GOP debate, the moderator John King wanted to move on to another topic. The crowd starting yelling, "Paul! What about Paul's answer!", and RP had to stop to wave to his supporters and then reminded King, "Well this is a medical issue and I am a doctor."

BeltsOrion · 4 months

I did not see the whole debate, but I caught the tail end of it. I happened to catch this part and kept thinking to myself, Paul hasn't said anything yet, but he should be coming up soon. He almost never did.

One thing that I found particularly striking was the Paul was the only candidate who did not close with an anti-Obama statement. He gave a closing statement that outlined his ideologies and some larger plans he would enact that would help dig America out of the rut. Gingrich spoke only of Obama while the other candidates met somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. Whether you agree with Paul or not, you have to find it disappointing that a man who clearly states his ideas is ignored while passion purely against opposition is met with just as much if not more applause.

The final shot of the debate was a pan across the screen showing all of the candidates faces as a closing shot. Ron Paul was not featured in this shot.

CHEEZYSPAM · 4 months

Paul was in this debate?! I looked but never saw him because chicken shit CNN always framing the other candidates, opening questions to Gingrich & Romney, allowing 20 minute personal back and forth disputes between everyone (again) except Paul and THEN trying to completely ignore him on questions that would directly involve his expertise in the medical field...

Even if you aren't for Paul you have to agree that they are so biased against Ron Paul. I don't understand how they can get away with it.

joecooool418 · 4 months

Abortion to the people on the right is as appalling as gun ownership is to the people on the left.

Here's a hint folks, neither will ever go away. Its just the same old stupid shit that gets dragged out around election time to pull lazy Americans off the couch to go vote.

It pisses me off to no end when I see so many important issues facing our country and we chose to focus our attention to this kind of nonsense.

MaxLevine · 4 months

Man that was amazing, just great on so many levels:

1) It shows people are really interested in Ron Paul's message

2) It made the CNN people look like idiots because it demonstrated that they were intent on giving him (not even) the bare minimum of acceptable time, made evident by the audience DEMANDING that Ron Paul speak (the mod had to stumble around "umm errr... would you like to speak on the matter? ... because I obviously wouldn't have allowed you to otherwise "

3) Ron Paul gave a well thought out, thorough response that we would have otherwise missed thanks to the numbskulls at CNN

flysfo · 4 months

Saw this. John King tried to play dumb.

12on Paul dominated that question like a boss.

JahJahJahJah · 4 months

Just gonna chime in here quickly: I work as a TV news producer in a top 25 market, with a major station affiliate (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, take your pick, we're all the same).

Anyways, I can say, unequivocally, that the mainstream media has been BLATANTLY ignoring Ron Paul. I've blasted out probably over a dozen emails in the last month following our newscasts that berate the rest of the newsroom for not even mentioning Ron Paul in our GOP candidate coverage. And yet the same thing keeps happening: Nobody (besides our chief political correspondent) is even on my side. So unless our main political reporter is on the story for the day, it's guaranteed that Paul will be ignored.

It's a crying shame, the media is, essentially, pandering to the rank-and-file Republican establishment that does not want Paul to get the nomination, simply because he goes against so much of their 'platform.' But whenever I bring it up in our daily meetings, my concerns get brushed aside. Even when our chief political correspondent jumps on my side, points out that Paul is running head-to-head in hypothetical polls against Obama, or that he stands to pull more 18-29 year old voters than any other candidate, it makes no difference. The rest of the staff doesn't give a damn.

I wish I could do more Reddit, but I'm only one man, a recent college graduate, who is grateful to even have the job I have given that so many of my fellow graduates who studied journalism are unemployed. So please, don't shoot the messenger, just understand that I am confirming what so many are saying: the mainstream media is ignoring Ron Paul.

Gurv720 · 4 months

It's interesting to literally see how biased CNN truly is towards Ron Paul. They always put him on the end and only focus the camera on the first three contenders. That question they were going to ask him on Twitter before the audience stepped in was about his foreign policy. The mainstream media is so lame. Not only did Ron Paul not get as nearly enough time as the three stooges arguing over useless shit the entire time, but you have the MSM trying to make him look bad. Shame on CNN!

annoyingmeme · 4 months

It is stunning - During the first 45 minutes of after-debate analysis - the name "Ron Paul" was not mentioned once by a single commentator.

If you ever needed evidence that a vast conspiracy involving many people is possible - well you are watching one in front of your eyes, many people are culpable in this.

How is it the American people are not outraged? Are people THAT DUMB or are they THAT AFRAID?

fcukbear · 4 months

This is one of the reasons I tend to like a guy like Paul so much...

I'm a father and and am still very pro-choice. Paul is very much AGAINST abortion but IS NOT for legislating in such a way.

Paul mentions in the video that giving the power to the states to legislate abortion could result in repealing Roe v Wade overnight. A thought that I very much do NOT agree with.

However, it ALSO allows the more progressive states to GIVE that freedom to the women to continue to make their decisions. It won't be perfect but even Mississippi showed that the US is slowly becoming more progressive with regards to social issues. We're becoming less and less bound to stark blacks and whites and see more colors and allow for context rather than emotion to guide our votes on policy.

