Jatt did a better job of "controlling" SOTL tonight, then Travis.

FlawedLogic · 3 months

My only problem with Travis is that he's just socially awkward and will say things that no one else will know how to react to.

I thought I was just being too judgmental of the guy until this episode, then he said some things and day9 of all people had a brief pause after Travis spoke where you could see him thinking of how to follow up that statement.

I liked that he let people rant on this episode though, it's a big improvement over some past episodes.

Some advice to Travis: This is your job now, how about trying to make it look a little professional and at least moving the webcam so we can't see your bed in the background and such. It won't take much but having just a wall behind you with maybe a SotL poster in the background will at least give an impression that you're trying.

Pieson · 3 months

From Scumbag Jatt to Goodguy Jatt all in a matter of weeks.

offcrcartman · 3 months

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Jatt actually kind of cut off Travis a few times and asked people questions.

It was weird because it just seemed so natural.

belril · 3 months

I think that this is something that Travis is still working on. It's obvious that he's been hesitant to stop any sort of conversation lately, just because he's afraid of the community's reaction. (Remember when he moderated the argument between Matt Marcou and everyone else and how badly that backfired?) Part of the issue here is that he doesn't want to lose any part of his audience (now that SotL is his day job⁺ ), and so he's just trying to give everyone what they want, which for some people is just listening to the pros ramble, no matter how not constructive that is.

+For further comments: please do not bring up that decision as a part of your argument for why he should be X or Y. We get it already. Shush.

AnimusNZ · 3 months

At the risk of mass downvotes, i just don't think Travis possesses the charisma that day9 has. Wether its a lack of passion or simply his personality i dont know but it doesnt feel the same. Its not an insult to Travis at all its just my opinion. Its not natural and at times he can be somewhat socially awkward and no matter how much of a nice guy he is, it doesnt circumvent the problem, just my 2c

chaosaxess · 3 months

Then Travis... what? WHAT DID TRAVIS DO?!

_Mik · 3 months

Travis as a person can be as nice as he wants, but the problem amounts to how much he actually likes the game. From what I've seen of the show, he just sits there and stares blankly at a wall for 30 minutes, till he thinks it's time to move on. Day9 is a great host because he thoroughly enjoys the topics and esports in general, while still loving the game. Travis just seems to want to outline topics that users have submitted, and go back to watching porn. Once you have someone that is thoroughly interested in the game and the players opinions, then the respect from asking knowledgeable questions and insightful topics, then you will have a great host. Even JP (from State of the game) loves sc2. When they start talking about broodwar, the same awkwardness from JP comes in. It's all about respecting the players knowledge and loving the game, something that I don't think Travis will ever have.

sn3eky · 3 months

You can tell Travis is trying a lot harder now and he is improving. However I still don't like him :)

Avenged492 · 3 months

The problem with Travis is that he doesn't command any respect it seems from the players. There were times tonight that he tried multiple times to stop the discussion to no avail. He needs to be more confident in whatever he is going to do. Just don't interrupt good conversation to get those ad's in.

Pingmeep · 3 months

Here's what I think happened. Jatt has something else coming up likely involving being behind a microphone. Look at the elements in play.

left Team Dignitas
is set to cast some matches soon
has a potential project lined up
is getting paid by MLG to be a guest on a show / audition for a spot
various members on Team Dignitas have mentioned that both IPL and MLG are looking for casters and in the case of IPL are willing to train them

His performance on SotL last night almost seemed like an attempt to exercise his skills and build some tape for an audition.

Make of that what you will.

sofawall · 3 months

State of the Game, the inspiration for SotL, somehow manages to get conversation moving along. I don't really watch SotG enough to know whether it's mainly JP or not, but Travis could learn a lot from the flow of SotG.

Of course, it obviously helps that many of the guests of SotG have known each other for years and years, and it comes across as a bunch of buddies hanging out and talking Starcraft, much of the time.

fofifth · 3 months

Day9, in my opinion, seems like he is a tv star or radio show host who also has a video feed. Not to hate on Travis but I think Day9 could run that show better just because of his personality/the way he conducts himself. And this was the first time I've seen or heard of Day9.

ClgSaint · 3 months

Travis and SotL is the platform, dont know why everyone hates on him

Waul · 3 months

Jatt reminds me so much of Idra. heh.

cheerioo · 3 months

Thing is, I feel like most of what the people on the show is interesting. I was a little upset today when Travis stopped Xpecial from talking about Nasus.

