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[–]MatthiasFarland 70 points71 points ago

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Just return the compliment "Wow, you don't really act straight either!" or "You know, I couldn't even tell that you were straight".

Or ask them how gay people act. Make them uncomfortable so they don't pull that heterocentrist bullshit with anyone else.

[–]Arkkon 26 points27 points ago

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I find that whenever someone expresses an intolerant or bigoted opinion and I know they don't think it's intolerant or bigoted, the very best way to respond is simply to ask for clarification. Start asking, and don't stop. "So, how do Gay people act? What exactly is 'gay' about it? Why do you not think straight women or men do this?" Demand answers. The beautiful thing about bigotry is that it has no good answers.

[–]NSMike 4 points5 points ago

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Or, if you're like me, and don't want to be entirely confrontational, sometimes basic clarification is ok. Just, "What do you mean?" might be enough to get them to think about it. When they start answering you with things that are obviously wrong-headed, then get more confrontational.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Yea this sounds like the best way to do it.

[–]UnfortunatelyABoy 1 point2 points ago

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if the person is someone you don't mind alienating, sure.

[–]nailz1000 10 points11 points ago

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Or you could just not be a passive aggressive shit about it and come right out and say "I find that somewhat offensive, as if you mean it as a complement, and adversely a put-down for others who don't act like me. This isn't high school anymore. We're all allowed to be different."

[–]MatthiasFarland 5 points6 points ago

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True. That works too. But it is far less amusing.

[–]sendenten 1 point2 points ago

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And also far less dickwad-ish.

[–]MatthiasFarland 0 points1 point ago

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Yes, but who said that was a good thing?

[–]girlswhatsmyweakness 3 points4 points ago

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That just sounds more like a way to make people think you're really off-putting.

[–]emanresu1 4 points5 points ago*

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Agreed. I'm more than slightly irked by mewling, whiny neologisms like "heteronormative" or "heterocentrist", and moreso still when they're spat out in such an obnoxiously vituperative way.

People who say "you don't seem gay" or "I wouldn't have known you were gay" aren't trying to be offensive and usually aren't even attempting a compliment. They're merely surprised to find that a gay guy (for instance) doesn't conform to the typical stereotypes of effeminacy which most people still, unfortunately, inextricably associate with gay men. A kind reminder that " well, you don't notice the majority of gay men who have conventionally, unremarkably masculine behavior, but there are a lot of us." is more than sufficient.

The world is always going to be "heteronormative", but who cares? It's totally inconsequential if that world has no bigotry about homosexuality accompanying it. It's just a minor inconvenience attributable to the immutable vagaries of the human condition.

[–]yourdadsbffgaysha gown 1 point2 points ago

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I agree that sometimes people don't intend to be offensive; in fact, I think that's happened to all of us (about whatever minority or unfamiliar thing) at one point or another.

But I'm confused by your penultimate line. There is "bigotry about homosexuality," unless I'm totally misreading what you meant.

[–]emanresu1 1 point2 points ago

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I mean in a hypothetical future world where anti-gay bigotry doesn't exist, or is negligible. Like, you know, Norway now or something similar.

[–]Thimmylicious 0 points1 point ago

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Someone using the word penultimate correctly, here have some karma.

[–]ekspiuloI bribed the mod with a pic of stuffed animals and all I got was 0 points1 point ago

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I wasn't sure what to think of your post other than that it sounded like someone whiny and mewling about the difficulty caused to them by victims standing up to those who hurt their feelings, until I hit the phrase "Immutable vagaries." You're trolling. I get it. Thank you: now move on.

[–]Shamwow22 0 points1 point ago

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Just return the compliment "Wow, you don't really act straight either!"

I lol'd in real life.

[–]straight_ally 14 points15 points ago

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Define "acting gay." I know a lesbian girl who has a My Little Pony obsession. I know a bisexual guy who does not in any way fit the stereotype of being gay, at all. Always thought it was stupid to make generalizations like that.

[–]ocinleLost in his own eyes. 20 points21 points ago

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A lesbrony?!

[–]latestevolution 0 points1 point ago

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i lol'd

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Many, many, many lesbians have a My Little Pony obsession.

