lust for life that small children have. THAT is what I taught my clients; To take back their lust for life, not by forcing themselves to live up to other rolemodels, but to look forward to their own adventure. You are not Day9, you are not HuK, you are not IdrA. You will never be. And thats an amazing thought! You are your own master, and you can walk down any road you like! Ask yourself: "What keeps me from doing exacly what I want to?" The most likely answer is: "Myself." What you have done in the past will only hurt you if you do it again. Make sure to tell yourself what you will never do again, and then tell yourself what you WILL do. Form your resolve, but base it upon your own courage and independence. Be honest with both yourself and those you love.
Don't try to live up to others, but make your own adventure. Regret is only good for telling yourself what you will never do again. Once you know which things you will never do again, regret turns into wisdom, and wisdom builds character.
[–]Dudevico 585 points586 points587 points 4 months ago
Regret is only good for telling yourself what you will never do again. Once you know which things you will never do again, regret turns into wisdom, and wisdom builds character.
Wow. This is probably one of the most inspirational/wise things I've ever seen posted on reddit. New personal motto aquired. A sincere thank you!
[–]Tehfatzor 36 points37 points38 points 4 months ago
This is single-handedly the best statement on regret I have ever heard. I have some struggling friends who I think this will help a lot. Thanks egil87!
[–]lord_khadow 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago
This needs to be some sort of motivational poster!
[–]Vicious_Seraph 48 points49 points50 points 4 months ago
That exactly, thank you kind sage. I'll also leave behind this from a Supervisor at an old job. "Excuses are the bricks that build the house of Failure."
[–]mulletarian 207 points208 points209 points 4 months ago
Ironically, failures are the bricks that build the house of success.
[–]ohmylemons 39 points40 points41 points 4 months ago
I think there's a big difference between Failure and failures!
[–]carpeDeezNuts 20 points21 points22 points 4 months ago
If you fall 10 times, you get up 9 and keep going.
If you fall 100 times, I think you may have just broken your back.
[–]HiLoPicoLo 18 points19 points20 points 4 months ago
I thought it was fall 9 times get up 10?
[–]dumdumb 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago
But that's unpossible!
[–]CVN72 11 points12 points13 points 4 months ago
IMPOSSIBRU!!!
[–]Beeip 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Me failed English?
[–]bluehands 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
unpossible!
[–]Millze 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
if you fall ten times and get up nine you're still on the ground after the tenth fall. if you fall nine times you cannot get up a tenth time without falling again. It's a stupid saying if you say it the right way, that's why people always mix it up. TL;DR Fall ten times , get up ten times doesn't have the same ring to it
[–]mindokiller 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
I fell once and ended up with a broken back. You can fuck right off with that kind of talk.
[–]DrSmoke 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
If you've fallen 10,000 times, you're a black belt. That is what we used to say.
[–]DrDuPont 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
Hm... I believe I understand what you're trying to get at here, but could you possible expand on this?
[–]freeland4all 21 points22 points23 points 4 months ago*
"Failures" are what happen when we focus on material gains instead of our own spiritual and emotional wellbeing. It's the mind saying, "I didn't get what I want."
A "failure" is what we think we are when we cannot materialize all of the possessions we want. It's the mind saying "I am only valuable if I can live up to this image in my head."
A person who feels successful can still say "I have had failures; I have experienced frustration of tangible goals because there were points in my life when I didn't focus on the right things. But I am not 'a failure,' because now I value fulfilling things and I have faith in my ability to contribute to a wonderful future."
We can learn to let go of feelings of regret and failure if we recognize that we learned what we needed from all past situations. Wisdom comes in learning to value different things - like passionate and honest self-expression.
Happiness comes in saying "I am what I am. I cannot change my fundamental characteristics, but I can shape my future by forging ahead on my own unique path. It doesn't matter what they think. I'm superfly! And eventually I will surround myself with people who see that too."
[–]Manitcor 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Building something, anything and being honest with yourself and others about it, if/when it fails ultimatly you can use that to build upon for your future.
Building something based on excuses and dodging (sticking your head in the sand when things need to be addressed) what's really important to you and others will not only fail but leaves you with little left to learn from but perhaps maybe not making so many excuses in the future for yourself and others.
[–]Debater 14 points15 points16 points 4 months ago
Made a wallpaper with it. Came out pretty good. http://i.imgur.com/82vb8.jpg (1080p)
[–]doodeoo 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
Obligatory dog picture?
[–][deleted] 4 months ago
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[–]mindokiller 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Note to self: Don't read inspirational /r/sc posts at work
[–]lion_in_a_coma 32 points33 points34 points 4 months ago
Fuck yea! Who is cutting onions in here?!
[–]blulitespecial 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
It's just raining on my face!
[–]lion_in_a_coma 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I'm making a lasagna.... for one.
[–]brute_force 12 points13 points14 points 4 months ago
Im going to hijack the top comment for a few reasons, i was the same way in HS, didnt give a hoot, but since i was a kid, i never learened to give effort, so i dont know what its like to work for a passion. I got by in HS without doing a single homework for the most part with a pretty shitty GPA, then went to a local college and did piss poor for two whole years because i have no study habbits. In fact, i started this semester in a new leaf ( hopefully) and ive been teaching myself to work for longer times, so pick A goal ( doesnt matter how broad, just A goal) and say to yourself, does this help x goal, its what ive been doing, hope this helps. you must remember, day9s thing happened over the course of 10 years. he can condense it greatly. just pick something and stick with it, start little, and add more time each time. TLDR practice anything little by little
[–]AAlsmadi1 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago
Me and you are in the same situation in life. I did the exact same thing and am suffering from.the exact same problems. I'm striving to be a chemist even though my high-school career is dog shit (got in so many fights, expelled from so many schools, got a GED and am in jr college looking to transfer) I see how weak I am when it comes to studying, my habits and techniques are so low level because I study so rarely... I've retaken 4 classes in college and failed one on purpose last semester, I just sat in the back and fucked around playing all the humble bundle games...
This is the type of shit I do to myself that makes it feel like a downward spiral.
[–]tetraDROP 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Im in the same boat, but trust me it only continues if you tell yourself theres no where to go but down. Fortunately for me i have recently broke out of my horrible habits of not doing shit by following a solid routine, something i had always known was the solution but was never able to fully commit myself and thats just what it takes. Im still in for a very uphill climb though, to fix my mistakes and this can be abit overwhelming at times but i know i gotta keep pushing forward until i become the person i aspire to be. Dont lose hope my friends.
[–]mikeabrahamsen 51 points52 points53 points 4 months ago
I recommend playing the youtube video in the background while reading this comment.
[–]OutlaW32 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
inspiration.
[–]SaikoGekido 115 points116 points117 points 4 months ago
Thank you for this. I'm two years older than the OP, but his story is almost a mirror of mine. Except, I think too critically about everything. I imagine the repercussions of every individual action, and then the repercussions of those repercussions, and so forth, often ending in an anxiety dead lock or self fulfilled prophecy. The last time I had my life in order, I became mortified on a level only an H.P. Lovecraft character could express of sliding back down into an abyss of failure, that I tried to commit suicide on a high note, similar to the story of the Buddhist Godhika. That failed, because I sent a message to my girlfriend to explain the situation. Lost my job, my girlfriend, my car, several friends, and I'm still feeling the repercussions.
Regrets are something I think OP and I both spontaneously think about. All it takes is a moments glance at a brunette wearing glasses to make me double take to check if they're my ex. Listening to old music, hanging out at familiar places, finding classroom notes and drawings, and all the other little things are full of regrets and memories. Your advice is wise, but it's hard to follow alone.
I can only add that how I pulled myself out of the depression that led to my high point before the suicide attempt was by taking the most potent past regret, one over an ex from high school, and turning it into spite. I was going to accomplish everything she dreamed of, and that spite fueled me for months, until she sent me a spontaneous text, one night. I think spite worked, because it was such a strong emotion to cancel out the depressing emotion's original connected to the regrets. However, I lost my spite when she texted me. Without that counter balance, I began to fall backwards.
