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[–]fatkatnomore 303 points304 points ago

Those posts were the main attraction to the site for me. I miss being flooded with them each day. They kept me going. I don't like the new system at all.

[–]LockedLips 145 points146 points ago

Yeah, the best motivation for me is the weight loss pictures. Lets get them back!!

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points ago*

I'm gonna piggyback on top level comments here, and apologies for that. But here's a proposal - let's have a fair, democratically selected set of rules for this community. Let us put each and every single one of the new rules to vote. Put up the voting links (the mods can use polldaddy.com or something similar to what /r/f7u12 did two months ago) on the sidebar, let it run for a couple of weeks. Then, implement the rules as the community sees fit.

The mods are not evil around here, I feel. Let's give them the benefit of doubt and see how they handle this snafu. But here's the thing - the existing rules just cannot survive. Regulars of this sub agree overwhelmingly below that the tone and feel of the subreddit has changed, and not for the better. Before it morphs into something beyond salvage, the mods need to get their heads out of the sand, and do something.

Edited to add - this is actually a pretty serious issue, not just your typical subreddit drama. Many of us here have managed to lose a lot of weight solely because of loseit. I know I have. The kind of positive reinforcement and support one gets here is not found in real life. Pause, and think about it, mods. This sub is actually a huge part of some of the subscribers' lives. It is held dear by many because it has had such a huge and positive impact on our lives.

Please don't mess it up.

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[–]ltjboy03 48 points49 points ago

I really hate to disagree with a mod, but I must. The biggest reason I started losing weight was seeing people losing massive amounts of weight. So in my opinion, dealing with a slight onslaught of progress pics to give even ONE person like me the courage to start changing their lives is totally worth it.

I don't know about you, but the only thing I want right now is to be able to post up my first progress pic and to FINALLY hear some good words of encouragement simply from a photo. I want to be in that club more than anything. To simply be corralled into a weekly post or another sub with a fraction of subscribers does people like me a great injustice.

[–]p109b6 9 points10 points ago

A huge piece of motivation for me was knowing that in a few months, i was going to be posting pictures of my transformation here. (it'll be on my 12 months, and i'm now motivated purely by trying to get the maximum amount of change, and to blow everyone's minds lol)

I can understand the mods motivations for attempting to improve the quality of posts, but they seem to have missed the importance of quantity too. Being able to come here and always find someone posting a new thread with some kind of (S|NS) victory is incredibly motivating and keeps you in that "I want that" mindset constantly.

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[–]mehcore 28 points29 points ago

But if you've posted more than one progress pic, say a NSV as well as a SV in the space of a month or so, why bother to rewrite or duplicate the info? A ton of great progress posts are lost in the weekly roundup threads, I originally started coming to loseit to see the changes in people as the headed towards their goal, a picture speaks a thousand words and I'd rather see just a plain old imgur album link than an essay of the same old stuff I've read in 20 posts already.

So lets see, based on the current rules for new posts:

  • NSV pictures = No
  • Milestone pictures = Nope
  • Progress galleries = Nada
  • Useful links = Impossible
  • Linking to your progress blog without needing to duplicate info = Like hell you are
  • First day goals = Don't even think about it

Without these types of posts what are we left with? Posts about "cheat days" and pseudo-complaining help posts. Honestly, a step backwards in my opinion.

[–]dripless_cactus 20 points21 points ago*

I'll re-read what you posted, when you start paying attention to what we are telling you.

Edit: I re-read what you posted and your replies to the messages underneath and you still aren't getting it. Making loseit into a self-post only subreddit is the issue at hand. This alone has discouraged progress pictures, and the system was fine as it was, with people posting imgur links and describing their story in comments. If they didn't describe their story, so what? Assuming they were upvoted anyway, it means that the picture was awesome enough and inspiring to the community.

[–]organixmatter 31 points32 points ago

The ONLY rule we've changed about Progress Pictures is that you have to add some sort of information about how you lost the weight. That's it.

And you have to make it a self.post. It's very hard now to filter out the threads with the progress pics. Since the new rules I have hardly seen any new progress pics and loesit lost almost all attraction to me. please consider to change the rules about self.post and stop over moderating a subreddit which was working just fine.

[–]ltjboy03 16 points17 points ago

But what if I just want to post an imgur link? If the issue is karma, that's absolutely ludicrous.

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[–]jenchan13 6 points7 points ago

why not just reply with info after posting? If its good info it will be the top comment.