[–]ZaliikaI do NOT have ADH-OHLOOKAPUPPY!!! 1 point2 points ago

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I swear I am NOT wearing a MLP shirt right now... shifty eyes

[–]JaggerAArt, Music, Writing 6 points7 points ago

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It's not so much the fact that they think you act straight or something, they're just glad you aren't flamingly flamboyant, which tends to make people uncomfortable (even some people who are also gay)

[–]yourdadsbffgaysha gown 4 points5 points ago

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Which is still a pretty dick thing to say, really. Oh, I'm so glad you're not \insert harmless personality type**.

Obviously, we all have preferences about what kinds of people we enjoy spending time with, but shouldn't it be evident from the fact that you're friends with this person in the first place?

Unless you're in the "flamboyance is just annoying, period" camp.

[–]JaggerAArt, Music, Writing 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, I think if you're naturally a little fruitier than most, that's ok. But when you are full out pushing your gayness as far as it'll go, that's something else.

[–]ekspiuloI bribed the mod with a pic of stuffed animals and all I got was 0 points1 point ago

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full out pushing your gayness as far as it'll go, that's something else.

Yes, it's called freedom of expression. No one's making you socialize with people who behave in a way that you don't like; however, it's fucked up to say there's something wrong with people who act outside whatever your personal limits for "ok" are. You yourself are considered equally pushy, gay, and disgusting by lots of people, and we all know that those people are idiots. Don't emulate their behavior by acting as if nonconformity were some kind of crime: we're all noncomformists in someone's eyes.

[–]girlswhatsmyweakness 0 points1 point ago

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I've always thought "freedom of expression" was kind of an annoying cop out thing to say to justify people's awful behavior.

There are some really fun, smart, quick, campy gay guys, that I really love who embrace their flamboyant behavior, and then there are people who are just annoying, which I suppose goes for every sect of humanity. There are just annoying people who need to use their inside voices every once and a while.

[–]ekspiuloI bribed the mod with a pic of stuffed animals and all I got was 0 points1 point ago

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What does the existence of these people who are annoying to you have to do with what we're talking about?

[–]pg133 5 points6 points ago

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I won't take it personally. Brush it off as a joke and say, "I know, straight people have have such poor gaydar" or "it takes one to know one" or "oh! but my friends always say I have such a nice butt" and smile a big smile.

I know what you mean, it implies that gay people should act a particular way, but why worry, it's their loss is they are not informed but at least they now known one gay person who doesn't fit "their stereotype".

[–]pg133 11 points12 points ago

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The other approach is just to ask "Do you know many gay people?" and give them a chance to respond. Their statement may have been based on personally knowing other gay people who acted in a particular way. If they don't know many other gay people then you might want to point out that their statement about you may have been formed by the media bias that only depict gay people in a stereotypical ways.

I guess, I am saying maybe you could use it as way to educate rather than feel annoyed.

[–]ocinleLost in his own eyes. 4 points5 points ago

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implies that gay people should act a particular way

Not even that; it implies gay people do act in a certain way.

And guess what? (Cover the children's ears.) This is largely true for many gay guys. Fact is, if you see a guy with ass-hugging jeans, highlights, and a deep v-neck walking down the street, you're going to think he's gay.

If it really seems necessary, you can explain to whomever that everyone's different and that's fine, then move on, without proclaiming your friend a gender-hitler.

[–]yourdadsbffgaysha gown 1 point2 points ago

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Fact is, if you see a guy with ass-hugging jeans, highlights, and a deep v-neck walking down the street, you're going to think he's gay.

Or European. Or both.

[–]Mr_Smartypants 3 points4 points ago

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This is a teaching moment: "Yes, it's funny how stereotypes work, isn't it?"

[–]scbalazs 5 points6 points ago

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I usually say, "that's because I'm not f!@#$%^ a guy &* *() -=1 right now, you should have seen me a few hours ago"

[–]antglyScience, Technology, Engineering -1 points0 points ago

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I actually read that understood that... haha

[–]SerpensStellarum 4 points5 points ago

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it is even weirder when gays do this. when dating, i enter bloodhell rage mode whenever i hear such nonsence.

ironically, one of my exes is a crossdresser and i find him to have bigger balls than everyone "manly straight acting" idiots. simply for the fact that he lives how he wants despite the raging hate against him. i feel blessesd that he helped me understand what's important in my life.