I believe we can learn from regrets, but to overcome them, we must replace the regret with an equally powerful emotion.
[–]Nithrer 63 points64 points65 points 4 months ago
Aaand this is why i fucking love the internet. SaikoGekido, if it wasn't for this incredible thing that is the interwebs, i could have never EVER heard your story. I love you, seriously, on the most fundamental level of love, the one that is towards fellow human beings. I. Love. You.
[–]SaikoGekido 19 points20 points21 points 4 months ago
I wasn't sure how to respond to this, but I want you to know that you, and everyone that upvoted you, really brightened up my day. I love you, too :)
[–]tetraDROP 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
The internet makes it all possible but the real tool here is reddit my friends :) Keep working to move forward and become the person you want to be.
[–]Ehlmaris 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago*
Sounds like general anxiety disorder to me. But then again, I'm no professional, just someone diagnosed with the same thing for very much the same reasons - trying to imagine every possible outcome of every action in an attempt to always pick the best option. In small doses, it's a very good thing! Every second of every day, not so much.
EDIT: egil87 is my new Reddit-hero. Thanks for the inspiration.
[–]Dumey 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
This is a form of sublimation. You're not alone. :D
[–]CowboyDustin 11 points12 points13 points 4 months ago
Too. Deep.
[–]zmansman17 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I'm touched by this. Thank you.
[–]matt1va 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
This sounds like a fantastic novel. You should write it!
[–]EGiNcontroL 213 points214 points215 points 4 months ago
amazing post :) ty for this.. hope everyone reads it.
[–]Alsoghieri 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago
Shit, I just read it because you endorsed it... fame-based decision-making bad, outcome good.
[–]madwill 62 points63 points64 points 4 months ago
A few weeks ago around here i've found a quote by Oscar Wilde saying:
Be yourself, Everyone else is already taken.
[–]erez27 20 points21 points22 points 4 months ago
Mark Twain
[–]LordTim 13 points14 points15 points 4 months ago
Ron Paul
Tupac
[–]kevin1608 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
Flava Flav
[–]Influenz-A 14 points15 points16 points 4 months ago
Hey sorry to ask you something like this in a starcraft subreddit..
I have exactly that issue, I always live a few years in the past and try to make up for stuff I should have done while in school, but at the same time I don't do the stuff I wanted to do in University and I am afraid that I keep living like 3 years in the past..
But I don't really have a goal to work to.. I am trying to figure it out, but I often have the feeling like I am in a boat on the ocean without a clou where to go to...
Like I follow a path I don't reeeaally want, but at the same time I don't know where to go, so I just keep following that same path..
And I see all my friends moving on, finding their goal in life and I feel incredible lost..
Is that normal? How do I find out where to go? What I want?
Again, sorry for the unrelated rant, I just wanted to ask this for the longest time..
[–]egil87 20 points21 points22 points 4 months ago
Finding your path in life is not easy. Perhaps you are too reluctant to try new experiences? Ask those around you, the ones who know you in and out, what they think you should be. They might see potential in you that you have not yet discovered.
[–]Influenz-A 8 points9 points10 points 4 months ago
Thanks for your time, I'll ask around.. next year I'll go abroad for a year, maybe that is good to get out of my comfort zone..
Again, thank you, I just really needed to type that out.. =)
[–]BinoChrist 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
If you don't know where you're going in life, then any path will take you there..
[–]koko775775 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
Are you me? What kind of magic is at it's work in this thread?
[–]andthentherewasderp 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago
"I never wanted to be the next Bruce lee. I wanted to be the next Jackie chan."
Be yourself, bro.
[–]log1k 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
I read this in Optimus primes voice... that was 100x more epic than I thought it would be.
[–]zKasper 31 points32 points33 points 4 months ago
This: http://imgur.com/xV5c6 Is now my screensaver. You are a wise man :)
[–]shif 14 points15 points16 points 4 months ago
made this for you =P http://imgur.com/ptIfF its 1920 x 1080 so it should resize properly
[–]darktka 14 points15 points16 points 4 months ago
Hey, a colleague who likes starcraft!
[–]sputty 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
Comrades, unite!
[–]lowercasepeople49 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
Did anyone else read this in Optimus Prime's voice?
[–]TommyShambles 18 points19 points20 points 4 months ago
TL;DR: TL;DR: Never give up! Never surrender!
[–]piuch 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago*
But because I know that I missed the chance to do what I will now never be able to do again, I can't stop regretting that I didn't do it, even though I know that I will never be able to do it again.
edit, crossposting from /r/bestof thread to expand on this comment: What your comment doesn't explain is how you get to that point where you actually stop regretting. Although completely irrational, there are things I regret not doing and that left a void in my heart/life/wherever that I feel could only be filled by actually not having missed that exact thing at that point in my past, and it feels like that can't be replaced by anything in the future. Simply because it won't ever be what the thing I missed would have been like, had I not missed it. Not sure if that makes any sense at all, actually. I know it's a completely irrational feeling, but it's still there.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
You should watch this TED talk, if you have not already.
[–]TraceyMmm 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
I needed - NEEDED - to read this today. You may have saved my relationship. You may have saved me.
Thank you.
[–]MutatedGamer 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
As someone who has been dealing with on-and-off depression for the last year or two, this post inspired me to seek a therapist.
[–]silfer101 25 points26 points27 points 4 months ago
thanks, i actually really needed that tldr right now...
[–]Senixter 19 points20 points21 points 4 months ago
you might regret that ^_^, read it whole
[–]ShobiTrd 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CVB8YSOLK4
I love this video, it help me everytime I need to hear good advices.
Do you think that gaming can positively reinforce habits that allow people to achieve their goals, regardless of whether they are on the road to becoming a progamer? There's a lot of hearsay on the subject, but I was curious as to your professional opinion.
Also, here's more inspirational music to get pumped to (we played every hour, on the hour, in the library lobby during finals week at my college): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgSMxY6asoE
[–]dongleberries 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
This post very much resonates with my esoteric beliefs. One of them is that the power is in the now. The power to take any action or to bring about any desirable change is not in the past or the future but right now. This should be taken as and acted upon as a simple and pure fact. The way i see it we are all given same amount of time each day to spend. You can either spend it to do what makes you happy or spend it stuck in the past. I however see that a lot of people i know simply cant get over the regrets and to me its more that they are refusing to let things go instead of them not being able to. The other is the idea of releasing resistance and limiting beliefs. From early on we are told by our family friends and environment what we can or cant do based on their perspective on the nature of reality. And more than often we grow up believing in all kinds of limitation and self discrimination that not only make no damn sense but inhibit us from freely expressing who we truly are as individuals. I learned the notion of gving myself the permission to do what i want from seduction stuff. When i see a girl i want to approach who is it that gives me the permission to approach her? The girl? Her friends? People around us? Dad? No, im the only one who can give me the permission to approach her. Uhhhhh im losing my train of thought so im gonna stop talking now
[–]atm259 12 points13 points14 points 4 months ago
A+ comment! Would read again!
[–]cesiumpluswater 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
That was beautiful, you're now tagged as "Drops Truth Bombs".
[–]CopperKat 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I went with Truth Bomber, to tie in starcraft. :D
[–]klueit 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
delicious food for thought
[–]mastersprinkles 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Wow! You have a true talent to convey a message- not just to the person who posted this thread but honestly to anyone who reads what you wrote. That message helped me and my life is in pretty good shape. You have a great gift and I want to thank you for sharing it.
[–]WillDieSoon 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Fuck, I wish the insp music link was in the beginning of the txt. Would've made it so much more Epic.
[–]egil87 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
;)
Cheers.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
/r/Starcraft has it's own psychologist now. You should pop up more often.
[–]jacobman 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
The inspirational music made this for me! More posts need to include music to frame the epicness of the speech they're about to embark on.
[–]fruitloop 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Very well said. You put into words a feeling I've had for about the last year that I've never been able to before. :))
[–]MoT 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
This is a simple, yet incredibly powerful realization everyone should go through in life.