Smirnofff · 3 months

Travis has been acting like this since SOTL 18,when Saintvicious was there.The reaction of everyone was that he was a sandbag and interrupted most funny talks/jokes.That's why he's been hesitating in stopping conversations right away

RoyalPeach · 3 months

i don't usually watch SotL, but last night i decided to watch it for a bit. the host at one point couldn't get some of the guys to stop talking, so he said something like "ok i'm just gonna mute you both." i understand he wanted them to be quiet, but for someone who's making money off this, it seemed so unprofessional. from what i saw as well, i thought Jatt asked things in a more natural "i care about your answer" kind of way.

dvtnlx · 3 months

What really puts me off the most is that he's trying to be "professional" when he and his guests are obviously not, they do not want to be and most importantly do not even have to be. As far as I am concerned I'm not interested in a boring PG13 podcast that tries to be as professional/clean as possible to not cut out potential sponsors, at least that's my impression of SotL right now. If you're trying too hard to put on this act all you do is look even less professional and lose credibility and soul (which makes State of the Game so appealing to me personally). The whole stiffness that Travis brings into this equation as a person just enforces the whole thing further and I really feel a bit sorry for him because I'm pretty sure he'll take this feedback personal. :(

mikedawgx · 3 months

OP made it sound nicer than it is.

Travis: Stop being socially awkward and shit. Converse, don't force questions at people, and act like you're participating. You're on camera and you have thousands of viewers, and it looks like you just got out of the hospital. This show could be so much more. I almost can't watch it because SotL is a bunch of socially awkward dudes staring blankly at a screen, and you're the main perpetrator of the crime. I can see feel the grease on your hand as you run it through your hair. And asking for donations makes you sound like a bitch -- I'd be more willing if you didn't look anemic.

Aggrokid · 3 months

Only recently fans were complaining that Travis was too heavy-handed in controlling the discussion.

Suddenly fans complain that he's not moderating it enough.

(Jackie Chan face)

rue7 · 3 months

Agreed with all the OP said. This made me wonder if "Jatt's New Plans" he eluded to tonight involve hosting a similar show, and his excuse to not reveal the plans were partially to preserve confidentiality, but also so as not to piss off Travis.

The questions Jatt had for Day[9] only furthered my suspicion.

theDreampie · 3 months

you know we've had that discussion a few times already. if he had kept them in place someone would've made a post that said. "hey travis. why don't let them just talk? i like when their discussions just float".

but you're right when you say that there is still a lot travis can learn and has to learn. i'm sure he will agree.

and i'm also sure he's working on that.

PowPunch · 3 months

My biggest problem with state of the league is that they don't seem to like each other. All they do is argue and ramble most episodes I've seen.

When I watch state of the game I think that these are the personalities that fit the show.

It kind of kills SotL for me to have watched SotG because they aren't friends.

jhoiz · 3 months

Travis isn't good at what he does. So many people can do a better job.

Vieto · 3 months

You watch SotL, that's your problem right there.

PopeVsJesus · 3 months

I believe the word you're looking for is "than" and lose the comma.

dabezian · 3 months

I feel like Travis is using SotL as some sort of claim to fame when he actually is no more qualified than any other player. The only thing he has above the average player is Doublelift as a roommate.

In all honesty, he should just hand off the show to someone else more qualified. He really has nothing to contribute to it. He fails to moderate well. His questions aren't that great. It's nothing but an organized talk with a bunch of pros. They should just do it without him.

do_all_the_awesome · 3 months

I liked this episode..it flowed nicely at times. The discussions were great but I feel that Travis needs to learn how to flow the talks rather than abruptly end one and start another. Also, I don't think he should really worry about going over time (what's the worst that will happen - he'll make more money from extra breaks? If the pros are cool with it why not?)

He's just not that skilled at being a host. He seems more like a viewer than someone participating.

I really liked Jatt in this one.

Graal2 · 3 months

State of the Jatt ? He was working on secret stuff :D

GraveD · 3 months

than Travis.

SamiNami · 3 months

Travis is not that bad, it's doublift who makes the show unwatchable, everything he said last show was a waste of time. If he comes on again next week I'm going to skip lol...

joegath · 3 months

Jatt did a better job of "controlling" SOTL tonight, then Travis.... THEN TRAVIS WHAT???

