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[–]Rules_of_Acquisition 736 points737 points ago

3: "Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to."

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[–]elementus 150 points151 points ago

God damnit I hate myself so much for instantly knowing a reference to the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.

EDIT: I didn't see the original poster's username before posting this.

[–]Kaltoro 32 points33 points ago

Really? I had a happy nerd moment when I recognized it.

[–]zerothrillz 15 points16 points ago

I hate myself for knowing your reference to the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.

[–]Corrupt_Reverend 27 points28 points ago

I hate you both for no good reason at all.

[–]GeorgeClinton 51 points52 points ago

Unless you are female. In that case you better be butt naked.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

You know... I fancy myself pretty open minded but that bit where they were begging their mom to take her clothes off... I spent the whole time pretty grossed out.

And then it was worse when she did take her clothes off. :(

But I have a general dislike of nudity.

[–]derpinita 24 points25 points ago

Buck naked god dammit.

[–]dreazie_mobbins 13 points14 points ago

Doe naked god dammit!

[–]elementus 64 points65 points ago

4: "A woman wearing clothes is like a man in the kitchen."

[–]ForeverAlone2SexGod 74 points75 points ago

Good lord I hope you will use this gimmick account often.

[–]acertainpointofview 30 points31 points ago

It's over a year old. I'm certain we'll be seeing more of the rules in the near future.

[–]asfarasicansee 57 points58 points ago

Unrelated, but I feel our usernames should mate.

[–]neightdog 21 points22 points ago

surprise wordsecks is the obvious answer

[–]ConnorCG 16 points17 points ago

Neither of them saw it coming.

[–]asfarasicansee 20 points21 points ago

Turns out that was farther than I could see. I'm game for some hot dictionary action so long as you're a cunning linguist!

[–]MHeitman 75 points76 points ago

Words with friends with benefits

[–]Catattack998 6 points7 points ago

This is the best comment-comeback I have seen in forever. Congratulations.

[–]ExpandOrDie 9 points10 points ago

[–]Raidicus 12 points13 points ago

god I have been watching DS9 and I sometimes just go through seasons searching for ferengi episodes. My dad was an entrepeneur and like...i know this is sad, but if I was in star trek I'd be a ferengi

[–]menace64 13 points14 points ago

You are my favorite novelty account.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

She can touch your lobes but never your latinum.

[–]jcrose 5 points6 points ago

Holy shit, I have only just realized that Ron Paul is a Ferengi. This certainly explains a lot. Carry on.

[–]LoafingAround 2 points3 points ago

watching DS9 right now...

[–]supaphly42 12 points13 points ago

34: Acquisition porn.

[–]theminorblues 2 points3 points ago

I read this aloud and my wife said "Thats one of the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition." This is the third time today she amazed me with her nerdy-ness.

[–]bbb2011 10 points11 points ago

I fucking love you

[–]c0pypastry 1 point2 points ago

1+ years... my god it's beautiful.

[–]youbetcha78 359 points360 points ago*

I was deep in the grasps of Wells Fargo (auto loan, credit card, and mortgage) and wanted so badly to move to a credit union. After a very nice telephone conversation with a person at a credit union I found online (most of their employees are former employees of Wells Fargo), I opened accounts a week prior to Bank Transfer Day and marched right through the lobby of Wells Fargo on November 5th to close my accounts. There were 3 other families that came at the same time to close theirs. It was the best Saturday of my life.

I went back last week to meet with my credit union and they bought out my auto loan from Wells Fargo (went from 19% interest to 6%) and used a portion of that refinance to close a Discover Card account as well as make a healthy payment on my WF Visa. I go back this week to get a visa with them and transfer the balance. Judging from the wincing and strange faces that woman at the credit union made when she saw how much interest I was paying on the WF Visa, I'm going to make a guess that it's going to be much lower with them too. So far, just refinancing my auto loan saved me $200/month!

My next target is the mortgage!

Don't think for a second that it's hopeless for your to move your money. I can tell you that it'll be well worth the effort.

And just in case...I'm just going to leave this here

EDIT:Not that it's anybody's business, but since I'm getting slammed with "you're stupid" and "you're lazy" comments, perhaps it's easier to understand that several years ago I was diagnosed with Stage 1 Cancer and had to undergo extensive surgery. That caused me to live with short term disability and things suffered. Sometimes life happens when you least expect it. I'm much better now and everything is back on track. I have a job that pays very well and I got my situation repaired. Pardon me, but fuck you.

[–]xampl9 27 points28 points ago

When I bought a new (to me) truck a couple of years ago, Wachovia/Wells Fargo offered a 9% interest rate. My credit union offered 4.99%, a rate which even the dealer couldn't match.

[–]youbetcha78 8 points9 points ago

That's awesome. To be fair, my original auto loan was created at a time where I lived in an apartment and had student loan debt. Part of it was my own ignorance at the time that if the dealer said, "this is the best I can do for you" that it was the truth. Thanks to you fine folks of Reddit, I know better than to take things at face value.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

Just got 3.2% for an auto loan through my credit union! :)

[–]ebonhand1 15 points16 points ago

What most people do not realize is that if you finance through the dealership, the dealership is allowed to tack on a few extra percentage points to the interest rate offered by the financier. This money goes straight to the dealership's bottom line for the "service" of finding financing for you.

