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[–]FlawedLogic(NA) 36 points37 points ago

My only problem with Travis is that he's just socially awkward and will say things that no one else will know how to react to.

I thought I was just being too judgmental of the guy until this episode, then he said some things and day9 of all people had a brief pause after Travis spoke where you could see him thinking of how to follow up that statement.

I liked that he let people rant on this episode though, it's a big improvement over some past episodes.

Some advice to Travis: This is your job now, how about trying to make it look a little professional and at least moving the webcam so we can't see your bed in the background and such. It won't take much but having just a wall behind you with maybe a SotL poster in the background will at least give an impression that you're trying.

[–]Suuperdad 21 points22 points ago

I think people give him way too much rope. If this level of unprofessionalism existed in a real job, the dude would be fired faster than I can finish this sentence.

Travis has his bed in the background of his camera. He's a host and he's boring as nails. He looks like he couldn't give 2 poops about his show or the content he is talking about. He's just simply in the wrong line of work. Pure and simple.

All of these "with the risk of sounding harsh" comments.... this is a job for him and he's aweful at it. I like the idea of the show, and it would suck to lose it, but this show needs a new host like Richard Simmons needs a new haircut.

[–]ImaBlackBelt 1 point2 points ago

To be fair I show up to my real job unshaven, hungover and wearing a hockey jersey half the time.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago*

So you're a hockey player?

[–]ImaBlackBelt 0 points1 point ago

No I work in an office

[–]idontgethejoke[Dman of Dhour] (NA) 1 point2 points ago

GRAMMAR NAZI ATTACK:

you're = you are.

your = possessive indicator. As in your grammar sucks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

Thanks...?

[–]Kurtistheman 2 points3 points ago

Speaking of possessive indicators...

[–]GMan129 1 point2 points ago

idk if its social awkwardness or intentionally trying to cause controversy. i dont watch sotl very often and when i do its not for very long, but whenever i watch he seems to be pushing people into an argument or trying to get information that the other person clearly doesnt want to or cant give him. feels kinda like TMZ

[–]FlawedLogic(NA) 1 point2 points ago

It happened while he was complimenting Day9 at one point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

How so? I wasn't able to watch it.

[–]FlawedLogic(NA) 0 points1 point ago

It was during the lengthy goodbye portion and Travis just kind of interrupted him by complimenting him and thanking him kind of out of nowhere. You can see Sean stop for a split second and just go "..yeah" and then talk about something generic to get himself back on track.

[–]ShoopehDoop 0 points1 point ago*

The lack of enthusiasm and energy rubs off on the guests. If you don't want to be there what makes you think that they will. You don't have to be high elo to make this work. You have to actually enjoy it and be like "Hold onto your dick, this show is going to be fucking amazing tonight!"

Personally, instead of staring at your wall, I'd rather you jump on your bed.

[–]KruNCHBoX -3 points-2 points ago

Travis is new and is doing a good job, he reminds of jp months ago. Just do what jp did take the hate and run with it and push your show to new levels to show you belong.

You got it Travis.

[–]Pieson 14 points15 points ago

From Scumbag Jatt to Goodguy Jatt all in a matter of weeks.

[–]Trisul 17 points18 points ago

The scumbag tag was undeserved. Jatt has always been a good guy. IIRC the whole USA-Canada thing was due to Canadian WCG admins who mistakenly cleared Jatt to play.

Jatt is as natural a color commentator for LoL as they come (Dyrus and Chaox are good, but they both have this "drone" to their voices), and I'm super excited about him pairing up with Deman to shoutcast some tourneys soon.

Examples of Jatt color:

[–]Pieson 1 point2 points ago

Of course, people just wanted somebody to blame for what happened, and after blaming Voyboy, Riot, and the WCG staff, Jatt was the next person that the community felt should be flamed. Just somewhat ironic how the community that was so willing to hate him suddenly loves him again. Shows how fickle we are.

[–]Synthets 0 points1 point ago

Wasn't the scumbag title because he ghosted during a tourney?

[–]Golden_Kumquat 0 points1 point ago

He was accused of ghosting WCG Qualifiers, but there was no evidence of it happening.

[–]LeAlthos -1 points0 points ago

You're ASSUMING that Jatt did nothing wrong in the WCG as other people are assuming he did something wrong. The problem is, when you participate in a tournament, you should know and respect the rules, he didn't, it may have been a mistake, but a "good guy" would have forfeited.