[–]mehcore 7 points8 points ago

Unless people have it already written out its highly unlikely they'll get a chance to post the info. Its seems that posts are removed/withheld that don't follow the add all the info rule usually a short time after being posted. This subreddit was intended to support people on their weight loss journey and theres nothing more disheartening than finding out that your progress thread has been withheld with nothing more than a reply referring you to post in the meta thread where your progress will probably be lost in the mass of other posts if you don't end up posting on the day that the thread goes up. Realistically with the way reddit voting and ordering of posts works, the only option to make sure everyone gets a fair view is to either:

  • Have a submission thread with an end of the week follow up with all the progress pics in the OP

  • Find a way of being able to pin threads and remove the default post ordering system so that everyones replies can be viewed evenly and fairly

[–]jenchan13 1 point2 points ago

maybe a sub that is dedicated solely to before after pics? Maybe that exists already. The main problem I see there is that I will unsubscrbe to this one and subscribe to that one. Most of the post about how they did it pretty much say so to /r/keto or /r/paelo and ceck out /r/crossfit etc. etc. You get my drift? Without the before after stories that sub is pretty much just null and void for me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

We would welcome you at /r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:)

[–]THE_NO_LIFE_KING 9 points10 points ago*

Well, obliviously, this new system is not working out at all for me and others. Why did you had to fuck up something that wasn't broken astonishes me. And this is coming from a redditor who loves to see the progress pics everyday coming to this site and has inspired me to get back into shape again. I've been wondering why the past couple weeks I haven't seen any pics uploaded via. pic.fefoo.

SMH

[–]Perksizer 39 points40 points ago

There is a old saying, "if its not broken don't fix it". I understand the desire to separate threads to relieve clutter but there was nothing wrong with the old system.

[–]dripless_cactus 35 points36 points ago

They aren't as easy to find or to weed out, and the weekly thread or reffering us to a different subreddit doesn't not lend proper respect to peoples' accomplishments. I don't care about blurbs or how people did it. They can answer that stuff in the comments. I want to see lots and lots of other people succeeding, without having to sort through text when I don't have the time to do so.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points ago

I've to ask this - give one good reason why links have been banned? What possible reason could the mods have had? If you're gonna say that prog pics don't include the story, then I'm gonna say that's just not true. Most of them do have it in follow up comments. Not just that, links apart from prog pics are sometimes real gems. They add levity and a sense of community too, at times. What makes loseit so frickin' awesome is the community. Some of the most positive people on reddit are found here. I think we should have a democratically voted upon rules set up in the sidebar, not arbitrary rules decided by the mods. Please, please do not let loseit's community disintegrate over something trivial such as self posts only.

[–]illiterati 1 point2 points ago

I had my pitch fork ready, but this clarification seems reasonable.

[–]peepeesoakedheckhole 11 points12 points ago

I'd love to agree or disagree but the parent has been deleted.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points ago*

Same here. I need the constant reminder that I CAN reach my goals because of the repeated reminders that others were able to as well.

EDIT: If anyone is reading this after the fact.. subreddit r/loseit_classic has been created that will welcome all NSV and progress update posts! :)

[–]psywiped 8 points9 points ago

After looking at /r/progresspics and seeing all the posts there of people gaining mussle I decided to make /r/loseit_progresspics as the others were making me a bit depressed as to how easy they have it. I was really looking foward to posting my progress pic in /r/loseit and now that's gone. Also was looking forward to getting the weight loss tags but whats the point of this reddit now?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:)

[–]psywiped 0 points1 point ago

sweet, might as well post to both though.

[–]binary_bob 5 points6 points ago

I have basically stopped coming to loseit because the only thing i see on the front page now is new comers asking lots of (most redundant) questions. Now I hang out in progresspics, keto, fitness and paleo.

[–]ilovepictures 5 points6 points ago

The mods don't seem to want to budge on what they think is best. r/loseit_classic?

[–]no_bill_savage 2 points3 points ago

Ditto.

[–]chokeholder 6 points7 points ago

subscribe to r/progresspics as well. I would have shortlinked, but I don't know how :(

[–]fatkatnomore 30 points31 points ago

I do subscribe there. But that's not the point. The point is this subreddit's tone and drive have changed.

[–]Diastema 31 points32 points ago

Yeah, the tone is definitely different and I had been wondering why. It used to feel like a giant weight loss/health party but now it's kind of dry.