[–]cortana 8 points9 points ago

They are also not required to tell you when they are doing this.

[–]StabbyPants 3 points4 points ago

just get financing before you show up at a dealer. That way, they have to beat your rate if they want the business.

[–]e30kgk 301 points302 points ago

Lol, not sure anyone who got talked into a 19% auto loan should be giving any one advice about well, anything.

[–]MaverickTTT 59 points60 points ago

I was in the same boat. I made mistakes early on and, when the time came to rebuild, I took what I could get. I refinanced a year later (down to 8.9%) when my credit worthiness had been repaired a bit. Just sold that vehicle and now qualify for 1.9% from my CU.

This Redditor has probably learned a lot in repairing/building his credit...enough to be worthy of giving advice.

[–]dmsuperman 171 points172 points ago

How do you think people learn things? Magic? The person who has lived through the most bad experiences is the one best suited to give advice on how to avoid said bad experiences.

Lol. Kids.

[–]youbetcha78 44 points45 points ago

um...yeah....car dealers. Awesome.

[–]ndrew452 54 points55 points ago

My car dealer talked me into a 0.9% interest rate. (This was in 2008). Those money hungry bastards.

[–]goldrogers 14 points15 points ago

I think it depends really on your credit score and income. When I bought my car a year ago I was immediately offered 0% interest for 5 years, but if I had had a lower credit score and lower income, I think the best deal I would've been able to get would have been 6-7%.

[–]bringindabacon 13 points14 points ago

I know! Mine talked me in to an 8.5% rate, except I'm not an idiot so I financed through chase for 2.9%(used car btw)

Having good credit is fun.

[–]gojirra 27 points28 points ago

How's the weather up there on your fucking high horse? This guy is just trying to give hope to people in a bad situation, and you are just a total dick to him. Seriously fuck you. I appreciate that this man is willing to share what he has learned from his mistakes.

[–]znine 21 points22 points ago

It was the best Saturday of my life.

I think you need some hobbies.

[–]demetrios1975 1 point2 points ago

Not sure what kind of rate you'll get, but the Visa from my credit union is at a fixed rate 12.6% It's not super low, but it isn't the 22.9% that I was paying with Capital One, either. I have a 4.8% Car loan with them as well, which isn't terrible considering that Toyota wanted to finance me at 16% and Capital One wanted to do it at 9.9%.

This summer I had a large hospital bill, and my credit union gave me a personal loan for the balance at a pretty decent rate (can't remember off the top of my head).

I've been with my credit union for ten years, and I haven't regretted it a single day. I don't even pay for my checks. I've never really understood why people go to places like BofA or Wells Fargo to get raped.

[–]CheesesOfNazareth 1 point2 points ago

19% auto loan... did you literally pay for your car with a credit card?..

[–]sunnydaize 1 point2 points ago*

I don't know if your auto loan will allow this, but you should take that 200/mo that you're saving and pay off the principal. That will reduce the life of the loan and ultimately save you money on the interest (check the terms of your loan though because they don't all let you do this.) Don't let randos on the internet be dicks to you, or at least don't let them get to you. Congrats on your new savings!!

Edit: You're totally from Minnesota aren't you?

[–]grummet 1 point2 points ago

Pardon me, but fuck you.

Upvoted for polite bold-faced type.

[–]ruzkin 281 points282 points ago

Reading this thread... holy shit, what is wrong with your banks in the US? Australian big banks must be performing some fucking wizardry, because I pay $5 a month for my account with Westpac and earn a steady 6.05% interest on my savings, no term deposit required.

Only now do I understand why you guys are so angry.

[–]halfbeak 92 points93 points ago

The thing is, our interest rates on loans are correspondingly high. Tell an American that the interest rate on a standard mortgage is 7.1% and watch their eyes bug out of their heads.

[–]Pwag 29 points30 points ago

That's metric percents right?

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[–]blarghusmaximus 14 points15 points ago

Step one to buying a house: Save up for an emergen-

Wait, save? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[–]amazinnn 28 points29 points ago

Tens of thousands? Try millions

[–]load_more_comets 24 points25 points ago

Millions? Try billions.

[–]iamlew 5 points6 points ago

I figured it out. Rack up student loans. Get credit score raised. Take out house loan. Sell house. Pay off student loans. Bankruptcy. I'm a financial genius.

[–]Mehowthegreat 3 points4 points ago

How bad is this student debt you have down there? Do you guys have something similar to OSAP (Ontario Student assistance program). Where you go can get student loans from the government. Don't have to pay a cent while your in school, don't have to pay interest for another 6 months until you graduate or drop out. And then on your interest starts to build and stupidly low.... Do you guys have that or do you have to go to the banks?

[–]bananafeller 10 points11 points ago

the problem is down there they have insanely high tuition. The loan becomes the issue they can get easy but they can't pay it back....Luckily i live in Quebec and pay 4k a year for McGill.