Makagi · 3 months

Being the host is really hard, because anything the audience doesnt like is blamed on the Host. even so i did not watch this particular episode (its quite late for german time), I also had the feeling that Travis has some hardships trying to get the conversation on naturally, without cutting the pros off. He should consider visiting a seminar for moderating, so he gets a lot of tricks, or should try to mix up his questions a bit according to the flow of the conversation.

But i dont understand ONE thing: Travis is willing to get the community an insight view of the proffessional League of Legends scene. WHY DO PPL HATE HIM? I just don't get that.

nothisispatrickeu · 3 months

then travis what? finish your sentence bro.

or did you mean "than travis" ?

stinkmeaner92 · 3 months

Just get rid of doublelift....

muldune · 3 months

Awesome episode

chazaaam · 3 months

i loved how nervous he was while talking to day9 :)

farmland · 3 months

Than Travis*

PutBoy · 3 months

OMG people, so much fucking hate. Everytime he does something that someone doesn't like it's posted here and everyone who agrees posts in that thread. It's not a balance discussion and I would encourage Travis to ignore it.

These are your opinions but they are stated as fact and they are backed up by people who never met the guy, doesn't know the guy, and it's stated as fact.

So hateful community. Scumbag Community.

Lunco · 3 months

It's funny people trashing Travis and saying how awesome is day9. Have you seen any of the day9 early stuff? It's horrible. I'm certain he wouldn't be this good today if he got this much shit from the community.

The thing I do agree with is that Travis should play more League more competitively so he could converse about it more naturally. I think hitting 2k elo should be his goal - it might even be an interesting conversation topic each week, where he solves his problems by asking pros for advice.

ps: The casting they did with Nhat was fairly decent.

dismal626 · 3 months

Am I the only one that watches SotL and find nothing wrong with it at all?

Travis, if you read this, don't let all of this shit put you down. I think the show is great and I'm truly grateful that someone had enough passion for all of this to go through the effort of putting something like SotL together and making it one of the most, if not THE most entertaining and down to earth show in the e-sports community and I guarantee you that there are a lot of people, probably the majority of them, who feel the same exact way. Sure everyone has room for improvement, but people act as if you're destroying the show which is just fucking retarded imho. Don't sweat it.

JokerSmilez · 3 months

THIS JUST IN: Travis isn't a very good host. In fact, he pretty much sucks. He does not have the personality for it.

MORE AT 11!

silentseba · 3 months

What irks me the most about the show are the breaks. Why do you need to have so mane breaks that destroy the flow of the game? When the pro gamers just keep talking and travis is the only one that actually leaves. IF ANYTHING... he should be the one staying, entertaining the audience and give the pro players a chance to take a break.

GriefTheBro · 3 months

Jatt asked some really good questions ill give him that, and Travis let the arguments go with the flow, so it was a really nice episode, also you could see travis cringe everytime locodoco said fuck or fucking wich was every 3rd or 4th word.

fireitup622 · 3 months

imo it's not really his fault, but an innate issue of him not really being on the same level as the guests. Do you think he can truly contribute very much to a conversation? I don't blame him, only another pro could (day9 happens to be a charismatic former pro after all). Even yesterday they were talking about soraka and his contribution was more just reiterating what she could do instead of why it was important. Since he isn't a pro himself who possesses their insightful knowledge, he either has to risk including himself in the conversations and sounding stupid, let them talk while he sits quietly, or serve as an active listener and just rehash what they say which gets pretty old pretty quickly.

celadez · 3 months

I think most of the communities problem with Travis, is he brings in competitive players and tries to moderate the competitive players talking about the competitive scene while having no experience playing at a high level in this game. Because of this, most people would rather listen to what people like Xpecial, Wickd, and Doublelift have to say about high level play than have Travis interrupt them.

pandau · 3 months

It felt really awkward that Jatt had to be the one to steer the conversation in the right direction. He hit the sweet spot when it came to moderating the conversation, and this is something Travis seem to really struggle with, as it looks like he is most comfortable with either zipping his mouth shut or breaking the conversation off entirely.

PeetaBread · 3 months

A bunch of awkward dudes complaining about more awkward dudes being awkward.