[–]wolgan 19 points20 points ago

Yep, same feeling here. It's changed from a chaotic Carnivale/Mardi Gras sub into a Christian rock concert.

Mardi Gras and Carnivale posts were contagious, you couldn't help but get caught up in the party, the joy and excitement. People do dumb things at Mardi Gras, but overall the feeling is an incredibly positive one.

People take chances because they know they won't be judged or censored, that has changed, and it's like banning liquor at Mardi Gras, it just isn't the same, it sucks the joy right out of it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:)

[–]Diastema 1 point2 points ago

Already there :D

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

yay! :D

[–]teamshred 1 point2 points ago

thanks for what you're doing with /r/loseit_classic

whatever happens (_classic catches on or this sub's mods catch on to what the users want) I think it is going to be a huge success.

[–]MacAttack805 15 points16 points ago

ya know, I have no idea WHY it has changed at all. From reading what the mods are saying, progress pics are totally still allowed as long as you also put in how you lost the weight. I don't see the problem with that, I mean, when somebody has awesome progress pics the first thing you see in the comments is like 10 people asking "how did you do it", another 5 asking "how tall are you?", etc etc.

Personally, I agree with you, but I also don't understand why it changed at all. People work hard to improve themselves for months.....why not include " i'm 30 M, went from X to Y doing keto and 90x in 6 months".

[–]fatkatnomore -1 points0 points ago

I have no problems with the required information for the posts. I think that's a good change. But clearly, this sub is different. And yeah, it's hard to pinpoint why.

[–]mattv1 3 points4 points ago

To link to a subreddit, just add another slash in front of the r, like so: /r/progresspics

[–]chokeholder 0 points1 point ago

thanks!

[–]moderatelime 1 point2 points ago

If you click on "formatting help" below the comment box, you can see instructions on how to make links and do other formatting in your comments. Also, if you install Reddit Enhancement Suite, as you start typing the name of a subreddit, it'll give you suggestions and automatically make a link out of it.

[–]chokeholder 0 points1 point ago

thanks!

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[–]the_dawning_070611 14 points15 points ago

I don't want to have to start going to a different subreddit to view these progress pictures when they used to be in the loseit section. I agree with the people above me; it was nice and very motivating to see them here.

I usually browse this subreddit on breaks at work and looked for the progress pictures in particular to stay motivated since it gave me hope to see others change. Not seeing them regularly anymore makes me almost feel less motivated now and doesn't make me want to visit this subreddit as much.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:)

[–]xinu 5 points6 points ago

So exactly why am I here, then? Between that and /r/fitness, what does /r/loseit offer those don't?

[–]idratherusethephone 67 points68 points ago

I understand the Moderator's concerns for the amount of NSV threads and Progress Picture threads

I don't understand it. I come here for motivation. If the motivational material is restricted, then my motivation will be limited.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:)

[–]outflow 86 points87 points ago

I do miss seeing the NSV's and progress pictures in the regular thread queue.

[–]viciousbreed 42 points43 points ago

I was all excited that I could finally buy a swimsuit in Target instead of a plus-size store, but I posted it to the NSV weekly thread and got no comments... I don't even know if it got votes because I forgot to check on it, but it was kind of a downer not to be able to post my own thread. I actually did, at first, but then I read the new rules and deleted it.

I don't think I will bother to post in the NSV threads anymore... nobody sees them, and it's more depressing to post and get no feedback than to not post at all. :(

[–]dripless_cactus 8 points9 points ago

That is a bummer... Congratulations on your NSV! That's awesome!

[–]viciousbreed 8 points9 points ago

Thank you! :D

[–]sirdoctoresquire 3 points4 points ago

Congratulations on the NSV. It is a big deal being able to buy clothes that fit in normal stores.

Also, I agree on every thing else you said.

[–]viciousbreed 3 points4 points ago

Thanks! I thought it was pretty nifty. :D

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:) And congrats, that is awesome! I can't wait until I get out of plus size clothing!

[–]dripless_cactus 8 points9 points ago

I agree-- I think they often resulted in interesting discussions and I liked seeing them.

[–]tynenn 37 points38 points ago

I'm afraid of posting anything beacuse I don't wanna get in trouble.

[–]obdue 10 points11 points ago

Ditto. It's really unfortunate.

[–]ucecatcher 18 points19 points ago

Which is death to any online community. It would seem loseit has jumped the shark.