[–]ekspiuloI bribed the mod with a pic of stuffed animals and all I got was 2 points3 points ago

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Thank you, I hold a special place of hatred in my heart for people who claim that not only is their cowardice in the face of hatred and a pressure to conform not a failing but that such acquiescence to those who say "you should act this or that way" is in fact a virtue and that to think otherwise is a lapse in character.

[–]jbobcat 3 points4 points ago

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PREACH. I respond with "don't ever say that to me again. I act completely gay and never forget that."

[–]sendenten 7 points8 points ago

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This thread shows up about once a week, and my answer is always the same: they're not trying to be offensive, they're not saying being gay is bad, they're simply stating that you don't conform to the usual stereotypes of homosexuality.

Stop trying to be offended and move on with your life.

[–]ocinleLost in his own eyes. 2 points3 points ago

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I get this very often, nearly every time I come out. I don't take it as offensive or a compliment; most of the time, it's just an observation.

Sometimes straight folk know not what they say, and no one is quite sure how they're suppose to react when they are come out to. If it's clear that they meant what they said in a way that derides feminine guys, then gently explain that you don't intend to "act not gay" and that no one should be judged for how they fall in gender space. If they meant it as a simple observation, then just move on.

[–]girlswhatsmyweakness 7 points8 points ago

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I get this, too. I'm actually flattered by those types of comments when I get them. Or when people say "I couldn't tell," I usually say, "thanks," as though it is a compliment. I think it's because in elementary school I got destroyed by everyone saying that I acted like a girl, so then I immediately locked that down.

So those comments I guess are fulfilling because they affirm the image and personality of what I've been trying to be.

[–]nailz1000 8 points9 points ago

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Actually, I've gotten this comment several times from other gay men.

[–]yourdadsbffgaysha gown 1 point2 points ago

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girlswhatsmyweakness's comment depressed me a little bit, but yours made me literally shake my head. Not because I think you're wrong but because I know you're right.

[–]nailz1000 0 points1 point ago

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I've always taken it as a comment rather than a complement.

[–]girlswhatsmyweakness 0 points1 point ago

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Haha, don't be depressed! I'm such a prideful gay man, I just don't have feminine mannerisms, and I'm perfectly happy with myself.

[–]rcavin2289 1 point2 points ago

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You've been "trying" to be?

[–]girlswhatsmyweakness 1 point2 points ago

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I just aspire to appear more masculine.

[–]cbogart 1 point2 points ago

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Here's what I say to that: "This is acting gay. If I don't seem gay to you, you might have some mistaken idea of what 'gay' means".

[–]austinjb555 1 point2 points ago

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Half the people I've told don't believe that I'm gay because "I don't act gay." They think I'm just confused... If only there was a hot gay guy around, I would sooo prove them wrong!

[–]ZaliikaI do NOT have ADH-OHLOOKAPUPPY!!! 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah, my girlfriend and I get that a lot. "Wow, I would NEVER have picked you!". I get what you mean, it's offensive because it's as though they're saying that all 'gays' are weird/strange, but we must just happen to be an exception.

[–]theoverthinker 1 point2 points ago

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Yes, it happens to me, albeit thankfully not that frequently. And yes, it bothers me.

I'm also really disappointed with all the people here who don't seem to think it's a problem. I understand that the people saying it quite often don't mean it in a malicious way. They're still assuming that a person will act a certain way because of their sexual orientation, and that's wrong. It's wrong no matter what the sexual orientation of the person saying it is. The aggregate effect of this kind of thinking from people of all sexual orientations is bad for people of all sexual orientations. Everyone should have the right to be free of expectations that they will act a certain way because of the gender(s) of the people they're attracted to.

I'm not saying that anyone who says this is a horrible human being who has committed an unforgivable crime. I understand that they might not have malicious intent. Malicious intent isn't required to cause damage.