Also, I think Reginald said he ghosted during matches, and I think Reginald would lie about this, he may look immature, but he doesn't do stupid shit like this.

[–]offcrcartman[Al Stump] (NA) 54 points55 points ago

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Jatt actually kind of cut off Travis a few times and asked people questions.

It was weird because it just seemed so natural.

[–]VinceOnAPlane 45 points46 points ago

Travis isn't cut out for this. People are watching just for the guests, if it wasn't already painfully obvious.

No one can simply undergo the personality changes necessary to be a more natural host because they want to.

[–]Xet 20 points21 points ago

Travis essentially lacks enthusiasm/charisma. Look at Day9 and how he bubbles with energy, whereas Travis generally doesn't. Perhaps it's something Travis will pick up with time as he gets more confident and just goes on instinct instead of thinking too much.

[–]CozenOne 9 points10 points ago

I really just think its the creepy goatee he has. How can we trust that kind of facial hair?

[–]azureknightgx[azureknightgx] (NA) 2 points3 points ago

i think i read a YT comment once; " He looks like a retarded Nicholas Cage"

[–]CozenOne 2 points3 points ago

" He looks like a more retarded Nicholas Cage"

FTFY

[–]Djkfed[Kêvin] (NA) 2 points3 points ago

I agree that pathetic thing u call a goatee is creepy annoying and does not suit him at all its almost as annoying as the eye fluttering.

[–]paaty 0 points1 point ago

I actually find it hard to look at him for a long period while he is talking. It doesn't have to do with ugliness, it's just that creepy factor going on with his goatee and how it contrasts with his pale skin and ultra red lips..

[–]Zachael 6 points7 points ago

That is something you cant pick up, and, no matter how much time passes, travis will not get close to day 9 ever... that guy is a bundle of charisma unlike any other in esport.

[–]SlasherX 0 points1 point ago

Look at a video of hotshot from 09. Compare him to now.

[–]TheXeph 0 points1 point ago

While some people are naturally charismatic, it is something you can learn with practice. If Travis really wants to succeed at this, it's something he can actively work on and develop.

That being said, I agree with most of the hate on the current SoSotL.

[–]superoprah 4 points5 points ago

About time somebody said this, I've felt this way since I watched the first episode. You can't simply become something you aren't by nature, he may have good skills planning the show but I'm sorry - he isn't cut out to be host.

[–]mafaraxas 0 points1 point ago

That's always the point of a show like this, isn't it? The host may or may not be totally energetic, but that's only a plus. You're always there to listen to the experts.

[–]CloudyOut 6 points7 points ago*

Yea it did seem natural he changed the topic but didn't make it seem as awkward as usual and continued to promote conversation with relevant and interesting questions while occasionally inputting a little of his own insight

there was a point or two where it seemed as though things were out of Travis's hands but Jatt immediately stepped up and cleared things up even if he did cut him off

*edited a part out but anyways Travis can learn a lot from Jatt

[–]Xaevier[Taenshi] (NA) 27 points28 points ago

Travis needs to learn how to make people respect him. Right now everyone ignores him and talks about whatever they want because he has the presence of a rock.

A host needs to be either, loud and likeable, respected and admired, or dominating and authoritative. Right now Travis is meek, complacent, and submissive.

I don't say this to be mean, I just feel these are his core issues that need to be resolved if he wants SOTL to grow

[–]belril[belrildawnslayer] (NA) 64 points65 points ago

I think that this is something that Travis is still working on. It's obvious that he's been hesitant to stop any sort of conversation lately, just because he's afraid of the community's reaction. (Remember when he moderated the argument between Matt Marcou and everyone else and how badly that backfired?) Part of the issue here is that he doesn't want to lose any part of his audience (now that SotL is his day job+ ), and so he's just trying to give everyone what they want, which for some people is just listening to the pros ramble, no matter how not constructive that is.

+For further comments: please do not bring up that decision as a part of your argument for why he should be X or Y. We get it already. Shush.

[–]Ka1to 10 points11 points ago

He is trying to improve and i think he has done it a lot better then in previews episodes.He jumped in a lot of times when 2 or more guys wanted to speak in the heat of the discussion.

Overall he is improving and that is the way.

[–]mafaraxas 2 points3 points ago

I was going to say this myself; assuming that he knew how to resolve the argument between Xpecial and Doublelift, he's too afraid of community backlash to try to interrupt them in a commanding way.