[–]Vault13470 16 points17 points ago

Full time lurker here. Progress pics and the likes got me motivated to take the plunge and begin with my own journey to better myself. I don't know the full story, but I will definitely search and read for my own. I won't down vote anyone or any mod, but the thought of any form of motivation leaving or being removed is disheartening.

[–]Roll251 31 points32 points ago

I liked being able to hit "View images" in RES and just scroll for several minutes and say "Wow."

[–]rwiwy 26 points27 points ago

This. Taking away the ability to just find the pictures you need to see when you're fighting a craving or only have a few minutes was a really crap decision by the mods.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points ago

Those are mostly what I come here for. I really like the discussions on exercise and diet. They've definitely made me take a second look at what I'm doing, but one of the things that keeps me on the straight and narrow is seeing pictures of members here who look great now. I have a picture in my head of that one girl who lost like 45 pounds and got to 117 two weeks ago, and I think of it every time I want to eat like shit or stop pushing myself so hard at the gym.

[–]yourgreataunthelga -2 points-1 points ago

But wouldn't a photo with a discussion do all the things?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago*

This sounds like a minor thing, but inline pics and thumbnails help a lot. Self only posts don't have either. Plus, the aspect of karma, however imaginary it may be, does motivate people in small part to keep posting prog pics. Also, to put it another way - what definite advantage does a self posts only rule have in a subreddit like ours, which is heavily pics based? If the mods are looking to enforce a 'include your story too' rule (which again, I see no reason behind. People should have a free choice. Also, they may not always have a story either.), they can always delete threads that don't have a story in the comments. Self only posts don't solve this problem.

[–]DDJo15 27 points28 points ago

I totally agree with this. I posted a NSV about two weeks ago only to have a mod take it down because it wasn't "major." Well, it was a major milestone to me but I guess not good enough for the mods. I have been debating unsubscribing to this subreddit for a few days because I am not impressed with how it is being managed anymore. Thank you for bringing it up!!

[–]wolgan 18 points19 points ago

This. Milestones are different for everyone. Having a set of people judging milestones is discouraging, which is accomplishing the opposite of what I came here for originally.

[–]DDJo15 10 points11 points ago

Thanks for agreeing with me. I got so discouraged when the mod removed it I did not even bother putting it in the weekly thread. To be honest I haven't even looked at the weekly threads. I liked having all of that stuff on the main page, regardless of how much information was included with the post.

[–]sirdoctoresquire 7 points8 points ago

Congrats on what ever your milestone was.

[–]DDJo15 10 points11 points ago

Thank you! It was being able to fit into a pair of size 6 jeans I've kept since high school when I was a size 10/12 just a few months ago.

[–]uzusan 9 points10 points ago

I actually cannot think of any other type of NSV that would be more major than that, except maybe health related ones. I know that for a lot of people, the target of fitting into a specific piece of clothing is what keeps them going and is a great motivator. Congrats :)

[–]sirdoctoresquire 8 points9 points ago

Agreed, I bought an XL shirt at a Foo Fighters concert instead of a 2X. I can't wait until I can wear it and look good at the same time. I specifically bought it as a motivational tool and I leave it on top of my dresser so I see it multiple times a day.

[–]DDJo15 3 points4 points ago

Thank you!

[–]sirdoctoresquire 4 points5 points ago

Bravo. That's a big change.

[–]DDJo15 3 points4 points ago

I thought so too! Thank you!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:) And congrats on your milestone! Can't wait until my pants size goes down further. I have a few pair in my closet that are 'waiting in the wings' so to speak. :)

[–]weighthacker 35 points36 points ago

I agree. I like to see my fellow LoseIt's share their progress...it's inspiring, and also gives me a chance to upvote them with support. I'd like to see them allowed again.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:)

[–]zloty 42 points43 points ago

I am a new redditor - got an account just for this subreddit - and I think I agree. I haven't been here for months, and I understand the appeal of self post only. However... I'd love to see more of the kinds of posts you're talking about, progress pics, SVs, NSVs.

PLUS - I want to post on the "New Member Thread" but there isn't one for this week! It's the 15th, am I supposed to make a weekly thread, or wait for the moderators to do it? How can we post to the weekly thread if it doesn't exist?

[–]execute85 30 points31 points ago

Can we vote or something? I too like the progress picture threads on r/loseit.

Is there more documentation as to how the mods came to this decision? Was there some polling of the community that I totally missed?

It seems pretty evident based on the score of the posts that the community didn't mind.