You are all kinds of correct. Including the best kind of correct.
[–]chatmonchy 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
Made this into a wallpaper http://i.imgur.com/tlhCf.png
[–]ConsummateK 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
One of my favorite quotes "If you've time for regret, use it instead to act"
[–]Conceitedz 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I want to be you... please
[–]huskystarcraft 211 points212 points213 points 4 months ago
As some of the comments have said here before, looking up to people for inspiration is good but you really have to find your own way. I remember when I was just starting college and I saw popular YouTubers doing what they love for a living and I used to get so mad. My gut reactions were 'Wow they are horrible, they dont deserve what they have' and 'I could do way better' etc etc. At some point you have to stop degrading others and start supporting yourself. Too many people in this world would rather complain while living their mediocre life than actually man up and do something about it. If you dont believe me, try working at a fast food restaurant (I did for 3 years), one thing I noticed is that virtually every employee there would complain about the job but still show up to work there for years. Also, trying to mimic someones success and 'wanting to be where they are' can be really misleading.
For example, I used to look up to Tasteless a lot (well, I still do, but for the sake of this story lets look at how it started). I was inspired by how he was a straight up nerd baller, giving 0 fucks, and just casting StarCraft for a living. This was before he joined up with Artosis, before SC2 was even announced, and before GOM even gave him a co-caster. I'll be honest, he was one of my inspirations for starting StarCraft casts. One thing I quickly realized though is that there was no way I could ever be at where Tasteless currently is, at any point in time. Why? Because he had a 3-4 year head start on me that it would be impossible for me to make up. On the reverse, if someone was to look at myself and say "I really want to be where he is right now", what they need to do is focus on themselves in the present and not compare it to where the person they are looking up to is at right now.
Regret, as stated before, is really the deal breaker here. There are some people extremely close to me who I honestly just want to slap across the face and say GET THE FUCK OVER IT. Yes, the past can suck some times. Yes, maybe you've wasted 2, 3, 5, 20 years of your life. You can either sit around and regret it or just hit the reset button and start focussing on your life. One thing I've noticed with the human race as a whole, at least in America, is people tend to be more concerned about other peoples lives than their own. Thats why celebrities make so much money in America, because instead of improving their own lives they care more about which pair of pants Britney Spears is wearing today.
TL:DR; I think its great to be a fan of someone and even idolize them, but at the same time you should be a fan of yourself.
[–]Grakos 12 points13 points14 points 4 months ago
Hey i don't wanna get cheesy here, but while there was Day9, Artosis, Tasteless and all the other legends doing their casting and popularization of the game, the only starcraft II personality I only knew of was this guy on youtube called Husky, which was the first person to show me esports. You obviously found success just doing it your own way.
[–]autosuggested 16 points17 points18 points 4 months ago*
I to the NSPIRATIONAL, Mike! :)
[–]apineda 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Epic post. One thing I should note (thanks to MightyAtom) is that restart is better than reset. You can't reset because you cant change the past. You can restart now though, and start at zero, not negative, like you may think things are. Good going husky!
[–]Grimskov 174 points175 points176 points 4 months ago
Well, I don't think you realise how much thinking you just did there. You should be proud of yourself for feeling like that, identifying and in some way trying to deal with a problem way more advanced than most strategies or builds in StarCraft 2.
You should start believing in yourself more, no matter how hard that seems given your past. gl man, thanks for sharing
[–]JonFrost 35 points36 points37 points 4 months ago
identifying and in some way trying to deal with a problem way more advanced than ... StarCraft 2
This. You should give yourself more credit, OP.
[–]Tenshik 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago
Is self-analysis really that big an accomplishment. It makes me feel impotent, I know every single thing wrong with myself but I can't seem to change it. Really I think it's because I can't seem to have a self to strive for. This is just the way it is and it sucks.
[–]BumblebeeLotus 8 points9 points10 points 4 months ago
If you "know everything wrong with yourself" but are unable to change it, there's probably something causing everything else to be wrong.
[–]FallingSky1 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
I don't think so, we can change how we act but not how we feel. If we could, life would be a lot easier.
[–]luuurkmcguuurk 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
How you feel is a lie.
[–]Kni7es 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Holy shit.
If you suffer from depression (like me), you need to click that link. Now.
[–]ROOTMinigun 20 points21 points22 points 4 months ago
Sorry to hear. There's not much I can do but offer a 1 hour free coaching lesson to maybe help you go through replays, etc to learn how to improve from the mistakes you should be finding in them.
It gets better.
[–]hattfatt 17 points18 points19 points 4 months ago
Fuck all of you. Here I was, putting off studying for my exam this Friday in relative ease and now you all come along and motivate me beyond a level I could myself. Seriously, what the fuck?
[–]Kni7es 19 points20 points21 points 4 months ago
r/Starcraft. Making people not play Starcraft since 2009.
[–]wildfyre010 34 points35 points36 points 4 months ago
Here's an observation: you have better basic writing and grammar skills than about 60% of high school graduates. You are smarter and more capable than you think you are. If you are not happy with your life, there's still time to change it.
[–]TheAntZ 41 points42 points43 points 4 months ago
geez, dont be so embarassed about people reading this shit. Noone knows you personally, and its not like the things you said are uncommon within the progaming fandom. lots of others have felt the same way, I know I myself regret the amount of education and opportunities i let slide because I was playing broodwar or sc2, or smoking pot. Chill out and try your best from here on out
[–]cubeofsoup 12 points13 points14 points 4 months ago
first day of the rest of your life.
[–]sciithrowaway[S] 60 points61 points62 points 4 months ago
Thank you for the replies everyone :) I don't really know what else to say but thank you.
And for those upset that I turned r/starcraft in to my temporary blog I apologize. I honestly did not mean for this to get so much attention. I just had to put this out there and this is the only community I'm involved with anymore, both online and in real life.
[–]DavasiaN 20 points21 points22 points 4 months ago
Something to think about when you are depressed: You are surrounded by kind-hearted people who are more than willing to help you if you are sincerely asking for help. Don't ever be afraid to ask for help - we all need help at some point in our life.
[–]DavasiaN 17 points18 points19 points 4 months ago
Your post is not a whiny blog post, it is a plea for help. You are lost, frustrated, angry, and depressed, and I think everyone can relate to what you are feeling at some point in their life. I don't know your personality or your background, but from your blog post it seems that you discredit a lot of your own accomplishments. Being a high level WoW player, a good LoL player, and even top 8 Diamond in sc2 is more than what the average or even above-average person could accomplish. Don't let your progress demotivate you! It took Day9 many many years of playing SC:BW to become a good player. And most of the top SC2 players had a strong RTS background before SC2 came out, so they have a natural advantage.
The best advice I can give you is to change your attitude. You put yourself down so much that it impedes your own progress and development. Stop telling yourself that you are a failure and that you don't deserve to live. Realize that you are making progress, and let that motivate you to try to make progress even faster! Take it one day at a time and don't look back!
On a side note, if you are still interested in improving at SC2, I am more than willing to give you advice. Learning builds will improve your winrate, but it will not improve you as a player. I emphasize learning WHY a certain build works. If you can learn WHY the pros do certain builds and WHY they work, you will improve immensely as a SC2 player. This applies to other games as well. Go watch some more Day9 dailies where he analyzes a pro player of your race (Z, T, P) and DON'T pay any attention to the exact build order. Day9 will explain WHY doing this or doing that works. That is what you need to focus on. Always ask, WHY WHY WHY! Feel free to PM me (or reply here) if you have more questions. For those who question my credentials, I play under the alias vGdave, used to be a GM-level Zerg, took more than 3 months off from SC2, and recently started playing SC2 again.
[–]Ochikobore 20 points21 points22 points 4 months ago
I was in the same situation as you at one point. From what you've written I think you have the ability to think critically at some point in the future i.e. acknowledging your own ignorance and having a desire to obtain knowledge is a critical thinkers analysis.
You should immerse yourself in whatever activity you want to be able to thoroughly understand. Surround yourself with smart people within the field. Read as many books/articles by reputable people. Listen to as many commentaries as you can. It'll help you start thinking like they do even if it doesn't help you immediately.