[–]madyoulie 244 points245 points ago

It's not that simple. Earning interest on US Dollars is not the same as earning interest on Australian dollars. Specifically, there's a principle called 'interest rate parity' that says effective interest rates should be 'about' the same globally. In order for this principle to hold, the AUD should depreciate against the USD when US interest rates are lower, otherwise I could exchange my USD for AUD and invest my dollars at higher effective interest rates than is possible in the US market (this is called a carry trade).

Of course, for various more complicated reasons the US interest rate is artificially low, so your point of 'holy shit' is correct. However, this is due to the behavior of investors in US markets, not due to banks (or not directly, at least).

[–]Papariko 109 points110 points ago

sooooooooooooo, wizadry.

[–]WhyAllTheUpvotes 38 points39 points ago

Here the usual ''magic, got it'' comment has been replaced by an improvised version conveying the same emotion, albeit with a spelling mistake.

[–]TrainOfThought6 15 points16 points ago

Honestly, I hate both of those cookiecutter comments. I know it's a joke, but it reflects that the OP is unwilling to even try and grasp the concept, and that's just shameful.

[–]lizard_king_rebirth 4 points5 points ago

OP didn't make the comment.

[–]thinsoldier 3 points4 points ago

I'm in the Bahamas where $1 is only a fraction of a penny less than $1 USD and our interest rates are unbelievably low.

One of my accounts get under 1% interest paid only twice a year

[–]sculptedpixels 1 point2 points ago

this is due to the behavior of investors in US markets, not due to banks (or not directly, at least).

well, plus the fact that the banks are often engaged in market speculation and investing....

[–]coooolbeans 1 point2 points ago

So has the AUD depreciated correspondingly to the USD in the past few years?

[–]tyrryt 1 point2 points ago

this is due to the behavior of investors in US markets,

No, it is due completely to the policies of the fed and their backers in congress.

[–]brolix 1 point2 points ago

this is due to the behavior of investors in US markets, not due to banks

ahem, who do you think the investors large enough to influence the markets are?

Hint: banks lol

[–]ElwoodDowd 19 points20 points ago

I need to find a way to get my money into an Australian bank...

[–]ruzkin 25 points26 points ago

Send me all your money. I'll send it back in a year, plus interest.

[–]ElwoodDowd 24 points25 points ago

Hmmm, seems fishy.

To confirm your legitimacy, can you send me an email from a prince?

[–]ruzkin 13 points14 points ago

I know a few princes. I'll get right back to you.

[–]TheOnlyNeb 45 points46 points ago

I hear the trick is to move to Australia. Sssssssh!

[–]Khatib 55 points56 points ago

I've seen those fucking spider pictures. No way man. No way.

[–]TheOnlyNeb 92 points93 points ago*

With huge spiders come honest banking facilities.

-- Albert Einstein

[–]combatpicks 51 points52 points ago

I see what you mean.

-- Helen Keller

[–]TheSheepdog 21 points22 points ago

I'm over here Helen. -- Anne Sullivan

[–]Konchshell 30 points31 points ago

Where? --Ray Charles

[–]mjbat7 26 points27 points ago

What?! -- Lil Jon

[–]dizzi800 2 points3 points ago

Huh? - Nate Dern

[–]TheSheepdog 12 points13 points ago

URRHAGHAARHHG --Helen Keller

[–]ElwoodDowd 27 points28 points ago

But my money comes from not-Australia! This planet should be easier.

[–]NolanRoss 19 points20 points ago

So we need to take the money from not-australia and move it to is-australia. This is certainly a predicament.

[–]Replekia 14 points15 points ago

Doesn't turning not-australia money upside down make it compatible with is-australia banks? If not Reddit has greatly misled me.

[–]ex_ample 7 points8 points ago

And not only that the value of the Australian dollar has been going up, relative to USD So if you were looking at your value in terms of USD you're earning MORE then 4.8% Starting from 2007 you're actually making an additional six per-cent per year compared if you look at it in dollars.

The value dropped in '08 but jumped back up in '09

[–]ankyle 2 points3 points ago

woah, I need to open up a savings account in Australia. Link to bank with anything close to that high?

[–]MorrigansRaven 5 points6 points ago

NAB is about the same with no monthly fees at all

[–]ruzkin 8 points9 points ago

Yeah, and INGDirect look pretty good as well - 6.1% with no fees. I'm very tempted to switch.

[–]cassydd 4 points5 points ago

Keep in mind that the 6.1% is an introductory rate - it drops to 4.75% after 4 months. UBank has a rate of 5.61% with a .5% bonus if you make a deposit during that month (6.11% total). Not as good as it used to be but still pretty decent.

[–]denizen42 1 point2 points ago

apparenty not angry enough, and way too late

[–]anikas88 1 point2 points ago

your exporting a ton of natural resources (aka real wealth) thus improving your economy...i dont know shit about banking just throwing shit out there

[–]mylastbreath 1 point2 points ago

Don't even mention BPay, or how quick and easy it is to transfer money to someone elses account, even an account at a different bank, in Australia. The US (and Canada) might invade.

[–]Dr_Scientist_ 219 points220 points ago*

This is false. Right now, interest rates are higher at credit unions than at most major commercial banks on average. It is also true that savings interest and interest from CDs is rock bottom compared to even just ten years ago at virtually every bank in the US.