[–]blatently_blunt 14 points15 points ago

This idea from execute85. Why can't you make a poll about it?

I think it should be the decision of the 50K members, not only a mod or two that didn't like it. Apparently by the feedback (much of it negative), the community dislikes it. Get over whatever ego issue you mods may be having and make a vote. At least the majority will get what they want. The minority will just have to ignore posts they don't want to see. Its easier to do that than NEVER see posts we want to see.

[–]kpwabbit 10 points11 points ago

I have read r/loseit before joining I was a little disappointed in the way the changes were made. The front page does seem more plain now. Seems that people were turned off by these changes and arent posting. Alot of stuff is hidden in the weekly threads. At the same time I also really like the longer more indepth posts of nsv/progreess pics.

[–]Gimli_The_Dwarf 33 points34 points ago

Wow - I hadn't realized there was a crackdown on people posting their progress. Pretty much makes the subreddit worthless for me. Guess I'll give it a week to see if folks come to their senses then unsubscribe.

[–]xinu 14 points15 points ago

Same. I see no reason to stay anymore

[–]ksalley 10 points11 points ago

I realized just today I hadn't been visiting as often, the content just wasn't there. Now I see why.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:)

[–]circusmonkey404 10 points11 points ago

My two cents. I as well preferred the old method for nsv & progress pics. I would rather see them back in the main thread

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[–]msfayzer 10 points11 points ago

I started my weight loss journey BECAUSE of one of those progress pic imgur posts that is now not allowed. So basically, if these rules existed a few months ago, I would still be on my unhealthy lifestyle.

I really really loved /r/loseit before but now it is just... boring. This wasn't a subreddit that needed more moderating IMHO.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:)

[–]Platnex 22 points23 points ago

I have to add to this, it is a progress picture that started me off, I Really do not see any reason why the rules should be changed at all.

[–]obdue 9 points10 points ago

Same here.

[–]yourgreataunthelga 1 point2 points ago

It was a progress picture plus a connection to the poster that started me off. I wouldn't have gotten there without reading who he was before he started and what he changed about himself.

I didn't believe that I could do it too until someone I identified with told me that. So I like the changes.

[–]xinu 3 points4 points ago*

So if what you like was happening the old way (enough for it to have such a positive impact on you) what's the problem with leaving it the way it was? The people like you who want it still got that connection

[–]ksalley 18 points19 points ago

OK, just read up on this thing and realized why I hadn't been seeing NSVs and SVs on the front page. This new system is very discouraging. r/loseit has been my biggest motivator, and now it's turned into... what? A big "how to" by the mods on what they think we ought to be doing. Sorry. I want stories from real people about what they're doing. Not just the mods.

I want to come here and see all the hundreds of individuals doing their best and winning the fight over fat.

This new system may discourage posts without a lot of info, but it also discourages POSTS in general.

Shame on you mods. You're ruining one of the best subs on Reddit.

[–]seattlechica 7 points8 points ago

Is there any way to sticky the weekly threads so they stay at the top of the main subreddit page?

[–]MockingDead 20 points21 points ago

Ditto I wondered what happened. I have r/keto for diet, and r/fitness for exercise. I come to r/loseit for some weight loss news and pics of people just like me losing weight *for good***

[–]VirusUK 14 points15 points ago

I agree with the progress pics, that's what motivated me too.

[–]uzusan 5 points6 points ago

I thought something was different around here. I use RES and have the subreddit style off (i personally don't like all the icons and the flair) so i didn't see the new guidelines and just thought people weren't posting as much. Now that I've read through them, they explain why this subreddit has went downhill in my opinion. The self post only rule is the worst of them, but I don't think there is one of the new rules that i actually agree with. The subreddit was fine before these changes and the response to it getting bigger isn't to change how it works.

I've only seen 1 case where self posts- only work well and that's in /r/askscience but that place is heavily moderated and is clear on what is / isn't allowed and the reasons why. (i.e. questions about science related matters only and answers must not be jokes / hearsay / guesses).

[–]iamnotwalterbishop 8 points9 points ago

Couldn't agree more.