People will argue that moving states is too cost prohibitive and that's true, but forcing a woman to leave the COUNTRY is an even worse solution and all the other guys on that stage would be happy to make that a reality.

There is no political Jesus but give me a guy who is willing to let me work to change the system organically and I can live with that. If myself and other voters worked hard to vote for destroying the illegal sex trade by allowing regulated and legalized prositution, I don't want a "Christian" President knocking that down because it would look bad to allow. I would prefer a president to shrug, wag his finger, and protect our ability to vote that way. Same goes for a lot of similar "sinful" laws that currently do more HARM than good.

We constantly complain about the old generation ruining the government and here is one of the older gentlemen fighting for us young whippersnappers to do the very things people like him DO NOT like.

To wit: Paul also said in that debate he's anti drugs but appreciates the responsibility of a President to NOT LEGISLATE MORALITY despite his personal views on it. That's the attitude that allows for us to change. We bash a President one minute as if he controls the whole ship and then later say a President has no power because it's all Congress. Take that power AWAY from Congress if we want shit done. Giving the power to someone who has a 9% approval rate is so ass backwards and yet we continue to think that if we just change out those people it gets better.. but we never do.

It's not about electing a President who wants to legislate morality the way WE want it legislated.. that will never turn out the way we want due to how different the US is and how large it is.

PLUS, localizing issues like a state banning abortion turns a spotlight into a laser and allows extremely focused discussion on the merits and issues with things like gay marriage, etc.

If OWS showed us anything it's that the most important thing is that we get to talking about this at our dinner tables, with friends, etc. The more we talk about these issues the more we often realize that the way they've been painted for decades is out of date and our super-connected world allows for us to effect change much more rapidly and efficiently.

Just my opinion. Not saying it's right.. but I see a lot of good coming from giving states the power to handle their businesses.

I think some states going super red is a great thing because it allows us to focus and put a spotlight on the places in the US that need the most attention with regards to opening minds. Good or bad you can't force people to change their minds. You do it by changing the discussion and providing information.

justonecomment · 4 months

What the media is doing is something called seeding. You may think you have control over what you think, but you really don't. You react to stimuli and with the media blasting 24/7 that its a race between Romney and whomever else, not Paul. They are actually making that happen. Anyone who doesn't actively try and learn more will have that though seeded and it becomes true. It is disgusting.

BaSiiCzxX · 4 months

Its getting pretty ridiculous the bias out there against rp. He never gets fair interviews or fair anything.. How many biased news reports has there been about the the candidates that fail to mention anything about him??

SirDudeGuyFella · 4 months

It's very simple. The media decides who gets to spew on the TV. They can grudgingly let Paul into the debate but that doesn't mean they have to ask him questions or show him on camera.

Could it be any more obvious that the media is not an impartial observer?

powercow · 4 months

what was the medical issue? isnt that a bit critical to the title? I feel like I am reading the punch line but no one told me what the joke was.

bi-polar_with_cars · 4 months

I haven't figured out why the media is so anti-Ron Paul. His views are so unique (unfortunately) that I think he would really drive rating up if they were to begin giving him equal coverage. Instead, they just focus attention on the GOP's flavor of the month.

Hell, Ron Paul with his small government ideas, would be the best thing to EVER happen to the media.

Can ANYONE explain this to me?

Silence2358 · 4 months

They were snuffing Paul the whole night.

shawnfromnh · 4 months

CNN you just put yourself at FOX news morality level. The public view of their journalistic integrity just hit rock bottom.

stonewalls · 4 months

As I am sitting there watching the debate with my kids, we are all amazed as they brazenly skip over Paul, which only was prevented by a screaming live crowd. In even more odd moment, John King does not even quickly and profusely say he is so sorry........he just looks pissed off. John King made a big fool of himself.

I do like Paul in many ways, but dont like his pro-life BS. A pure libertarian would not go there.

Regardless, how can they just Dis Ron Paul like that on live national TV?

smncameron · 4 months

So - to give the context that the OP did not think was relevant. The issue was abortion and Ron Paul came out strongly in favour of overturning Roe v. Wade.

cephas182 · 4 months

It's unbelievable that despite Paul's strong early showings. he STILL receives no respect in these debates. CNN should be ashamed.

nefrina · 4 months

Fuck you, CNN. I'm done with you.

annoyingmeme · 4 months

Interesting to see Redditors who think they are free saying Ron is "fringe."

A "fringe" candidate that won 2nd place in New Hampshire? That has raised more money than anyone but Romney? That has the 2nd highest delegate count? Ron Paul who has more total donors than any other candidate and the most donors from our military?

What is "fringe" about that? Sounds like he should be front and center!

Perhaps you don't realize the MSM elitist talking points that you are programmed to be repeating.

link to video - just watch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYdhuG5q23c

edit - not a straw man, this redditor: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ooafb/gop_debate_the_moderator_john_king_wanted_to_move/c3ire7d

made the comment first.

djm19 · 4 months

Unfortunately, Pauls answer to that question was quite appalling I thought. Right off the bat, to say nobody in the 60s was suffering on the streets without medical care is pulled straight from his ass. And after lying about that he just invokes medicare and medicaid as bad without explaining how that made people's situation worse.