Is there anyone here who thinks it would be OK to tell another person, for example, "You don't act black," or for a person who was told that to challenge the statement? Even if it was just meant as a "neutral" statement that said person doesn't act according to commonly held stereotypes about black people? Even if they're "innocuous" stereotypes about, say, liking certain music and food, and not really harmful stereotypes about being lazy, unintelligent, criminal, etc.?

Fuck stereotypes. All of them. Even the "harmless" ones.

[–]thorvondoom 3 points4 points ago

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Being gay means you have to be a certain way. Just like being straight does.

[–]TheOtherSarah 2 points3 points ago

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What do you mean, exactly? In what ways are the two different in everyday life? Do you know many people who rigidly adhere to every stereotype, and none who don't?

[–]jbobcat 4 points5 points ago

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Almost positive this is sarcasm.

[–]yourdadsbffgaysha gown 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah, it's a shame thorvondoom has been downvoted so heavily (at least as of this comment's posting).

[–]bananatattoo 1 point2 points ago

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I totally agree. I don't care if I seem gay to someone else, their preconcieved notion of me does not change who I am. Gah I hate it:

[–]GhostFish 2 points3 points ago*

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The more colorful gay people are simply more visible, and so their behavioral patterns are what people and the media tend to associate with homosexuality.

But lots of people find that same colorful behavior to be grating and even trashy. Even other gays.

[–]AkuTaco 1 point2 points ago

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I never really hear it that way. Usually people aren't trying to think of it that way, they're just surprised because I don't fit their usual conception of a gay person. To me, that's not a bad thing. It's just recognition of a certain level of normalization. Because I think of myself as a really average person. I didn't have a lot of obstacles when coming out. Everyone was really supportive. It was just a little different from what they thought because I didn't do anything overt to indicate that I was attracted to women. I didn't show them any cues, so the first time I did, it was a surprise. That's not surprising when most of the people you meet are, in fact, straight. The only time I get a sense of disappointment is when I'm telling certain guys (not all guys), but that's just because I'm attractive and the mild androgyny is, I guess, a turn on.

And quite frankly, the more often that sort of reaction happens now, the less often it is likely to happen in the future.

[–]yourdadsbffgaysha gown 2 points3 points ago

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they're just surprised because I don't fit their usual conception of a gay person. To me, that's not a bad thing.

I get what you're saying and agree that normalization is often a a sign of progress. But it still bothers me that the "usual conception of a gay person" is considered to be such a bad thing that not fitting it is deemed worthy of a compliment.

This attitude is still toxic, and it's what leads to so many LGBT people having difficulty coming out in the first place. Even though things went much more smoothly for people like you and me, things are still pretty shitty for a lot of queer people, and it just doesn't seem helpful to me to perpetuate this aversion to "the flaming 'mo" stereotype that gives so many of our brothers and sisters (and two-spirits and what have you) such grief about coming out at all.

[–]AkuTaco 0 points1 point ago

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I don't think having a conception about people is offensive in and of itself, and the people I spoke to were never disgusted, just surprised. It was never a compliment that I looked normal. It was a compliment when someone said "a loss for men everywhere." So there's that. There was only ever one time I told someone and they actually looked disgusted. It's easy to tell the difference.

EDIT: technically, it happened twice, but I don't count my dad since I'm not willing to write him off.

[–]rcavin2289 2 points3 points ago

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Would you rather them tell you that they could peg you being gay from a mile away?

Don't take it personal.

[–]jose_con_queso 0 points1 point ago

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I have one friend who says both that I'm the least gay-acting gay person he's ever met but he also says he knew I was gay the very first time we met and he even said so to his wife after I met them. He apparently does not see the contradiction in these statements.

[–]Ahhotep 0 points1 point ago

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As a femme, it fucking makes my day when they do.

[–]Jamesfox849 0 points1 point ago

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Heh, people tell me that whenever they find out that I'm gay. They're not insulting me, just stating a fact. I don't know what the people you've told are like, but you may just be taking what they say the wrong way.

[–]ekspiuloI bribed the mod with a pic of stuffed animals and all I got was 0 points1 point ago

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OPs point is that the "fact" which they're stating represents a fucked up world view in which they act like they have a reasonable expectation that all gay men act like whatever their ridiculous internal stereotype is.