[–]IAmAnAnonymousCoward 20 points21 points ago

Another subreddit ruined by mods who think they know better than the community :(

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:)

[–]InnerTaunTaun 3 points4 points ago

I used to check this sub several times a day. Due to the changes my interest has severly waned and I'll go days without checking let alone commenting. I liked linked progress pictures and the various nsv posts. In fact the last time I posted a nsv, a mod posted just to say there was a thread for that now. So, all that to say, I prefer loseit pre change

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:)

[–]kittenloaf 4 points5 points ago

I agree. This subreddit sucks ass now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

We would welcome you at r/loseit_classic. All NSV/progress posts welcome:)

[–]Cgod77 3 points4 points ago

I think the new system was very useful during the New Years GREAT FLOOD. I made a personal effort to go through and response to as many posts on the weekly thread as I could. Perhaps once things calm down in the next couple months we could become less strict on putting all the new peoples posts in one megathread.

I don't want to be super spammed on the main page, this way people that really need help can be seen, and people that won't be derailed if they aren't responded to can respond to each other in a mega-post.

[–]jeratoll 5 points6 points ago

I really enjoy weight loss pictures and their like. However I've noticed that for every good weight loss/good NSV thread, there are/were at least 4 threads with such topics as "NSV: I drank diet soda instead of regular soda."

[–]konquererz 5 points6 points ago

I agree with the op. The way I usually get to lose it is via my own front page. So when I don't see the nsv's and progress pic threads I usually forget to drop by. Liked it better before.

[–]GilTheARM 2 points3 points ago

nsv?

[–]BigCountry1369 6 points7 points ago

SV = Scale victory NSV = Non-scale victory

[–]GilTheARM 2 points3 points ago

thanks!

[–]ilovepictures 2 points3 points ago

I know this won't really get noticed here, but I've made r/loseit_classic for those that miss the old format.

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[–]Lusey[S] 23 points24 points ago

I appreciate the reply, and I wasn't trying to attack or call out the Moderators in any way (I see mod posts being downvoted in this thread which I don't agree with, you guys are just trying to communicate with us to help resolve any problems). I think my own problem with it stems from the fact that it just seemed to change overnight. Perhaps I missed a post over the holidays about the new direction of the subreddit in which it was clearly explained, but it felt like I woke up one morning and the subreddit had changed.

I'm not saying the changes in of themselves are bad (trying to spread more information), but you did directly change the focus of loseit which, as a large subreddit, has people who have come to expect it to be a certain way. Thus, the change has brought up some concerns. I do appreciate the responses from you guys though and hope we can keep this as an open discussion.

I think a lot of it just comes down to people feeling like things were changed without asking the community, and now there is some unhappiness surrounding that.

[–]fatkatnomore 5 points6 points ago

Simply and beautifully put.

[–]BigCountry1369[M] 0 points1 point ago

Yes Lusey, the new posting guidelines were posted over the holidays (That thread is in the header or can also be found here). So yes, you probably did wake up one morning and changes had happened.

Here is the best way that I can explain it...

Loseit had 40k+ members and one active moderator. At the time, Jill was also running her 3rd challenge (Fall-Winter) and stretched pretty thin. So when her computer crapped out, Loseit was left to it's own for almost two months. During that time, I started helping to track that challenge. To me, Loseit at that time was a mess...I could go to the 2nd page of Loseit and see good threads that were literally getting no votes while scale pictures and very minor NSV threads (look at my history, I even posted a scale pic once so I was guilty of it as well). When Jill got a chance to come back for a few days, she appointed a few people she had seen consistently across the community and that had some moderator experience. Jill then stepped back again and it was left to the new mods to clean up 45k+ members who had literally never had to deal with any types of rules or posting guidelines.

This is our first attempt to change things for the better. I'm going to ask for more than 2 weeks of dealing with the changes to see what is working or not. I have seen numerous mentions in this thread about not being able to post progress pictures anymore (not singling anyone out because I have gotten PM's about this as well)...the only thing you CAN'T do is make a thread, provide a link to your progress pictures and post it. That goes in the weekly progress picture thread. If you post your progress pictures link AND provide an explanation of what you did and how you lost the weight, you get your own thread.

I hope this doesn't come across as an attack on the points you were trying to make. I'm open to discussion, I will try to check back here in a little bit...I've got a few hundred challenge weigh-ins to update ;)

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[–]obdue 1 point2 points ago

I appreciate your blunt honesty!

[–]dripless_cactus 16 points17 points ago

I remember you stepping in for Jillatha and that was totally awesome. I do disagree that Loseit was a big mess at that time, although I do recognize that having active moderators is important and that things could have been healthier--- However, the community needed TWEAKS, not the overhaul it got.