Slish · 3 months

Am I the only one that felt awkward when Travis said Day9 goodbye like 10 times and saw that even Day9 was like 'uuuuhm ok...?' at the end..?

Frolic3 · 3 months

That Matt Marcou conversation was unmanagable unless you are Oprah or Judge Judy. Reginald was angry. Matt was put in a bad position.

iPokGai · 3 months

For everyone comparing Day[9] to Travis, I think its just stupid. If you look back at Day[9]'s first dailys they were fucking terrible. That being said I think we should just give the man some more time. Day[9] didn't just magically become the person he was today. Imo it just takes time to develop public speaking and to develop a character that the public likes

mohoff · 3 months

Well the show gets more and more attention every week.

Yesterday, there was no need for Travis to interrupt the discussion because, as he said on stream, "good stuff is going on". Yes, Jatt is a professional who's popular and knows how to express himself. He's a very nice guest, maintains discussion culture and can speak freely because he doesn't belong to a team anymore.

Travis showed his schedule at the very beginning of the episode, for me it's a plan "what to do if there's no discussion going on". And he has still the opportunity to lead the discussion to another topic when he wants to.

The guest are what keep me coming back, not the host.

Ofc you're switching on for content and opinions, not for the moderator ಠ_ಠ

But I think If Travis works at becoming a better host and stops sitting back and just saying the topics. I think the show can be great.

What's the harm in sitting back? He gives the impulse, guests continue, sit back and enjoy. And the show IS great. Yesterday 10k viewers I think, before 2 weeks 5k?

The distracting thing for me is when he wants to interrupt the discussion to force a break playing ads. This give me the impression that playing ads and having breaks is more important than a good discussion.

Nonetheless, the show is improving every week. Also to include Wickd and others during the show is interessting.

Keep on GJ Travis!

pretty_klinical · 3 months

It just seems like Travis lacks passion for LoL. Turning something like SotL into a job, in my own opinion, would take the fun out of it...thus lack of apparent enthusiasm.

The other problem I see is Travis might not have a powerful enough understanding of the game. It would be difficult to keep a topic flowing as well as someone like Jatt. Understanding what questions to ask on the fly comes from understanding the game and familiarity with the guests.

All things aside, keep doing what you're doing Tnomad. I wouldn't know half as much as I do if it wasn't for your show. What some people tend to forget is that the show isn't about Travis. In no way does he attempt to make it this way, and getting a chance to hear players pick each others brains is a blessing.

Greek820 · 3 months

Lol.. One week we hate travis... the next we love him

kevinc106 · 3 months

I think Travis is a good host, but I feel he needs to be more assertive as the host. It was basically Double, Wickd, and Xpecial jumping down each others throats while he just sat there and listened. I feel he needs to step up and not act like a spectator.

Mashidar · 3 months

While I enjoy the show, I feel the thoughts from the community can only help to improve the overall show. Some are a bit rough, but most are posting in the hopes of improving the overall show.

I don't really see much of a problem with Travis as a host, you can tell he's new at it and as most folks will say when you start doing something new it will take time to adjust and improve. The overall goal for him should be showing that he's taking the steps to improve and it seems like he has been.

Something I think the show should look into is perhaps segments and instead of having all the guests on at once, how about breaking them into different segments that cover different topics. How about a section that deals with mid lane or solo top game play, something on support and have guests that play those roles comment on it.

Travis could play the game more with his guests and just work on improving his overall game. I think more respect from the seasoned players would come from him showing he's trying to improve his overall game play. I don't think anyone expects him to be the best in the game, but to show some passion in the game will get more buy in from folks as well.

Spaffii · 3 months

Why does everyone hate Jatt?

v4v3nd3774 · 3 months

Oh, this thread again...

OhhhWordMayne · 3 months

I'm just waiting for Doublelift to break out laughing when some obscene remark is made.

dinhosaur · 3 months

Travis is a nice guy, he is totally inexperienced with all of this though, he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

While he will never be a day9, he can still be tolerable though. He is putting in effort and energy and we can all appreciate that.

F-M-G · 3 months

so the real questions is JAT SHOUTCAST PLZ???