[–]lakewoodjoe112 0 points1 point ago

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Just tell your friends who tell you that they're bigots. If they're gay, all the better.

[–]SpanishPenisPenis -1 points0 points ago

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Of course that happens to other people you ass hat. And of course it's like, you know, distasteful and all, but like, actually, there's a pretty discrete set of mannerisms, cadences, etc that a) comprise the popular conception of gay behavior, esp. in the media and b) actually have a very noticeable disproportionately high correlation to the homosexual population.

Like, similarly, it would be distasteful to tell someone they "don't really act black," but like, without further explanation, you'd instinctively have a pretty good idea of what they mean and why they associate those behaviors with "blackness" in general.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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Upvote because I've never been called an ass hat before.

[–]SpanishPenisPenis 4 points5 points ago

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I don't think I've heard it since 7th grade, I like it because it reminds me of pogs.

[–]vhagar 3 points4 points ago

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...you'd instinctively have a pretty good idea of what they mean and why they associate those behaviors with "blackness" in general.

Because of negative stereotypes perpetuated by media, yes.

That being said, as a black person, I fucking hate it when people say I don't "act black". There isn't a set specific way that all black people act. We don't all have one personality, and the same thing applies to gay people.

[–]SpanishPenisPenis 0 points1 point ago

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Because of negative stereotypes perpetuated by media, yes.

Well, no, not just. Like, like it or not, there are sets of mannerisms that find grossly disproportionate expression amongst black people. That doesn't mean that all black people act that way, but.

[–]vhagar 1 point2 points ago

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Trust me, it's more like a vocal minority.

That doesn't mean that all black people act that way, but.

Then why even say that there are "sets of mannerisms" that black people commonly share when you know that we don't all act the same? It's incorrect and hurtful to say that I don't "act black" because there is no one specific way that black people act. You just said so yourself.

[–]SpanishPenisPenis 1 point2 points ago

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Then why even say that there are "sets of mannerisms" that black people commonly share when you know that we don't all act the same?

In case you missed it, here's what I said,

there are sets of mannerisms that find grossly disproportionate expression amongst black people. That doesn't mean that all black people act that way,

I don't know how else to explain the difference between "all" and a "disproportionate amount" to you.

[–]cbearmcsnuggles 0 points1 point ago*

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Stereotypes are lazy shortcuts to understanding, and therefore often result in misunderstanding, precisely because "disproportionate amount" ≠ "all."

That is to say, if a "disproportionate amount" of gay (or black) people do X, that piece of information is useless when dealing with any particular individual gay (or black) person, because you don't know whether they are one of the "disproportionate amount." Once you do know that a gay (or black) person is not within the "disproportionate amount," what does telling them so, or even noticing, accomplish? You would either be criticizing the "disproportionate amount" or criticizing the individual for not being amongst the "disproportionate amount."

Either one undermines the individual's gay (or black) identity.

This would be true even if the stereotypes were not often media-driven distortions; that undermines the validity of the original piece of information you're attempting to use. Taking that into account, people who say "you don't act gay (or black)" are making completely unjustified and potentially hurtful assumptions.

[–]LopretniSUPERSTAR★ -1 points0 points ago

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I take it as a compliment because it generally means I'm not an obnoxious stereotypical fruit.

I don't mean a guy that acts femmy, I mean someone who walked out of any recent vulgar R rated "comedy" movie in the past 10 years. These guys exist, even in Texas, and they're fucking annoying. I consider them the equivalent of a black man walking around in overalls, barefoot, munching on watermelon and speaking in 19th century ebonics.

[–]yaniwonton -1 points0 points ago

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I hate it, it's such a cock block to be masculine and gay

[–]Eryemil -3 points-2 points ago

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I imagine that many gay guys would see it as a compliment because we know exactly what they mean when they say "act gay" and it is not something we want to be.

How many of us wish that we could be more masculine? Personally, I have a somewhat high voice with very little of that sexy, rough resonance that's just so appealing. I've spent some time training my voice to sound better and I'm damn proud when people notice or comment positively on it.