Seriously, if the biggest problem was pictures of feet on scales, why not just make a rule about posting pictures of feet on scales, rather than disallowing direct links and moving the good content to weekly threads? Generally, Reddit is self regulating. Content that sucks gets downvoted... content that's good gets upvoted, and even if mod-like people don't like that content, the message stays clear that other people do.

[–]NoKarmaForKindness 7 points8 points ago

^ Excellent point. We the people of Reddit choose what we do and don't want to see. That's what makes Reddit Reddit. If the subreddit was flooded with those things and they were on the front page then we wanted to see them. It would be acceptable to make a new subreddit and invent new rules for that one and encourage people who did not like the original one to join rather than change the sub we were all in and enjoying and say go to this other sub for what you were enjoying here.

[–]sirdoctoresquire 2 points3 points ago

The problem with the self thread is that they make it much harder to find the progress pics. Before I could click on the view all images button and open a specific thread if I wanted to hear about how some one did it. I don't think I recall a post where some one posts progress pics and then, didn't respond to questions in the thread. Pretty much every one responds because they posted the pictures specifically to get feedback. I think that was a bad decision. Then again, I didn't think the subreddit needed cleaned up. Though, I am sorry to hear about some of the great posts getting missed, but that always happens. The timing of when you post and what you title your post make a giant difference on how much karma you get.

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[–]ChicagoMemoria 10 points11 points ago

Not everyone visits the actual page of LoseIt. I know that I, for one, just go with what shows up on my regular Reddit feed. I don't have time to check each and every subreddit I'm subscribed to. I can't imagine that there aren't other people who work the same way.

[–]BigCountry1369 -4 points-3 points ago

I agree that people don't have time to check in each and every subreddit they are subscribed to. I use my phone to see the top rated posts in quite a few subs. This is where I think we differ though...I don't want Loseit to be for those people who just catch it on the front page. I want Loseit to be for the people who come here and spend time here.

I use my computer to actually spend time in the subreddits that matter to me. Hence why Reddit built in the options to modify subs with CSS and all those options when accessing it from a normal website and not from a phone.

[–]ChicagoMemoria 8 points9 points ago

I don't want Loseit to be for those people who just catch it on the front page. I want Loseit to be for the people who come here and spend time here.

To me this is the problem with the vast majority of your comments in this thread. This subreddit isn't about what the MODERATORS want. You guys are just supposed to keep the damn thing running and make sure that the SUBSCRIBERS are getting what THEY want. Don't get me wrong; I appreciate the work you guys do tremendously (especially since I know how much time and effort you put into the challenges...bravo and a half!). But the feeling I get from nearly all your comments is that you're trying to make LoseIt into what YOU want. Not what WE want. Just think about it.

And again, thank you for the work you put in. While we may be having a wicked kerfluffle over some issues right now, you're doing a lot of really great work and it is very appreciated.

[–]xinu 9 points10 points ago

I don't want Loseit to be for those people who just catch it on the front page. I want Loseit to be for the people who come here and spend time here.

Why can't it be both? My guess is the vast majority of the 40k+ people who visit are the first type. Why shouldn't they be just as important

[–]fatkatnomore 15 points16 points ago

I don't think anyone has an issue with self-posts only. We just want individual posts for pics and NSVs. Those are huge motivators.

[–]madeleineelster 14 points15 points ago

This right here. Exactly what I was thinking.

[–]redsunglasses 5 points6 points ago

Who cares if they don't post their weight loss details in every thread? Oftentimes the picture is motivation enough to continue doing what I'm doing. And if I need the assistace, well...this subreddit is great for that, too.

[–]nick42578 5 points6 points ago

We could all just downvote the posts we don't like instead.

[–]dripless_cactus 5 points6 points ago

Downvotes aren't a personal attack, but a reflection that people don't agree with you. For example I don't agree with:

I feel like going self-post only has helped the exchange of information here.

Not if less people are posting content, commenting on content, or going to the weekly threads to look at content!

I wanted the person who posted the picture to simply post up a little blurb about how they did it

That's fair, but it's not really about what you want. Besides in 90% of cases I think most people were very willing and excited to share how they had accomplished their goals.. if not, well, there is still an awesome picture and little time lost.

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[–]xinu 7 points8 points ago

And I would be skeptical to think that the sentiments of this thread reflect the whole of the community's feelings on the subject.

I would say we should ask them, but the mods have states multiple times that they don't care and will do what they want regardless of how the community feels.