However, the figure you've quoted in the title is either grossly exaggerated or the result of incredulously choosy banking habits. If you want to defend the title on its merits you need to show that your credit union's 1 month interest rate is so great that your deposit made a higher return than your 120 compounding months of previous banking history. Given this chart, pulled from creditunionsonline.com advertising this very issue, you're wrong by a huge magnitude. Given interest rates now, this should actually work the other way around. I would believe that 1 month of savings interest 10 years ago would give you more than what you can get at today's rate for ten years into the future.

I get it, banks were involved in an financial gang-rape of the world economy. But if you think you're doing anyone a favor by deliberately misrepresenting the financial benefits of a credit union you're mistaken.

[–]laminak 85 points86 points ago

OP said elsewhere it was 6% on the first $1000 (or $60 a year). Ergo it's a promotional rate, similar to Chase's "open an account and get $100 cash deal." I'll further assume OP's never really had much money and that's why he's gotten more interest in one month than in 10 years.

This title and post is a credit union circle jerk, but certainly there are many people that might stand to make a few more bucks switching to a CU.

[–]schala09 10 points11 points ago

First of all, many banks do not pay any interest at all on checking accounts. If OP switched to a credit union that does pay interest on checking, then voila. Even a penny is more than $0.

Second, even if OP is talking about savings accounts, you also need to factor in fees. Let's say that OP was previous in an account that paid 0.13% (the savings average, from that chart). That's about $1.30 a year. If their account charged even a $5 annual fee, then there goes all of your interest, even when you consider compounding.

[–]phanboy 1 point2 points ago

I'm support the idea of credit unions, but my Discover Bank savings account pays 1.0% interest. This is the highest I could find, including at my local credit union.

[–]Chicken-n-Waffles 69 points70 points ago

What product did you buy because standard Money Market savings are practically the same everywhere.

A 90 day CD is a dismal .1-.04 percent. You had to buy something above the $50,000 range to get a 30 day return like that.

[–]lifeislame[S] 79 points80 points ago

BECU offers 6% interest on the first combined $1000 between checking and savings. That's $60 a year, or $5 a month. Their CDs offer up to .95% even on small amounts. Verity pays 2.5% in checking up to the first $10,000. I have seen other ones that pay 2% up to the first $20,000, if you meet certain conditions (like using your debit card a lot).

Shop around. Sounds like your bank is awful. Find a credit union.

[–]Chicken-n-Waffles 37 points38 points ago

Those CD rates are across the board. I've been looking.

My CU pays .15% for a MM up to $50K.

But shit, 6%!!!! Those are practically 90s prime rates!!

[–]stockbroker 86 points87 points ago

Except it's 6% on $1,000.

[–]KernelD 58 points59 points ago

I'm actually okay with the trend of offering higher interest rates for the first X dollars. That means that it's basically the little guys that benefit.

[–]junkit33 45 points46 points ago

There's nothing wrong with the little guys benefitting, but it's the big guys that banks care about. Offering 6% on $1000 isn't worth the hassle of switching to somebody with 50K in a savings account if the interest on the remaining 49K is crap.

Thus if the goal is to take down the large banks, credit unions aren't going to do it with mickey mouse offers like 6% on the first $1000.

[–]Bobinater 48 points49 points ago

Credit unions goals aren't to take down big banks though. A credit Union is meant to work for there members and most members of a credit union will be grateful for that offer.

[–]BarackObamazing 18 points19 points ago

It seems your thinking is too short sighted. Banks and credit unions offer services that people need throughout their life, and it is a hassle for customers to switch institutions. If a credit union 6% interest offer gets my meager business when I am a student with $1000 to my name, they are more likely me as a customer years later when I've got real income, real investments, and need a mortgage.

Maybe previous generations tolerate predatory banking practices, but I hope we Millennials make more informed and responsible choices with our money. I'm a college student who switched to a credit union because I was tired of ridiculous BofA fees. The CU is obviously more honest and fair than BofA. In ten years, when I need a mortgage and have real savings, my positive CU and negative big bank experiences will influence my choice of lender.

Benefits for the little guy are brilliant for CUs because they encourage social mobility for the average customer, who in the future is then more likely to be a big guy who is loyal to his credit union.

[–]ex_ample 7 points8 points ago

Is someone with $50k in savings really going to keep it sitting in a checking account? Don't most people put that kind of cash in investment vehicles?

[–]mihoda 8 points9 points ago

Yes. Except when there is considerable uncertainty in those investment vehicles, perhaps combined with a poor outlook in general. Then cash is king.

[–]Bobinater 5 points6 points ago

Credit unions goals aren't to take down big banks though. A credit Union is meant to work for there members and most members of a credit union will be grateful for that offer.

[–]KernelD 5 points6 points ago

Yes. It's the big guys they care about. But as long as the little guy can squeeze out a slightly higher effective rate, what's the problem? (Well, other than the fact that it probably won't last.)

[–]junkit33 13 points14 points ago

There's no 'problem' per se, but it's fair to point out that 6% on the first $1000 isn't something to get terribly excited about. It's really no different than the banks that offer you $100 to open a new account. (In fact, it's worse) Ultimately it's just a gimmick.