Nobody started off with a thorough understanding of anything. Most people, like you, started off copying build orders without having any understanding of how they worked, and only later was able to figure out the ins-and-outs.
The saying goes "Imitate, assimilate, then innovate" That is if you want to master something at the very beginning you'll have no understanding so you'll need to build reference points to which you can anchor your future knowledge (imitate), then you will at some point need to analyze the things you've been doing and try to understand these things (assimilate), and then and only once you've understand what the people before you have done can you start coming up with your own ideas which other people can analyze and imitate (innovate).
[–]Fliblit 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago
Even the ancient Greeks knew this - Translatio, Imitatio, Aemulatio. If you want to be a good writer, start with the translation and interpretation of the great works. Then try to imitate it. Then, at last, try and become better than the original.
[–]Kni7es 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
Oscar Wilde had the same idea, albeit a bit more Machiavellian:
"Good writers borrow. Great writers steal."
[–]MarinePrincePrime 61 points62 points63 points 4 months ago*
I was in a similar situation. I dropped out of highschool my freshmen year because I wanted to be Fatal1ty. I wanted to win $1,000,000 playing quake and I moved to Sweden to do it. I failed miserably, moved back home to Ohio and got my GED. My parents allowed me to live with them all the way through college and now I'm doing just fine.
Go get your GED and go to college. You will not regret your mistakes as much as you do now. I still have hopes of being a pro-gamer but I realize that without a plan b, you're going to be a lot worse off.
[–]mmehlhope 38 points39 points40 points 4 months ago*
I think this is interesting because a lot of us have always seen a pro player and envied them and attempted to emulate them on some level. I think the hard reality is that there is only 1 Fatal1ty (Quake), or Boxer (SC1), or SK-Gaming (CS1.6). They get the fame, the deals, the winnings, the big paychecks.
As someone who also took Quake to the semi-pro level, you quickly realize that if you aren't first you're last and you're just wasting a lot of time.
I feel bad for all the SC2 players right now in GM league that are not winning tournaments, because they have essentially become extremely good at something that does not matter at all. They will never make any real money and will never achieve the fame that makes you a long-standing figure (unless you're a popular streamer like Catz/Destiny or something).
At the end of the day though, we still have our heroes within our particular game's community that we strive to be, and that in and of itself is a testament to how passionate we are about it, even if we aren't the best.
Edit: To clarify, I feel bad for the people that are GM and sacrificed school or a career to get there, but that are not at the level to where their sacrifices are justified via winnings.
[–]LairK 16 points17 points18 points 4 months ago
Well maybe some/most of the grandmasters play the game because they love it and happen to be grandmasters.
Day9, Artosis, various "pros" and others never expected to become that popular, they just wanted to play SC and be around its community as much as possible.
I myself was a (very) long time ago in top euro guilds on EverQuest, played 10 to 18 hours a day for years as it was basically the only thing I did when I wasn't at the university. We were somewhat popular like a 2d tier world guild would be popular amongst connoisseurs but nowhere near the popularity of FoH/Afterlife/LoS.
Of course, I never earned a penny, sponsorship or anything, never even sold currency or my character on ebay when I stopped (I COULD have used the money :p), it was just to play the game as well and as much as possible because I loved it. And no feeling of time wasted here (except for the lack of sex during that time tbh!).
[–]mmehlhope 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
I added an edit to clarify my statement that a lot of people sacrifice a great deal to get to those levels, but do not achieve a return on those sacrifices because they never achieve the stardom/winnings they set out for.
As someone who was a GM (Guild Master, not Grand Master!) of two TOP 50 guilds for World of Warcraft I can really empathize with you. Looking back though, I hate myself for dedicating that kind of time to the game. I was the fattiest and unhealthiest I had ever been; I put my relationship with my current wife at extreme risk; I stopped learning and was always exhausted so my career stagnated, etc.
SC and WoW are two different beasts, however. Some people have a strategic mindset and can play 3-4 hours a day and become masters or GM after several months. There are countless examples of semi-pros who are not sacrificing their life to play the game competitively -- granted, they aren't winning big checks, but they are the "doing it because they love it" people you speak of.
WoW and other similar games require utmost time dedication to be competitive and ruins lives as a result.
[–]irrationalexhuberous 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
psh. I used to hate myself for missing opportunities in real life to live in game worlds. Then I realized all these people around me would never know what it was like to be a space pirate. That as far as I was concerned, I was a fucking space pirate, and it was some of my best memories. Sure a hardware failure could have completely destroyed all my hard work, but so could a hurricane in this world.
One reality isn't any better than the other. Do what you love.
[–]Hraes 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
Yep, this is pretty much my approach to it. Reality is what you make of it and there are no overriding goals or a great scorecard at the end, so why not get good enough at something that you can feel what it's like to truly kick ass? Sure, it's not real in the classical sense, but who cares?
Some of my most exceptional moments were directly seen by hundreds and shaped the fate of thousands in a game called Travian. Will they ever know the actual me? Not in person, no. Does it matter? I say no. It's still me, I had a blast doing it, and I got a chance to really stretch my brain as well, in an arena of strategy and tactics that will likely never see practical applications in solid things.
This is also why I am completely hooked on PvP games in general. Beating the computer is pointless, as you're either playing a gimped opponent or playing an opponent who never had a chance. Playing another person? That's real.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
To Quote Skip Lipman from Darkon:
"Its that microcosm, macrocosm. Little world just as real as big world."
Skip quotes Pink Floyd
"All you touch and all you see. Is all your life will ever be."
[–]stuckinmotion 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Until you turn off the computer.. then the reality that remains tends to be the one that matters more..
[–]semi- 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
Everything that happened in the past is all just memories anyways, and as long as they're good memories I don't think it matters if they came from WoW or from some frat party or hanging at a bar.
[–]stuckinmotion 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Yeah I'm just saying once you turn off your computer all you have left of digital experiences is their memory, which arguably isn't as rewarding or fulfilling as say working towards something physically real and tangible.
I don't know, maybe I'm just thinking of all the 'relationships' that gaming has brought me over the years, and how irrelevant they are to anything outside of the the game. It'd be nice to have someone to call about what's going on in my life, but I doubt any of my arena partners from WoW would care, or even relate to half of it.
Except for maybe the parts where I talk about being too tired from all night gaming sessions to succeed in my day-time challenges..
[–]zahrdahl 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Not really related to the topic, but figured I'd ask. What was your name back in EQ? Judging from the little info you gave I'm guessing you were in Darkwind as we were the top EU and top3ish worldwide-guild during the time I quit the game, but then again this might've been during a different era ofcourse.
[–]mjoodz 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I dont see why you feel bad for those people... they play a game that they like, and play it fairly well. Its not like they would have been that good without GMs, streamers and other influential figuers in the scene!
[–]Thumper86 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I think his point is that a lot of those people may have gotten into the game because they loved it but continued to play in hopes of "making it big". They almost certainly have sacrificed something to get there, you don't hit GM as a casual player. It's basically a year gone.
[–]asokoloski 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago
Hey man, don't feel too bad about it. That sort of mindset is something that takes practice. Lots of people don't get it as a kid, for whatever reason, so you have to learn it as an adult. You are saying you feel stupid, which is natural, but think of that as a sign that you are challenging yourself in the right way.
It's important to realise that it's very difficult to learn if 90% of your brainpower is taken up by little demons telling you that you can't do it, that you're stupid, or whatever dumb shit that demons like to do because they're mean.
Unsolicited advice follows:
The first step is to learn how to fail and not feel stupid, or to treat the failure as part of you. And I don't mean to not really try, so you have an excuse for failure. I mean to actually put serious effort something that you know will be hard for you to do, to fail, and to be ok with it. Failure is OK. Failure is necessary and healthy. Even if it's something that other people make look easy, just remember that you don't see their failures. And sure, some of them have a head start. But you can't start out by comparing yourself to them. Comparison is only healthy once you are OK with failure.