DivineVodka · 3 months

Jatt is our hero!

encoreAC · 3 months

why is there noVOD avaible? not everyone can wake up 2am to watch this

jfcffs · 3 months

few things

1) travis needs to realize he's an entertainer now. the show isn't just magically entertaining because you skype some pros and toss up a webcam. when I think of reasons why I watch the streamers that I do, it's because they're entertaining to me.

2) understand your audience. people who watch your show are the same people who watch other pro streamers and follow reddit and blogs and all that stuff. they are members of the community. I find it insulting when he cuts off interesting discussion to talk about [insert newest champion here] or "hey what do you guys think about the new skins" or some garbage. chances are we already know.

3) let the show be what it wants to be. it wants to be about pro teams, tournaments, discussion of controversial topics, new players on the scene, etc. facilitate this discussion and make it entertaining. you have 2-5 pros on your stream at any given time, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

CartmanVT · 3 months

Than*

DrCockt3r · 3 months

its cuz wickd is an asshole to travis

Temil · 3 months

It's cause Travis was trying to have fun with it instead of making it some rigorous structurefest.

He takes a lot of the good things from SotG, like how even if they go on a fairly large tangent, he won't stop them, but will rope them back into the question when they are done.

He is a decent entertainer, and i feel he gets better at it every show.

ShotIntoOrbit · 3 months

I cringe every time Travis talks on the show, he is just way too awkward.

[deleted] · 3 months

This kind of criticism is stupid.

There are far better commentators, game play analysts, players, hosts than Travis. But do you need to make a thread about it? Seems like the typical sheep on this forum, people just trash talking Travis for no reason whatsoever. People act like Travis hasn't watched Day9's videos or something.

HeeroMaki · 3 months

Where can I get a vod of this or is it just not up on the main site yet?

Nezn27 · 3 months

And LoL show award goes to SotL

Jatt - Host Travis - PRODUCER

Dude can put the stuff together and let people with more "flow" control it.

TobyOrNotTobyHypz · 3 months

Maybe Travis should make a 1 man show or even 2 man show, just because it is more important to be energetic and entertaining in those settings. That might possibly be part of the power of people such as day9. Go solo, and you will have to be the entertainment.

Sonicrida · 3 months

Ehh I've seen the show get better over the episodes. I've noticed that the complaints that appear after every episode seem to be getting more and more specific. There are less and less things to complain about. This is because Travis is always improving and that's a wonderful thing. I love the show and without Travis, there is no show and there are no pros to listen to. Keep up the good work.

LordRygor · 3 months

I think everyone would respect Travis more if he wore a suit.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/suit%20up/Einion/Suit_Up_500x500.jpg

Coziestpigeon2 · 3 months

Why do people always come on and hate on Travis after SotL? He's doing his best to provide a really cool service, give the guy a break. He's learning.

SquarebobSpongepants · 3 months

So, what did Travis do? Your title seems to suggest he did something. Unless you meant it to be a comparison, then it would be "than" not "then".

Aftershock7 · 3 months

Or how about the fact that Jatt acted like he was the host in general, you can't BLAME Travis for not stepping in and saying "Jatt man, I appreciate what you are doing but this is my show, stop it faggot."

Why do you fuckers have to make a fucking post about EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS. It doesn't matter how small and consequential it is, you guys always have to make a big fucking deal out of it. God dammit this is so irrelevant and stupid.

espressivo · 3 months

This is what happens when someone steals an idea (State of the Game for SC2) but doesn't have the right skills and personality to actually do it. While his intentions seem to be for the good of the community I can't help but think that he started this show because he wanted some e-fame. There was no possible way he could do this in SC2 considering how much more effort it takes to become well known in that scene so he flocked to LoL where its just a developing scene and nothing like this exists.

Compare him to JP from SotG and the difference is night and day, JP has a communications degree and is a well spoken individual, though he can sometimes be a bit awkward. Travis is just some dude in his basement who saw an opportunity to grab a little e-fame but doesn't have the qualifications and abilities to make him a good host.

ImperialDog · 3 months

I've heard a lot of shit talked about how bad travel is at his own show but having watched it tonight for the first time I don't understand all the criticisms. I thought it was a well done show with some of the guests being interesting and some of them being dull. Good job Travis, I enjoyed the show.

Llero · 3 months

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StylesClashv3 · 3 months

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BEEFire · 3 months

when ever he tries to reddit posts about it saying hes a cock for trying to interrupt tehm

Blartt · 3 months

than Travis*

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