Also, $1000 is the littlest of the little guys. If you have less than $1000 in savings, you're truly living paycheck to paycheck at that point. It's entirely possible that the little guy has significantly more than $1000 in savings, and he may end up better in a bank.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points ago

Also, $1000 is the littlest of the little guys. If you have less than $1000 in savings, you're truly living paycheck to paycheck at that point.

aw, do you have to rub it in?

[–]SuperSoggyCereal 6 points7 points ago

Open multiple accounts

Place $1000 in each

Profit

[–]sarcastic_smartass 13 points14 points ago

Yeah it's bad for the economy though. See, if people get higher rates of interest on their first thousand or so, it encourages them to save money and think about purchases. This seem like it might reduce the opportunities to ream those people for miscellaneous fees and otherwise bend them over.

There are currently bank execs who have been forced to slow the rate of expansion on their yacht fleets from 3 new boats per year to only two. Since we all know that they are the ones who drive the economy, this whole "being responsible with your money" stuff is a potential market crasher.

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[–]rydan 13 points14 points ago

I remember those days. Teachers would tell us in high school about how important it was to put something like 15% into savings no matter what and then tell us how much money we'd have after so many years. Everyone always used 6% as an example. The next year I went to college and could not get anything better than 2.75%. A year later it was less than 0.50% and today is 0.10%. Makes more sense to spend money as quickly as possible at interest rates like that.

[–]painahimah 6 points7 points ago

Check out Ally.

Their MM rates are 1%, CDs are even better.

[–]shaggy99 5 points6 points ago

Ally is/was GMAC. Don't know if I trust them.

[–]painahimah 8 points9 points ago

I worked for them for about year, and they're fully FDIC insured.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

Shaggy means trust as in "are they gonna charge me hidden fees or mismanage my money," not "are they gonna collapse".

[–]painahimah 15 points16 points ago

Not sure why I'm being downvoted. I worked in their call center for a year, no hidden fees, no OD charged for first $10 overdraft, then the fee is $9. If you don't like them don't go with them, but that's where I keep my savings accounts and I work for a different bank now.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points ago

I'm all for CU's and I've been working with a CU for most of my financials for about 10 years, but OP title is a bit deceptive. If you would've put that same money on a straddled CDs or money market in those 10 years, you would have made substantially more money in interest than you made in the last 30 days in your CU. Sounds like you were looking for confirmation bias rather that giving a true statement of the benefits.

[–]stickfickerton 2 points3 points ago

BECU! yeahhhh!

[–]ManiacalV 1 point2 points ago

Don't forget: making more interest than at a bank doesn't mean they are making a lot, it just means they were making far less.

I switched to a smaller bank a year or so ago and between no fees and any interest at all, plus $.10 a swipe on my debit card, I'm doing much better than a a big bank. I'm making a nickle here, a dime there, but it's more than I ever saw at U.S. Bank (which was 0).

[–]Gareth321 1 point2 points ago

Your interest rates are abysmal. I suppose that's the result of keeping the official lending rate so low.

[–]omegared9 23 points24 points ago

Just found out that I have been paying a 9 dollar monthly service fee at WellsFargo, can not wait to go back stateside and toss this fucking bank.

[–]frogger_is_dead 1 point2 points ago

Same story here. I had to switch to a college way2save account to avoid a service fee. Catch is that i must have at least 500 in my checking at all times or the fee will return. All of this is pretty frustrating.

[–]WinterAyars 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, my bank just recently tacked a $10/mo fee onto my checking. They're only open while i'm at work (wtf??) but as soon as i can i'm going in there and closing that shit down.

[–]imidan 9 points10 points ago

I've been putting my extra money in Discover savings. They used to be a lot higher, but now they're down to about 1% apy. Still, I make $.07 per month on $2000 in my major bank savings account and on the same amount at Discover I'd make about $1.66. So, it'd take about 2 years to make as much on interest at my main bank as at Discover. Obviously, it's still not a great way to Get Rich Quick. But it's an okay place to store my emergency fund. And just inconvenient enough to get at that I'm not tempted to blow it on something stupid.

Right now, my local credit unions could not do better for me than the big banks that I'm using. But I'm hyper-vigilant, and don't pay fees at the banks I use. The moment they start charging fees that I can't get around is when I move to the credit union.

[–]3932695 22 points23 points ago

Alright I'm an ignorant overseas student who only knows how to do homework and exams.

What would I lose/gain from swapping out of Bank of America into a Credit Union? Wikipedia doesn't really help me.

Thanks in advance.

[–]Hand_Sanitizer3000 15 points16 points ago

the biggest thing is that credit unions are non profit organizations, and the board of directors is made up of members of the credit union, so you can expect them to do whatever it takes to give a good service to the members. The problem is sometimes even the member based board of directors can have a "misallocation" of funds, and suddenly their vacation to the Galapagos Islands is free, and it is expensed as a business trip. Happened at my credit union

[–]jerisad 40 points41 points ago

Basically they're smaller & user-owned, so when big banks want to implement a new fee they can just do that, credit unions can't do that so easily. Plus they don't make a profit, so whatever profits they still have left after costs & paying employees go back to members. You also get the benefit of having lots & lots of free credit unions nation-wide (find one that's in the co-op), most credit unions have very sophisticated online banking systems, & you get the satisfaction of knowing you're not supporting a very corrupt system & making the rich even richer.