In other words, to start out, change your goal from success at the task, to success at failing gracefully. Think about Neo from the Matrix, and realise that that's not how the world works. Neo was chosen by mysterious forces, he was special, and he got magic powers without having to work for them. That's not what life is like. Not only does it take hard work to become really good at something, sometimes it can take a lot of hard work before you start to feel passion. Sometimes passion only comes once you've reached a certain skill level.
The other problem, which I personally struggle with, is discipline. Discipline is about keeping your eye on the goal, and not letting your mind wander, even though it would be so easy to give up. It's not so much dealing with fear, or feeling stupid or embarrassed, as it is dealing with fatigue, or the temptation to do something that has more reward in the short term.
Discipline is tricky. It's best to start very, very small. You don't have to practice 8 hours every day, but what you do has to be very intentional. Start out with concentrating for 5 minutes, thinking of nothing else but what you are trying to get good at. Then increase it more and more each day until you are happy with the amount of work you're putting in.
Take breaks of course. You might like this blog post, and others by the same author: http://calnewport.com/blog/2011/11/11/if-youre-busy-youre-doing-something-wrong-the-surprisingly-relaxed-lives-of-elite-achievers/
I think what you are doing is playing, not practising. It's understandable -- deliberate practice is hard, and outside of one's comfort zone. I have plenty of trouble with it, having not been raised by a strict Chinese Tiger Mom :)
And finally, it's important to realise that the passion Day9 has for Starcraft didn't just happen magically. He grew up at the right time, and has a brother that he's very close to who is also interested in the game. That creates a feedback loop of excitement. I really think that if one of Day9 or Tasteless weren't interested in Starcraft, then the other would probably not be anywhere as involved in the game.
The final advice I have for you is to think back to the times in your life when you felt pumped up, inspired, passionate, and determined, and think about what environment and circumstances you found yourself in. Then try to reproduce that every day, if you can. Maybe it was being around certain kinds of people, or reading stories about great things people did, or playing certain songs, I don't know. Try to put yourself into those situations, until you can start to carry that feeling around with you inside.
Just remember that you're starting on a journey. It won't be easy, but it will be worth it.
[–]liquiddoodies 11 points12 points13 points 4 months ago
Starcraft makes me feel stupid because I have such a hard time multitasking. I'm still in lower bronze because I can't learn how to effectively micro units and remember to build workers, units, food, and tech. When I try to scout, I'll forget to do things like send workers to mine gas.
[–]billiardwolf 5 points6 points7 points 4 months ago
im masters and I have a hard time multitasking and forget to little things all the time
[–]sicinfit[] 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
Well, shit son, what are you going to do? This situation is much more common than you think. I've seen friends fail/drop out of 10th grade, 12th grade, freshmen year, sophomore year, senior year, and 2 months into grad school. All because they have no fucking idea what they want to do with their lives and is afraid to go down the wrong path. The truth is, you can never know what the right path is until you've tread it.
Your best bet is to just fucking do it now, and bitch later. But if you do it now, make damn sure to lose yourself to it, dedicate weeks and months to your goal and do whatever you can to sustain this goal. Half-assing everything will get you nowhere, no matter how "proper" your original goals were. I'd rather see you work your ass off at improving yourself at a game than try to bullshit your way through a degree.
[–]Pandaburn 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
There are hundreds of posts here already and it's been h ours since you posted, but as a public high school teacher who went to a top University (I mention this only to say that I can recognize smart and successful people), and someone who is dating a person who had to delay college by two years due to depression, I hope I can say something that can help.
First, I'm not going to lie to you, your record in High School is going to be a barrier to further study and possibly employment. But that does not mean these things are impossible, only more difficult, and it certainly does not mean that you are stupid. In fact, I can tell you that your writing shows an eloquence and a grasp of narrative structure beyond what many high school students have. Your grades represent your past behavior, but not your intelligence.
When it comes to your gaming, sure you had practice, tools, and coaching to help you, but your accomplishments are your own. I can't really say about WoW, but in LoL and SC2 fighting into the top 5% of players is something that, well, 95% of players can't do. When it comes to challenges in life, probably even more than in video games, being able to use all of the people and resources around you to build your own success is probably much more important than your own raw talent. This is a skill to cultivate, not one of which you should be ashamed. Your concern for the cost of your therapy for your parents also shows that you are a good person, and probably interfered with its effectiveness.
I can't say where you will find your passion, because that is a very personal matter. However I can see that you have the potential and skills you will need to excel at it. Maybe you need to get a GED. Maybe you need to start up high school again as a sophomore. Maybe you will have to go to community college for two years before transferring to a four year college.
I know a guy who was a total fuck off in high school and went to the local community college, only to pursue a study of sound engineering, something he found a passion for after high school, and transfer to a four year college where he could complete a bachelor's in it and follow his dream of producing his own CD's (he also learned to play the guitar and sing, from basically no musical knowledge, because he wanted to be in a band with his friends). This guy is not a genius. He's an average dude who just found something to work for. You don't have to find your calling as a teenager; it can come whenever.
I hope this helps you, or anyone else who reads this, pick yourself up off the dirt. If you want to talk, PM me and we can chat on b.net or something.
[–]Tyfud 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Look, unlike everyone else offering you encouragement, I feel like I should offer you something else, something different, from another perspective.
I was pro in a game called BattleTech/RedPlanet, and then also was a pretty big thing in a few other MMO's that came out (Dark Age of Camelot, WoW, etc.). I spent a ton of time playing with some of the best players in the world and advancing cutting edge strategies.
At that level, you just burn out. You can't do it anymore. It stops being fun, and it starts being brutally stressful. That's not to say it's not worth it, if you get immense enjoyment out of it and it enriches your life, but you have to make sacrifices.
You're too young to have anything to regret right now. Even the time you spent learning and becoming good at the games will be useful for you down the road. What you're doing is establishing a process by which you approach and train for things, and that process can carry you through to almost anything if you apply yourself to it.
You're not going to be a pro gamer. Just like there's thousands of thousands of kids playing Football/Soccer/basketball who aren't going to be pro. And even if they did go pro, so few of them end up becoming noteworthy.
The problem is, if you're not one of the top 2 or 3 players, you're nobody, and the chances of you doing that, and the hundreds and thousands of other guys who are trying their hardest to get into those spots, and failing, and sacrificing everything to get there, should be promoted as a warning a bit more to people.
You haven't lost anything yet. You haven't sacrificed and spent 21 hours a day training and playing a game and developing strategies, and obsessed to the point of interventions from friends/families (and it'll happen if you go down that road). That's regret. That's putting your life, your soul into something and watching it slip through your fingers.
And you need something like that, you need to lose something meaningful, before you can understand why certain people are so driven in the things they do, and why they have such passion. You don't get passion without giving something else.
If I were you, I'd look more to why you're so afraid of putting all of yourself into something. What have you got to lose? A bit of imagined self respect? You'll get more respect for having put everything you've got into something in your life, than you will for slipping between the cracks of every day life trying to get noticed by being unnoticeable.
TL;DR; Make some sacrifices. Put yourself out there. Only when you've lost something, can you gain a passion for something else.
[–]274Below 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
If SC/#100 made you realize you've never done anything due to a passion before, well, maybe now you can. Just a thought.
Though, to be honest, you're probably approaching it in the wrong light. Nothing good ever comes easy, and it is never just given to you on a silver platter. Go do something boring and menial (like getting a GED) and then go do something that you're slightly interested in (like a specific class/degree at a college). If something else starts looking more shiny the more you dig into what you are currently investigating, pursue that instead.
Buckle down and do it. Learn something in the process. In a lot of ways, you're more free to do what you want than the "properly educated people" who have boxed themselves into their career path and futures by getting a degree in something that they ultimately don't like.
Somewhere along the way, you may find what you're looking for.