[–]autumnseffect 2 points3 points ago

I've lurked for a while and I'm quite okay with the changes being made. They did not take away the ability to post progress pics - they just want it explained. Why is that so difficult? If it's going to be asked anyway, might as well save everyone some time and get it done from the start.

Once people realize the new rules, there are sure to be more progress pics up. Give the new system time to work because it's not just here for you, it's for everyone. And for it to work, like it has been said, rules must be put into place or else it gets chaotic.

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[–]xinu 11 points12 points ago*

This does not follow the new guidelines. Please resubmit as a self post with an explanation to meet the new arbitrary rules.

edit: aww, the mod deleted their post

[–]autumnseffect -4 points-3 points ago

I'd accept that hug and happily return it! You guys are doing good work and I appreciate it!

[–]razorblade2099 3 points4 points ago

Personally I got pissed when I saw a SV post that only had a picture of the scale. Yes, it's great you broke 200 on the scale but do I really want a picture of your feet? Furthermore do I want to see 3 of those on the front page?

[–]wackyguy15 7 points8 points ago

That's why we have down voting. Why the mods had to make this fun, inspiring place into an exclusive, hoity toity club really confuses me.

[–]BigCountry1369 0 points1 point ago

But people wouldn't downvote the scale pics...want to see my highest voted submission ever

I mentioned it earlier...I was guilty of the scale pic, after I submitted mine and saw how many there actually were on the front page I understood the point that others had brought up.

[–]razorblade2099 0 points1 point ago

And yet on loseit there's a mentality that all achievements, no matter how minor must be celebrated and should never be downvoted. This is why sv feet pics kept staying.

[–]autumnseffect -2 points-1 points ago

But they didn't. They are trying to introduce some sort of order into the chaos that's becoming r/loseit. You can still post progress pictures, you just need an extra sentence or two saying, "I'm a 35 year old male, 5'11 SW of 220 and I lost 40 lbs by cutting calories and doing light cardio 5 times a week for 9 months."

If that's what's keeping people from posting, they're kind of lazy. Seriously. It's not that much extra work. You guys are picking a fight where there should not be one. Once people catch on to the rules, I'm sure there will be more posts. There will be order and people will be happier and have their curiosity satisfied without 30 people having to ask what they did, what their original stats were, etc.

Things change with time and give the changes a chance - you may find they aren't that awful.

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Beg to differ. I wouldn't consider myself to be lazy, but as a frequent poster of progress pictures, I am put off by having to explain my story repeatedly every time I drop a pants size and want to share a motivational picture. Instead, if people have specific comments or questions that they reply or PM me with, I'd answer them.

Additionally, a picture is worth a thousand words, and I miss being able to find them easily on my phone :(. And what wasn't working about having that extra sentence just be the title of a picture and not in its own self post?

[–]autumnseffect 0 points1 point ago

The one sentence wasn't enough details. Just copy and paste the information, changing your numbers whenever you post. The pictures will come back once everyone gets used to it - it's not like they were banned forever =P

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[–]solo9999 1 point2 points ago

Progress pics posts are the most motivating ones IMO

[–]schmup 1 point2 points ago

This system isn't "new" to me, as I wasn't here for the old subreddit, but I can say that after being here for 2 weeks the old subreddit sounds like it was a great, inspirational place.

[–]annang -2 points-1 points ago

I realize this will probably get downvoted, but I dramatically prefer the new guidelines. I like seeing that people have lost weight, but a photo of a scale with 1** on it or a picture of a thin person holding up fat pants isn't nearly as meaningful or interesting to me as reading about how people are accomplishing their goals or answering someone's questions about nutrition and exercise. I avoided LoseIt when it was all progress pics, and now I visit pretty much every day.

I also suspect that at this time of year, when people are making New Year's resolutions, people's ability to get help with their questions or reassurance about their methods is going to determine whether they stick with their diets. If the "Help, how do I do this" posts are pushed down the page by dozens of "Today my coworker called me skinny" posts and no one answers them, people are going to get discouraged and leave. I'd hate to see new people who really need the help getting healthy be pushed out by the older members who are seeing success.

I think the new setup, with threads for pictures and NSVs, is a great compromise. I can ignore those threads, and people who like them can read them. It might also make sense to set up a weekly "There are no stupid questions" thread like /r/fitness has, so that new people can ask their "why low-carb?" questions over and over again all in one place. But I prefer the diversity of threads we get now to the overwhelming flood we get when everyone who loses a pound or gets a new pair of pants posts a new thread about it.