-Someone else can probably explain better but these are the benefits I'm aware of.

[–]TheOnlyNeb 2 points3 points ago

I don't know if we have that kind of thing in France (I doubt it, because I imagine credit unions happened because a lot of people were pissed off by the way big banks were treating them or their clients, and we're not as bad here), but this sounds very awesome.

[–]cdwillis 8 points9 points ago

The French have credit unions. They're called caisse populaire or banque populaire.

[–]kamikazewave 7 points8 points ago

At your university you should have a local university credit union. Drop by one day and ask them what the benefits of opening an account are.

At mine, it was

  1. higher interest rates in savings
  2. no atm fees
  3. hooked me up with a credit card with no fees
  4. lower interest rates on loans
  5. really low interest car and mortgage loans.

[–]drdoooom 5 points6 points ago

Any cons?

[–]mugsnj 11 points12 points ago

I hate self posts that give no details. If what you're saying is true, then frankly you made bad decisions for 10 years. It was just a few years ago that you could get 3-4% interest on savings accounts at banks. So if you've earned more interest in one month than in the last 10 years, then you screwed up for the last 10 years.

Either you had all of your money in a checking account that didn't pay interest (dumb), or you suddenly have 100 times more money than you had for the last 10 years.

[–]Writers_bloc 6 points7 points ago

There is another Bank Transfer Day set for December! Let's make round 2 another success.

[–]jcmcbeth 5 points6 points ago

Is closing my bank account going to hurt my credit? Currently I have an account and credit card with Wells Fargo. I have had my bank account since I was 18. Would that count as one of my lines of credit, thus closing my oldest line of credit? Or is that not considered in your credit history?

[–]Erunave 3 points4 points ago

No it will not. However, closing lines of credit will (but I dont work for a credit bureau so I couldnt tell you how many points).

[–]Gordonb0mbay 4 points5 points ago

I worked at a small community CU for a good amount of time recently and our rates were always a little bit better than the big bank average on almost everything(except loans, you can't really beat them there[on rates i mean])

[–]rawr-r 2 points3 points ago

Is there much difference between big banks and a ponzi scheme? The CEOs take huge bonuses and hope every customer doesn't withdraw their cash at the same time. The banks however doesn't just close and keep everyone's money because the government keeps bailing it out. This seems pretty outrageous.

[–]FalconOne 3 points4 points ago

Similar experience for myself. after about 8 years with a big bank, My first month at a credit union net'd me more interest than the 8 years I was with the big banks.

8 years at big bank = $.01 interest

1 Month at Credit Union = $.40

I know my figures from this, every month I keep a report of banking records/statements. that 1 cent in interest I got form a big bank took me by surprise when I saw it in a statement, so much so that I actually noted it on my records for review at tax time in case there were more, sadly, there was not.

[–]Simmerj94 11 points12 points ago*

I'd feel bad leaving USAA though :x

EDIT: Typo.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points ago

There's no reason to leave USAA. I use USAA primarily for doing bill pay and writing checks, however I link that account to another bank that pays higher interest than USAA, which I use for the bulk of my savings.

[–]living_in_the_future 5 points6 points ago

Don't you dare leave usaa .

[–]19Kilo 6 points7 points ago

Kinda this. USAA has been AWESOME for a lot of things.

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[–]gamma57309 42 points43 points ago

So, I feel the need to share my experience with a credit union. I recently moved and decided it would be an excellent time to switch my money to a credit union. I went in and told them that I'd like to open a checking account and then they let me know that I didn't have the right kind verification. Of course, it took 3 minutes of the first woman I talked to and when she didn't know if what I had counted as proof of residence, another woman came up and, at the same time, berated her co-worker and bluntly told me to come back with the right forms. Fine.

I come back with my lease a few days later (he had to mail it to me) and this time I get shunted off to a manager, who then tells me that my lease isn't good enough. What was good enough though, was bringing in my driver's license, social security card, passport, lease, and a bank statement. When I explained that none of those things had my current residence on them except the lease, she said it didn't matter. Right...

Finally, I make it back to the credit union with everything she wanted. This is when I found out for the first time that I'm required to also open a savings account. Not really a big deal and it really doesn't hurt, except having to put in $100 just to open the checking account I needed. Then I find out that if I ever use my debit card as a debit card I would be charged a $1.50 surcharge, so I always needed to use credit. When I asked why, she laughed and said that's just the way it is.

I've had my money there for 2 months now. Tomorrow, I'm closing my accounts and transferring them to a local bank. So, while it's great that some credit unions work really well, not all do, so don't forget your local banks.

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[–]GabrielBacon 8 points9 points ago

Agree, I

[–]Quasifrodo 49 points50 points ago

I'd say you chose poorly. My wife and I spent a saturday afternoon looking on the web and found a great CU that let us sign up on line without setting foot in a branch. They also let us deposit checks by smartphone (all platforms).

Convenience is available if you shop well!

[–]anonarchist 6 points7 points ago

Got a link? Or at least a name?

[–]Quasifrodo 4 points5 points ago

DCU, AKA: Digital Federal Credit Union.