[–]ReneeJade 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
I'm an ADD fuck and I did skip a bit of it. But I'm also an ADD fuck who's thrown away a lot of talent and opportunity. Just keep on keeping on man. I've failed my arse off at all sorts of things, repeatedly and always for the same reasons. Flakey confidence and unpredictable panic attacks are the main reasons aside from the ADHD. I never really screwed up big time, just fucked around a lot. Anyway, one day my shit-headedness landed me in a Java programming class. Now I love coding with all my heart. Even after that I messed up a lot at uni and considered leaving at least 4 times a year. But now I nearly have my BCompSci (from a good school but with a shit GPA). I also have an internship with Google - my life line. Don't really know if this is relevant, but I guess I'm saying hang in there til you find something you like or until you manage to jag some luck.
[–]GarMan 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
I dropped out of 10th grade (didn't finish it), and have been a game developer for over 15 years.
This is not advice, just pointing out that education is not the end-all and be-all of of success.
[–]czpaka 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Would you hire yourself for any of those positions you mentioned? Seems to me you have trouble even showing up on time, if at all. Completely unreliable. Intelligence doesn't matter if you have no work ethic.
Intelligent? Yes. If you want honest advice to get back on track, trying showing up on time and avoiding such a self-centered lifestyle that is purely motivated by self-satisfaction.
[–]ExcelNaota 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago*
Anyway the real point is: I can't think critically (or at all) anymore. But maybe I never could. In WoW I was one of the top players of my class on my server. In League of Legends I was playing with people who are now placing in major tournaments like IEM. In Starcraft I made it to top 8 Diamond in ~300 games having never played RTS before and when I first started playing I felt more overwhelmed than I'd ever felt before. But I don't feel that I accomplished those things because of my own skill or my own thought process. I accomplished them because I had guides or people telling me what to do. In WoW I had ElitistJerks and simulators. In LoL I had SoloMid.net and LeagueCraft. In Starcraft I had TeamLiquid and a Master league coach. I listened to Day9 talk about how he came up in Starcraft. How he would think of strategies and play for hours upon hours and hammer out builds and counters and strategies.
Anyway the real point is: I can't think critically (or at all) anymore. But maybe I never could.
In WoW I was one of the top players of my class on my server. In League of Legends I was playing with people who are now placing in major tournaments like IEM. In Starcraft I made it to top 8 Diamond in ~300 games having never played RTS before and when I first started playing I felt more overwhelmed than I'd ever felt before.
But I don't feel that I accomplished those things because of my own skill or my own thought process. I accomplished them because I had guides or people telling me what to do. In WoW I had ElitistJerks and simulators. In LoL I had SoloMid.net and LeagueCraft. In Starcraft I had TeamLiquid and a Master league coach.
I listened to Day9 talk about how he came up in Starcraft. How he would think of strategies and play for hours upon hours and hammer out builds and counters and strategies.
Shut up man, seriously – don’t think like that… Because let me let you on a little secret. “Learning” is just a fluffy way of saying “steal the shit out of everyone else’s ideas.” It’s exactly what you’re doing right now, and it is one of the keys to success.
Do you know how school works? Your teacher guides you and tells you what think: what concepts to learn, what equations to remember, and how to thought process to be successful in your class. Occasionally you’ll work on a creative project (as in, work in the box the teacher wants you to) with other students and other times skim through papers written by renown researchers. Either way, not a single original thought is involved.
Social skills? You acquire them from the people around you, particularly when you’re young. If a child doesn’t have that exposure, that opportunity to imitate*their parents/siblings/surroundings, they’re almost guaranteed to become feral children.
Sports? They have a coach, mentor, and friends to perfect their game. Practically everyone “throws like a girl,” has improper positioning, technique, etc. at first until they start to pick up proper technique from the players around them.
Day[9]? He had Tasteless, he had a clan to play with, and later he had several practice partners to hone his skills to become a pro player. Why do you think he got teary eyed when he talked about Tasteless, or why is so greatful to the community that surrounds him? He was never alone on his road to success.
What you’re doing is exactly what you should be doing when it comes to learning Starcraft II, practicing LoL, and perfecting your WoW character as quickly as possible. Every good player needs a good mentor, a strong network of peers and friends to practice with, and the motivation to put the necessary time perfect the skills.
I have been playing RTS games for over 14 years, but I’m still in the lower diamond league. I have the same exact resources as you: Day[9], pro-games, replays, and heaps of knowledge from TL and Liquipedia. Despite this, you’re definitely at a higher level than me, and at the end of the day it doesn’t matter how you acquired certain skills or if the thought process originated from you or not… All that matters is that the skills you now have and the knowledge that you have gained over the years, ARE YOURS – and you can prove that to the world when crush my shitty zerg play. Have some pride in that.
[–]TimMitchell 37 points38 points39 points 4 months ago
Don't upvote = front page express in Reddit language.
[–]Ingebrigtsen 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago
you can't force passion, if you haven't had the same passion day9 has, you just haven't found the right thing for you.
[–]ScarletLibertine 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
FWIW: Most people playing WoW read Elitist Jerks. If you really were one of the top players of your class on the server (and not just more geared, but actually skilled) you probably were thinking more critically that most about how to apply what you were learning. So, you must be smart, and willing to put in some work learning about things you care about, now you just need to find what you really care about and are really willing to work at.
[–]mAgixWTF 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
I can relate. Though for someone with a background in depression, its never wise to think to much about bad history and experiences, but concentrate on today and the future! As soon as I think about my bad past experiences, or even think what could have been had i done stuff differently, i get depressed again. And its a long list, too. As soon as I am depressed again, I dont feel anything, and in that state, i couldnt be passionate about anything either. I'd just feel numb. Luckily I live in Germany, and over here depression is taken seriously. I did not have to pay anything for therapists, and it was easy to get and accept help. (Actually there is a small fee now, to be able to see a doctor or a therapist, nowadays).
TLDR; Dont get down on your past, focus on your strengths, and on today!
[–]HappyVlane 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
If you don't have the passion Day9 has then don't try to be passionate about something you don't really enjoy.
I did the same thing in the past. I wanted to become good at something (Quake 3), but I didn't have the passion. I couldn't get myself to play 8 hours a day and I felt bad because of it, since I thought "This is my calling in life.".
Now I'm over that stuff and concentrate on things I genuienly like (linguistics) and try to learn new things.
[–]That_Brony_Guy 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Very good read and it's a good thing that you posted it. I find that when I get upset with myself, it's a lot easier to deal with anger, depression, etc. when working it out of your system whether it be through exercising, writing, running, meditation, etc.
I'm in a similar position as you at this point in my life because I have really no idea what I would like to do with the rest of my life, and I know that time isn't infinite and I have to make a decision quickly.
I've just turned 24, graduated from college in May of 2010 and am now working in my family's business. My problem is that I have been trying to get away from this business because it's all I have ever done when related to a "job" and I just want something different. Only thing is that I have failed miserably when doing just that. Applied to a bunch of places and have never even HEARD back from said places. Never even gotten a reply. It's a sucky feeling.
But, I'm beginning to understand that I don't have this "passion" for anything in particular like you've said. We'll find it someday though, I'm sure, but that just this time is a struggle to get through. Keep our heads up and keep plugging away; you never know what can happen on this journey.
Edit: BTW, you are not stupid. Don't be so down on yourself like that.
[–]CongratsYouUsedAMeme 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
We have similar stories, except I didn't fuck up until college. Psychoactive drugs like marijuana are bad for people with latent psychoses (like depression). It gave me panic attacks, the kind that made me scared to leave my home. I got over it once I stopped and when I look back I am thankful for the anxiety it gave me, because without that kind of stress I doubt I would have sought to improve myself. Go to college, get a degree, doors will open for you, if not in your chosen field of study, then at least something above minimum wage will be attainable. Every person you talk to will tell you they have had a troubled past, the successful ones are the people who learn from their mistakes and move on.
As terrible as it is to think about, we die at the end of this life. While that statement will be too stressful for a lot of people to confront, I find it motivational. We should make the best life for ourselves with the time we have.
[–]xkalibert 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Life lesson being learn from another Gamer.
[–]delinquentme 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
this is whats known as "righteous anger" I find its an amazing tool to get my ass doing what NEEDS TO BE DONE.