[–]Xeph820 2 points3 points ago

I hate how Travis keeps cutting in when everybody's having a great conversation and says "hold on guys, let's take a commercial break but you guys keep talking" like wtf, so unnecessary, he's cutting the players' train of thought. Honestly, jatt or any other pro can make their own show and be better. And I agree with posts here, he has to make it more professional.

[–]moush 2 points3 points ago

Travis won't be able to change his personality.

[–]AnimusNZ 80 points81 points ago

At the risk of mass downvotes, i just don't think Travis possesses the charisma that day9 has. Wether its a lack of passion or simply his personality i dont know but it doesnt feel the same. Its not an insult to Travis at all its just my opinion. Its not natural and at times he can be somewhat socially awkward and no matter how much of a nice guy he is, it doesnt circumvent the problem, just my 2c

[–]GreedDisaster 50 points51 points ago*

Actually everyone in the "commentator/moderator-scene" is unable to keep up with day9 in the matter of performance and charisma. That guy is born to do what he does. It's plain amazing how his enthusiasm for everything is transfered to the audience.

Comparing Travis and day9's appearance is almost unfair. He is a totally different kind of guy. Deal with it.

Biggest point of criticism against him seems to be his insecurity...well, pointing out everything he did wrong, in minute detail, after every show he performs won't change a thing. You describe the symptomes, yet you are ironically part of the disease itself.

[–]Xet 10 points11 points ago

Tobi Wan would like to have a word with you.

[–]Braindog 1 point2 points ago

He is easily one of the best casters in esports.

[–]GreedDisaster 1 point2 points ago

That guy is just insane...I mean literally.

[–]theDreampie 1 point2 points ago

never having played or watched DotA i had to look up Tobi Wan on youtube.

and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95SYdjRVCR0

[–]Xet 2 points3 points ago

Insanely awesome I think you mean to say :)

I'm by no means a DotA fan, but that guy certainly has a tremendous amount of enthusiasm.

[–]GreedDisaster -1 points0 points ago

True.

[–]LeAlthos 0 points1 point ago

Not a fan of DotA or Tobi, but you can sure say he enjoys what he does, good to see =D

[–]studiosupport[insmdos] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

Nobody can match the enthusiasm of Tobi Wan.

[–]AnimusNZ 1 point2 points ago

Being the public face for a talk show comes with inherent criticism, its the wrong business to be in if you can't handle it to be honest. Its brutal but its the truth

[–]GreedDisaster 0 points1 point ago*

Agreed. So the best thing Travis can do now is to avoid reddit and its occasionally emerging hate- and envythreads.

He considered himself one of us and was definitely open for constructive criticism and suggestions for improvements.

His ongoing consultation with the fanbase made him attackable...it pretty much looks like his good intentions to make everyone happy regarding his project prompted a lot of people to give him shit twenty-four-seven in an uncouth manner. It's the misbehaviour that annoys me. Thought redditors would be smarter...well, at least they think they are.

[–]Margra 11 points12 points ago

But Day9 isn't the one who hosts State of the Game (Sc2's sister show), JP does. JP is a bit more like Travis in his persona, but is way more professional.

I don't want to put this all on him, either. There seems to be a massive lack of respect between people on the show. A large percentage of the show is people trying to talk over one another instead of listening and responding, and after a while it gives me a headache. Yes, the show should be more fluid, and I think a good part of that falls on the host, but I also think a large part falls on the other people to not act like they are at some bar shouting over everyone.

[–]sixsidepentagon 3 points4 points ago

This is pretty true; the good news for Travis is that this sort of thing can be practiced, despite initial reservations. I think the only real problem is his social awkwardness; he doesn't seem comfortable with conversations, and no amount of preparing with show notes or rehearsing certain lines will fix that. He needs to go out a lot and just practice approaching people and talking to them, and making them feel comfortable. He needs to practice a lot talking to strangers and putting himself in uncomfortable positions so they're not uncomfortable anymore.

[–]chaosaxess(NA) 23 points24 points ago

Then Travis... what? WHAT DID TRAVIS DO?!

[–]_Mik 19 points20 points ago

Travis as a person can be as nice as he wants, but the problem amounts to how much he actually likes the game. From what I've seen of the show, he just sits there and stares blankly at a wall for 30 minutes, till he thinks it's time to move on. Day9 is a great host because he thoroughly enjoys the topics and esports in general, while still loving the game. Travis just seems to want to outline topics that users have submitted, and go back to watching porn. Once you have someone that is thoroughly interested in the game and the players opinions, then the respect from asking knowledgeable questions and insightful topics, then you will have a great host. Even JP (from State of the game) loves sc2. When they start talking about broodwar, the same awkwardness from JP comes in. It's all about respecting the players knowledge and loving the game, something that I don't think Travis will ever have.