[–]junkit33 47 points48 points ago

There are crappy banks and great credit unions, and crappy credit unions and great banks. And everything in between. Reddit gets a little irrational about the whole credit union thing - they most certainly do not all poop gold into your deposit box on a monthly basis.

[–]Yiggs 26 points27 points ago

they most certainly do not all poop gold into your deposit box on a monthly basis.

Do you know where I can find a list of these gold poop donating CUs?

[–]xampl9 9 points10 points ago

Part of that isn't the CU's fault -- it's the USA PATRIOT Act that requires the banking institution to require government photo id when opening new accounts.

It's allegedly to prevent money laundering that would go to fund terrorists...

[–]ex_ample 9 points10 points ago

A lot of credit unions are only allowed to give accounts to people who live in a certain area, whereas a bank will let anyone get an account, regardless of where they live.

[–]TrustMeImHigh 6 points7 points ago

I wouldn't have gone back after the second run-around. Check out Navy federal Credit Union.

[–]Pr0metheusMusic 5 points6 points ago*

I'm joining chase tomorrow. They sent me a "free $200 if you deposit $100, and leave it in your account for 10 days." ad, where the only stipulation was that the account was $10/month (edit) and the account has to stay open for 6 months. Thanks for the $140, Chase!

[–]johnnyhala 2 points3 points ago

Probably a rewards checking account, which are not as common as they used to be.

[–]daveswagon 3 points4 points ago

Here's a comparison of rewards checking accounts offered across the country: http://www.depositaccounts.com/checking/reward-checking-accounts.html

I've had mine for two months now and am making 4.09% APY (provided I make at least 12 debit card purchases a month, which is a typical requirement).

Definitely doesn't offer the same slick online interface you get from a big bank, but it's hard to argue with that kind of interest rate.

[–]alwaysFumbles 2 points3 points ago

Me too. I got perhaps $5 in interest from BOA last year. Two weeks after switching to First Tech Credit Union, I received a "member's dividend" credit for $14.

[–]shitshowmartinez 2 points3 points ago

I received a letter the other day that citibank is going to start charging $20/month for checking if you dont have $15,000 with them. I've had that account for 11 years, its just plain ridiculous. I will be switching as soon as I can.

[–]broflcopter 2 points3 points ago

I actually made the reverse switch because my CU was giving me like .15% APY and found a bank that gives 1.01%.

[–]ESqu13R 2 points3 points ago

Every day is bank transfer day.

[–]1finefeline 2 points3 points ago

I'm a total noob when it comes to this whole credit union vs. bank thing. Anyone want to provide a simple explanation for the what and why of switching? I absorb information better when someone explains...I've not had a super ton of luck googling.

[–]Im-postle-able 2 points3 points ago

Wow.. if that's an accurate statement, how did you not realize how badly you were getting screwed BEFORE the occupy movement made you accidently get a better account?

[–]kainsavage 2 points3 points ago

The only thing I learned from this post is that no discussion of the following seemed to ever ensue:

  • Credit Unions versus big banks in terms of interest earned
  • Bank Transfer Day

I did learn something about Star Trek, however.

[–]anonoman925 6 points7 points ago

Is BECU FDIC?

[–]vaaaase 35 points36 points ago

No, but yes. "No" because only banks are protected by FDIC. Credit Unions have their own insurance through NCUA, so in the sense of "Is your money at BECU insured?" the answer is "yes."

[–]jeffinfremont 13 points14 points ago

If Occupy Wall Street is going to coalesce around a unified message, this needs to be it.

OWS needs to be all about encouraging people to get out of the TBTF banks and into local institutions like credit unions. I know there there are hundreds of other issues that OWS is concerned about, but in terms of a short-term mission, this needs to be it.

They can begin measuring their success when Citibank, BoA, Wells Fargo, and Chase branches begin to close for lack of interest.

[–]majorminotaur 13 points14 points ago

yeah, no definitely not. It needs to be election reform and campaign finance/governmental corruption reform. The banks being the evil guy is just a symptom of a sick country. If we had regulations in place (like we did), we wouldn't be in this mess, and banks wouldn't be evil.

[–]GrinningPariah 1 point2 points ago

You know you can only transfer your money once, right?

[–]BafflerMeat 1 point2 points ago

I'm Canadian, and recently (well, May-ish) switched to TD at the suggestion of various family and coworkers because it's 'more convenient'. I've been charged from buttfuck and back for things I don't need, do or sign up for. I never even stopped doing business with the credit union. I'm sick of being broke because of all of these bullshit fees. Is it as big a deal to switch back, being Canadian and comparatively safe thanks to our 'Big Three' bank system?

[–]imnotverycr8ive 1 point2 points ago

I couldn't agree more. I use Lake Michigan Credit Union (Western Michigan area) and I get 3% checking up to $15K. They refund up to $15 in ATM fees every month too, which if used, is the biggest savings.

[–]aruss88 1 point2 points ago

May I ask how much? I might transfer if its a substantial amount

[–]ashishduh 1 point2 points ago

My CU pays .60% on standard MM savings, JSCFCU.

[–]mrafaeldie12 1 point2 points ago

I actually participate in credit union myself in brazil,its quite profitable,everyone wins.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

I'm doing it!...just as soon as I actually have money.