Now for you it seems that is what the topic at hand is. This post .. awesome! You're well into the phase of " I WANT TO DO SOMETHING"
Now much like myself you get angry about it ... LOVE IT... USE THAT. I've always preached about how one can use things which really piss them off to find their calling in life.
FIND something you want to change and do that shit !
[–]Gosu1 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Whenever I feel like giving up on something I always think to my self: Never gg!! Usually works. lol
[–]Noire1337 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
I am a EU Master Protoss and recently quit playing because this game makes me go crazy. I couldn´t think of anything else. I didn´t get "bad" in school but it was just no life. It´s too small of a window to the world for an almost 18 year old guy like me. Sry if I can´t share your enthusiasm anymore. I have played it for like a half of a year. In that time i hammered out almost 1000 games. But I didn´t get anything out of it.
Sry if my english isnt´t perfect.
Greetings.
[–]ashido 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Hey buddy, don't be so down on yourself. I pissed away the better part of a decade doing absolutely nothing with my life, and felt the same way you feel. I made changes, and things quickly turned around and I felt happier and more satisfied with my life.
Then you also heard his story about pulling individual units out with a high amount of kills, and naming them (along with other noobish behavior like "no rush" island maps). He didn't start out being a great player, but after years of just playing, he finally realized there was a whole different level of strategy in the competitive arena. I came to this same realization during Brood War 2v2 when my pickup partner began to constantly berate me in public: "build more scvs, god damn" and "holy shit you suck, build way more scvs" then finally just heckling me along with the opposing team. Instead of upping my game and getting better, I simply resolved to never go online in Starcraft again and stayed in the campaign.
But I don't feel that I accomplished those things because of my own skill or my own thought process.
You can get all the coaching in the world, but it's still your skill as a player winning those games. You don't have to create a new build in order to be considered a good player; it's execution that's important.
I'm not a strategy analysis expert either, but I can look through my own replays and go "oh yeah, here I was supply blocked...I need to not let that happen anymore." It's not incredibly difficult, and most of the time I don't even need to go through the replay to know where I made the most mistakes, because it's usually something simple like, "when I pushed, I floated too many minerals and couldn't rebuild my army in time to stop his counterpush" or "built way too many structures and couldn't afford an army to hold off his initial push."
I made it to top 8 Diamond
This is the part where I go "wow, quit whining." :P I'm in bronze (which I know automatically invalidates any opinion or insight I have into the game). I've been absolutely stomped by pretty crappy players simply because I make some stupid mistakes.
I just sort of play mindlessly.
Maybe this game isn't your passion, and that's perfectly fine too. You could even try a hobby that's not a video game and see if that's something you're good at.
People often latch onto a few things they really enjoy, and those become their hobbies. It can be sports, woodworking, Starcraft, LoL, WoW, Eve Online, auto repair, reading books, or really anything. For both Day9 and Tasteless, theirs just happens to be Starcraft. Don't feel like you have to have the same level of excitement about something as everyone else.
[–]MaunaLoona 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Here's a quote from Dune:
Muad'Dib learned rapidly because his first training was in how to learn. And the first lesson of all was the basic trust that he could learn. It's shocking to find how many people do not believe they can learn, and how many more believe learning to be difficult. Muad'Dib knew that every experience carries its lesson.
[–]skaya 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
OP i'm in your same exact situation. it's weird seeing something like this when i'm thinking it personally.
+1 for commiseration
[–]tone_ 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
The problem of not being able to identify a true passion is a very difficult one. Or you can find yourself lacking motivation to deeply pursue the things you think you're passionate about. If you find an answer for this one, please let me know.
[–]TheRealRainFall 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
You've finally become wise then.
[–]OSU-Acidosis 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
First world problem in my opinion. I had to come oversea to get a decent education because where I was from, you either had to be stupidly rich or super smart to get an education equivalent to the state university system. But I don't blame you, I had parents that cared and wanted me to do better than them. I'm not going to lecture people on how important education is but the fact is there's a strong correlation between success and education. Find out what you're good at and stick to it. It doesn't have to make you happy, just be able to support yourself to the point where you can find happiness from your extra time. For me, thats chemical engineering and for many others it might just be and office work from 9 to 5. I too wanted to be a programmer, but knew early on that it wasn't for me. I was no good at it and most of the time you just spend your time editing someone else's script. What I'm trying to get at is you're not stupid if you suck at something so specific as trying to master playing Starcraft. Fact is people sucks at a lot of things, you just need to be good at one thing to make it in this world. Find, and I know it'll take a long time with many trials and errors, that certain thing you're good at. The idea of following your dreams and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise is very romantic but in reality only a small percentage of people actually find that romantism in this unidealistic world. I hope you find that certain thing and maybe share it with the world when you do.
[–]iCrono 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
this is why a lot of people need more discipline in their lives. taking everything for granted and then fucking their lives up by not thinking about their future. immediate gratification...
Are you me?
[–]Aeze 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
I know that feel, bro.
[–]mecavity 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Man, if you ever want to talk to a complete stranger who won't judge you to get things off your chest, feel free to contact me.
[–]skrolz 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
TBH, for failing through 8th grade, and dropping out of High School, your grammar is on-point! And about your issues, you're not alone. I have spells every now and then, and a few of my friends are the same way. It happens. Learn to cope and look ahead!
[–]Fencer3012 2 points3 points4 points 4 months ago
Ironically, the ability to identify that you cannot critically think is critical thinking in itself, so you just proved that you can indeed critically think. :)
[–]infinitygosu 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
i think that a huggggge factor in why day 9 had / has so much success is because he had a brother that did exactly what he did. they knew each other in real life and both had the same likes. it is extremely helpful to have someone that is as passionate as you are about something IRL because you are able to talk through your problems while getting away from them at the same time. i.e. goto park and talk, eat food, etc... getting away from the thing you have problems with and still talking about them somewhere else in a non similar environment is very helpful. GL
[–]odif 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
Honestly.. I think Artosis is a better role model for you compared Day9. I think his past is more similar to your life. I suggest you take a look at his upcoming biography video, "Sons of Starcraft" when it's released.
Just remember, in the world of sports/e-sports the actual people who are getting all the money is a small fracture of the community. There are so many people who dream big and fail, and they are in the same boat as you.
It's true if you keep practicing like some players do (some 8-12 hours/day) you can achieve a high level eventually but you really need to have the natural talent to be the best. I think the same goes for anything. In anything, to be very successful, there is always the hard work(and the passion) then the talent plus some luck.
You can't really compare yourself to Day9, keep in mind, he had 10+ years in the BW scene to build up his passion. I think sometimes passion is not something you have from the start, but something that you fall for along the way while working hard.
I wish you the best in future as a stranger to another stranger in life.
[–]RibalAR 6 points7 points8 points 4 months ago
How about you educate yourself. I don't care what school you go to, just go anywhere you can learn. Ger a college degree, fuck all the other shit. You will have time to focus on whatever it is once you have a degree that enables you to do something other than flip a burger. Just my 2 cents.
[–]kaspiCZ 4 points5 points6 points 4 months ago
...because Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg & co. were flipping burgers. Education is the last thing you worry about when you don't have anything to live for.
Luckily by the time I was at this junction, I have had found something to live for. So I ended up having a degree. Yet it didn't help me one bit.
Institutionalized education is overrated. If you want, you can always educate yourself. The only thing schools do for you is make the learning easier for you in some regards.
[–]-SilkSpectre- 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I completely agree with you. Critical thinking is a skill that you need to acquire and gaming isn't going to get you there. OP needs to get education, a passion for progaming is just a dream. In most cases a pretty silly one.
[–]markevens 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
8th grade in 2003 So you should have graduated in 2007 so you are about 23 years old.
While yes, you have wasted a lot of time, you are still very young. You aren't a kid any more, but are are still in your very first years of adulthood. Plenty of time to go to college and get the education you need to do what you want.
Sure, you will be a little older than other people in the class, in some classes you may be the oldest, but you CAN STILL DO IT!!!