Later in the debate on the topic of abortion he mentions "before the age of abortion". I like Paul, but this and the other comment about medical care is just revealing of his fantasy of a time that never existed.

jlevin18 · 4 months

I really hate how nobody lets him really talk in any of he debates. He always gets the short end of the stick, and it's because they know he's very intelligent and can bitch-slap them all

grayson2 · 4 months

It's simple: the media ignore Ron Paul because they know that they can't buy him.

MrMoustachio · 4 months

That was awesome.

Ouroboros_87 · 4 months

Relevant: Sudden Clarity John King

osakajo · 4 months

This is why I completely respect Ron Paul, despite disagreeing with him on a lot of issues.

Enochx · 4 months

CNN openly dismisses Ron Paul every time they have an opportunity, and when they can't be critical they intentionally attempt to ignore him.

Just review the camera angles of this latest debate. CNN producers showed the 3 other candidates on a wide shot (deliberately cropping out Ron Paul) during the majority of the debate exchanges as well. Only this time the studio audience called Jon King out on his bullshit, and demanded that Jon allow Ron Paul to speak.

The "Israel First" Cabal running CNN REALLY FEAR Ron Paul's message of ending all U.S. foreign aid, shutting down multiple overseas operations, and FINALLY forcing Israel to stand on it's own scares the fuck out of the Zionist-Jew warmongers pushing the U.S. into war with Iran.

redbaronofnews · 4 months

There is a very good reason to bring up Paul's stance on Roe v. Wade, and Casey v. Planned Parenthood. His refusal to support those cases shows the underling hypocritical nature of his platform.

Paul runs on being a champion of rights and civil liberties. Well those two cases deal with civil liberties, and constitutional protections. Not only are they good examples of the federal government, and the Supreme Court standing up for the rights of women to control their own reproduction, but they also help to define the implied right to privacy. A right and protection that the court has established extends from the Fourth Amendment.

This right to privacy is the basis for a number of other cases including Lawrence v. Texas, which overturned Texas laws criminalizing gay sex. And will most likely along with Loving v. Virginia, creates the precedent necessary to support California's Prop 8 being overturned, as well as all the other laws restricting gay marriage across the country.

Further, Paul's position on the issue of abortion shows the underlying popularism of his platform, and establishes that he isn't so much concerned with the government controlling people's lives and restricting human rights and liberties, as long as the removal comports with his own moral compass, and is done by a majority of the people in a given area.

The fact that Paul doesn't get the same amount of media attention as other candidates doesn't in of itself make his positions correct or good. The reason Paul's message doesn't get a lot of press is because it doesn't sell magazines, or advertisements. Ron Paul is really popular to his supporters, but beyond that people don't like the world view he offers.

There are a large number of people who agree with Ron Paul about the problems of the system, but we don't buy his solutions. And that is the major reason he doesn't get more press, because he's good at problems spotting, but his solutions just create more problems. Once again Paul's position on Roe is case and point, Paul observes a problem with the federal government being too intrusive in peoples' private lives, his solution is to take the fed out of the equation and let the states choose. Well this solution isn't really a solution, because now the governmental agency intruding on our private lives is the state, and constitutional law is filled with examples of states intruding on private lives and trampling freedoms. Loving v. Virginia the case that overturned Virginia's law restricting interracial marriage being a great one.

If Paul's position were in place Loving never would have been passed and Virginia as well as every other state would still be able to restrict interracial marriage. Thus, we reject Ron Paul's solution, and choose not to support him, because of his positions on things like Roe.

mpetela · 4 months

Does anyone have a link?

forfauxsake · 4 months

Hahahahaha Paul said ALMOST NOTHING the whole fucking debate. was it "unfair"? yes, but the three stooges were just too good to let this other, semi-rational guy, talk TOO much.

Itsallbolshevik · 4 months

Was this before or after he talked about repealing Roe v. Wade by leaving laws involving access to abortion to the states?

singlerainbow · 4 months

Christ, he's railing against government run healthcare, abortion, and government providing birth control. He then goes on to say abortion happens because of low morals of Americans because of drugs and pornography. Are you fucking kidding me reddit? This guy? This is the guy you're trying to sell us? What an asshole. If I were a paultard, I'd try to hide this video, not broadcast it.

mrpopenfresh · 4 months

Medical doctor who dosen't believe in evolution, dosen't believe in accessible healthcare, and as a OBGYN is anti abortion.

annoyingmeme · 4 months

link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYdhuG5q23c

Waidawut · 4 months

A doctor who doesn't believe in evolution or in mandatory vaccination...

inthesouth · 4 months

Wait, did this motherfucker just say that by allowing states to choose on abortion that you can repeal Roe v Wade over night? This is the person that you all want as our president. Are you crazy or do you want to go back to using coat hangers? WTF

justicia311 · 4 months

And then he goes and spoils it all by saying something stupid like

'Overturn Roe v. Wade'

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