[–]MaverickTTT 1 point2 points ago

Truth.

I started moving my money last month from Wells Fargo to a credit union. I had checking, savings, credit card, and an auto loan with Wells Fargo...tomorrow, I close the checking and savings (the final remaining accounts and finalize the migration.

Virtually everything Wells Fargo offered is available to me at my new CU. Sure, the CU website may not be as snazzy and the ATM's may not have as many cool features...but, the people are nice and helpful.

I only wish I had done this sooner.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

I'd love to join you, but as a self employed video editor in NYC, I can't seem to find a credit union who wants my business. They all insist that I have to be a government employee, ex military or work for some obscure company that I've never heard of.

Shame, looks like I'm sticking with bank of America.

[–]update_in_progress 1 point2 points ago

So in the spirit of sticking it to the greedy, irresponsible big banks I too have been planning to switch out of BofA into a credit union (In a few paychecks I can finish paying off my BofA credit card).

However I really have come to depend on the "my portfolio" feature that BofA online banking has. It lets you automatically track, categorize, and analyze all of your income and expenses from any financial account (e.g. I have my capital one card on there as well). It's pretty awesome, helps me stay on top of my budget/finances.

Do you guys know of any non-big banks that have services like this?

[–]nigelthebign 2 points3 points ago

Try mint.com

[–]Rhawk187 1 point2 points ago

Sounds like you should have shopped around more beforehand.

[–]TwistTurtle 1 point2 points ago

How successful was Bank Transfer Day, by the way? can anyone summarise it for me? Preferably in easy to digest graph form since I'm not that good at understanding money issues... I know the first day damages were pretty notable but beyond that I've not heard much.

[–]smoondog 1 point2 points ago

I don't get it. I bank at chase. I have retirement (tax deferred and investment accounts) through fidelity. i don't keep a savings account, i generally put extra money in fidelity.

I put all of my expenses through my chase cc, which gives me money back. I make probably $1-2k/yr on that. I pay off full every month, so no fees. So, in the end, chase pays me a nontrivial amount every year and charges me almost nothing. I don't really get this complaint, i use only big banks and they are pretty good to me, i think. (i just work at a university, and not wealthy by any means)

[–]MonsterIt 1 point2 points ago

What interest? I've never heard of any interest.

[–]wutsgudhomz 1 point2 points ago

Hi. I am 18, I live in Canada and am thinking of switching my funds from a bank to a credit union. Whats the difference between the two? Pros and Cons... I don't understand how banks work, I just started using the same bank my dad has.

[–]Hewkii 1 point2 points ago

If you fellow redditors have to stay at a Bank go USAA, even if you're not part of the military/family of military you can still open a savings & checking account with them, and they basically act like a credit union anyway. it's great.

[–]mambypambyland 1 point2 points ago

The stupid in this thread is astounding...but then again this is reddit.

[–]sweYoda 1 point2 points ago

You can't earn money by saving it in the bank. At the very best your could get as much money as high the inflation is.

[–]ilikewc3 1 point2 points ago

If we do the math on this we see that there is no way that this is true... to do some easy math lets say op has 100 bucks at wellsfargo for 8 years with 1% interest. to match that in 1 month op's credit union would have to be paying him 8% per MONTH which is kind of outrageous yea?

[–]kickbackandenjoi 1 point2 points ago

BRAVO!

[–]zero20 1 point2 points ago

My mom is a single mother. She has worked at a bank for 35 years, since she was 18. She has raised me in a house she couldnt afford and sent me to a university that was out of her price range. I can't turn on this bank.

[–]nepidae 1 point2 points ago

remember remember the 5th of the month

[–]PizzaGood 1 point2 points ago*

And I make 4x more at my on-line bank (Ally) than I can at the best local credit union. Both are better than brick-and-mortar banks though.

I have had a credit union account for about 25 years now, and it's our family's primary, but I move my savings into the online bank for the better interest and honestly, just as good service and better rates on everything. If it weren't for trying to support a local credit union by giving them our business, I'd just use the online bank exclusively. Using the local CU is basically charity.

Though I agree, any credit union is better than most banks. An old sock under a mattress is better than some banks.

[–]angreesloth 1 point2 points ago

I'm not here to be the negative nellie, but my credit union hasn't done shit for me. They still charge me for using my pin number, which was explicitly stated on my agreement would not happen. They have one office that is out of the way, and the only reason I'm with them is because they were the only people that would even accept the car loan, which btw had a cosigner with credit in the top percent of the nation. Not to mention I was told there was no way I was going to pay over 200, but I am every month (although that might be the dealer's fault, they managed to tack on about 2k extra worth of crap and because I thought my parents actually know things, I get to pay extra.) I know banks suck, but that doesn't mean credit unions are the god send everyone seems to think they are. If everyone switches to a credit union, they will eventually become just as corrupt as banks

TL;DR I'm just as shafted by a credit union as a bank, don't act like they're the greatest thing since sliced bread just because you were getting bent over by your bank.

[–]evrydayiderp 1 point2 points ago

Are all credit unions basically the same or are there some that are better than others? Also, if i'm a student can I still get a student loan from a credit union?