Hell, most people end up changing careers in their mid-30s. Don't sweat it bro, just move forward.
[–]GreenSage45[] 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Looks like someone's starting to think critically already...maybe you've still got some surprises within yourself
[–]jktstance 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago*
I'm 30 and I still haven't found anything that makes me passionate like Day9 is about SC. It's somewhat depressing.
Actually, I'm a little obsessed with My Little Pony nowadays, which does make things feel better, but I don't have the enthusiasm for it like Day9 has for StarCraft. The guy's excitement over the game is just infectious.
[–]Disc99 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I'm in the same boat. I did everything "right" as far as going to college(graduated with a 3.9) and getting a "good" job. Problem is every job I've had since college I don't really care for and it gets mind numbingly boring after awhile. I've never had a passion for anything.
Think Office Space but not quite to that extreme. I'd love to just do nothing for awhile.
[–]tj8264 3 points4 points5 points 4 months ago
So you fail middle school(didn't know this was possible) then drop out of high school, smoke weed, then complain that your life has to passion or purpose? Lol.
[–]rindindin -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
r/starcraft is now your blogging tool for all your (might be) Starcraft related goodness.
[–]sciithrowaway[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 months ago
You guys made it that way by upvoting it. :)
[–]Fliblit 8 points9 points10 points 4 months ago
That's not a big deal. I liked the read, actually. Wouldn't mind more personal stories like these.
[–]Mendokuse -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 months ago*
"Please don't upvote I don't want this near the front page ...fuck you, seriously."
There's a delete button.
You're an attention whore.
Upvoted.
In fact, no, downvoted.
[–]asokoloski 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Oh and to add to my other long post, I have suffered from anxiety, and I found the Linden Method quite helpful. I don't know if it's also good for depression, though, but you may want to look into it. I really wish you the best!
[–]graffiti81 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
It's a damned good thing you're realizing this now and not when you're 30.
[–]Miraculum 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
It has made me realize how much practice can help you improve and furthermore how important it is to keep a positive attitude towards the game and more importantly to yourself and your skill level. Confidence is a big step. OP, be proud of yourself. Judging from your post I believe you learned a lot from StarCraftII so far!
[–]Dinostormasaurus 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
If you're really serious about getting into sc2, or just doing something that you want to be known for, theres no shame in listening to people. In fact, I suck horribly at sc2, and my grades were sub par to bad through school because I spent my time working on computers or playing games, but i learned how to do what I know how to do because I listened to people, and eventually made what i know my own thing.
No shame in that man, and if you wanna get better at sc2, look up combatex's vids on youtube, hes a master player and he teaches you what he does and why, im getting better as a result of listening to him.
[–]MrWrangler 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
try self direct neural plasticity
[–]ZergBiased 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
For a high school drop out you wrote that very well, there are people who did well in high school who don't write as well as you. I'm not sure what to tell you life advice wise but keep at something... anything. Focus on SC2 if that's what you like, then take what you like and use it to motivate you in other areas of your life. <3 Keep calm and carry on.
[–]gtgladin 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Hey man, let me tell you as someone who has made a lot of mistakes in my life, it's NEVER too late to start again. I speak as someone who became a WoW addict for about 3 years and nearly let it ruin my life. I struggled with depression, lost my job, gained about 50 lbs, and other things as well. The day after I lost my job I woke up and said fuck it I'm going to do better. I started exercising daily, applied to grad school, and then I discovered a little game called SC2. It allowed me to get my gaming fix without the need to constantly grind bullshit and waste countless hours playing mmo's. Suffice it to say that my life has gotten a lot better since that day and SC2 definitely helped me, although it makes me feel incredibly dumb at times as well. But the point about that is that it doesn't matter how you learn, or who you learn from. If you learn a build from someone else and it works for you, that's no worse than trying to come up with your own build or analyze your own games. Eventually you will get to the point where you understand the game well enough to let your own creativity take over. I hope the best for you man, you just have to want it for yourself. :)
[–]dainipponjin 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Most of the musicians are not able to perform their own solos or whatever right from the start, they learn others musicians experience and knowledge. If we take your approach it will mean that they have to reinvent music from the beginning to prove their skills and the whole lifetime wouldn't be enough for this. Read articles, copy builds etc and some day you will generate your own knowledge.
[–]lurkenstine 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I've never read something that has described me better.
[–]zahrdahl 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Can see alot of myself in this post, more than I'd normally like to admit. Thanks for sharing.
[–]Inanity 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
I have yet to watched Daily #100 because I know that learning about other people's successes will remind me of my failures, and that is something I can't deal with at the moment. So props for being able to face your fears. Good luck.
[–]Swampfunk 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Man, don't worry about it. The only person's opinion that matters is your own.
The fact that you wrote this post shows that you have the critical thinking ability that you desire, you just need to come to terms with it. Some people peek early in life, other peek later...seems to me you are still on the uphill climb in life... don't give up now.
[–]impulse101duix 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Had to sign in to comment: every word you said made so much scene to me I almost didn't believe it. It sounds kinda weird but this post on reddit speaks to me more then anything i have ever read.
[–]Tenshik 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Yeah my issue is I just have no passion for anything in this life. Games, learning, tv, movies, anything. I see people who get stuck on at least one of those and go full tilt into it. I just ADD smash my head around all over the place. My basic 2 hr timespan is literally 1 game for 40 mins, comics for 20, khanacademy for 30 into HIMYM for an episode or likewise show. I can't focus on anything and I don't really want to. I basically just want to care about something.
[–]Lavarocked -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
This only addresses a small bit, but as for critical thinking, it can be learned! It's not really some kind of wishy washy mental ability, it's somewhat of a procedure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
Wikipedia is a good starting point. Critical thought is all about establishing criteria, and answering questions to formulate an idea or an assessment. You CAN do this.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
Where are your parents during all of this? Just go get some meds and be happy with mediocracy like the rest of us man. It gets better. (or you just stop caring, one of the two)
[–]TrimHopp 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Sciith, I think the best thing you can do is to just be as open as you can to any possibility, and eventually, you WILL find something that you care about enough to get emotional over it. And if people judge you for it, that's their prerogative, not yours. Ignore them. Just be happy and find something that will make you happy.
[–]mrpinnapple -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
Hey man. I absolutely love these personal stories. They inspire me so much! And if you think about it that must be why Day9 daily 100 is as popular as it is. Sadly I do not think I have advice for you that has not already been said. All I can say is that what solved my problems was finding a passion. And for me that passion happened to be Starcraft 2. I cannot decide for you sir, but I would search for a passion and a healthy one and cling to it as hard as you can. I cried too after watching that daily. Only because I finally knew what I was missing.
[–]DuBee415 -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
lol he said buttfuck...
[–]Revoran -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
Just wanted to make the point that pot doesn't "make you lazy" - but if people make a choice to smoke pot when they need to be doing something more important, then yeah that's them being lazy. Just the same as if they chose to play SC2 instead of doing something else they needed to be doing.
[–]mastersprinkles -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
You wrote this with some passion- maybe you have a passion for writing?
[–]DrZealot 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
Choose your own adventure. Don't worry about the rest.
[–]56kuser 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
"I don't want this near the front page"... Upvote it is.
[–]udradn 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLKuoklj1bo motivation music get motivated you feel me? #RARE #SWAG #BASED #TYBG
[–]pizzaman42 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
A man does what he can until his destiny is revealed.
[–]pfitz6 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
you use the word "can't" often. Can't is a mindset not a comment on ability.
[–]Panface -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago
You should give mlp a chance, helps clear up the mind of a lot of people, especially ones who feel like you do :/
Im serious, give it a try
[–]cbarts2 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo
[–]agmcleod 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I just want to comment on your gaming successes. Reading build orders, looking at what items to get and masteries on solomid.net doesn't mean you're just stealing info and running on that. It's essentially a guide and resource to use. That only takes you so far. Execution is everything. So you definitely made your own accomplishments.
[–]Mons7er 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago
I just wanted to say that I realized what passion meant, and had to restructure my beliefs because of Day 9.
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
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