[–]mafaraxas 0 points1 point ago

When Travis has tried to participate more in the past, not "staring blankly at a wall," he got flamed by the r/league community because they said they only cared about the pros talking, and he was getting in the way by participating or interrupting. The topics aren't things that people submit, he creates them himself.

Your characterization of Travis as some forever-alone guy who doesn't love the game, is not interested in the players, and "goes back to watching porn" afterwards is completely off. You might want to watch the aftershow next time. He has a girlfriend (not over the internet) and a normal group of friends.

And why would he even want to do the show if he didn't love the game and the esports potential of LoL? He's mentioned multiple times about how the show started when he was talking with Doublelift about how he wished he could do more for LoL esports.

[–]_Mik 1 point2 points ago*

You took the portrayal of Travis way more seriously than you should have. What i said was just to show how he doesn't do anything for the show but watch blankly at a wall, and doesn't want to hear the pros. Doing more for the community doesn't mean that he loves the game. You have to be extremely interested in the content. If he wants to contribute more to esports he has to actually play the game. Without any decent knowledge of the game you can't contribute other than watch. All he did for the show was ask users what to talk about, and try to chime in without any actual knowledge just common sense. That's why he didn't know when the pro's were just arguing about nothing, and when it was actual content. Everyone got mad at him before because his questions were retarded and his timings were awful, and this all is derived from no actual game knowledge. And he doesn't just do this for the love of the game or for esports, it's his job, which is probably much easier and less time consuming than his previous.

[–]trafikant(EU-W) 1 point2 points ago

You might have a point sir. And You're the first one who criticize him and I don't find it like pure "I will never be happy" criticism int his topic.

[–]sn3eky 15 points16 points ago

You can tell Travis is trying a lot harder now and he is improving. However I still don't like him :)

[–]Avenged492 12 points13 points ago

The problem with Travis is that he doesn't command any respect it seems from the players. There were times tonight that he tried multiple times to stop the discussion to no avail. He needs to be more confident in whatever he is going to do. Just don't interrupt good conversation to get those ad's in.

[–]lp_phnx327 7 points8 points ago

I agree with the authority part. It's not Travis's fault, but a pro player naturally commands more respect with other pro players just because he understands the flow of the argument much better and therefore knows when to step it and knows how to properly steer the conversation in the right direction.

[–]tsjb[tsjb] (EU-W) 11 points12 points ago

It's not Travis's fault, but a pro player naturally commands more respect with other pro players

I don't want to sound like i'm on the "hate Travis" bandwagon, he seems like an ok guy, but some people aren't cut out for certain things (I certainly couldn't do it) but it's not like he is going to go pro any time soon and if he can't control the flow of his show and stop arguments then it just seems like he isnt cut out for being a presenter when that is the main role of a presenter.

[–]lp_phnx327 1 point2 points ago

Yea, it's difficult just by the nature of the show. It's a show about a game. The show is too casual and the fact that the pro players are very fervent in their opinions only leads to the guests feeling like they have free reign over the conversation. That's a hell of problem for any presenter to overcome.

[–]Drekke1 0 points1 point ago

He should demand respect from the players: tries to cut them off and they don't listen? Mute their mic. They'll learn to let him move the conversation along

[–]Pingmeep 5 points6 points ago

Here's what I think happened. Jatt has something else coming up likely involving being behind a microphone. Look at the elements in play.

  • left Team Dignitas
  • is set to cast some matches soon
  • has a potential project lined up
  • is getting paid by MLG to be a guest on a show / audition for a spot
  • various members on Team Dignitas have mentioned that both IPL and MLG are looking for casters and in the case of IPL are willing to train them

His performance on SotL last night almost seemed like an attempt to exercise his skills and build some tape for an audition.

Make of that what you will.

[–]sofawall 10 points11 points ago

State of the Game, the inspiration for SotL, somehow manages to get conversation moving along. I don't really watch SotG enough to know whether it's mainly JP or not, but Travis could learn a lot from the flow of SotG.

Of course, it obviously helps that many of the guests of SotG have known each other for years and years, and it comes across as a bunch of buddies hanging out and talking Starcraft, much of the time.

[–]Fouroh 16 points17 points ago

JP does a really good job controlling the flow of the show, but we have to remember it's not just him. I've watched a lot of both, and I honestly feel like the guests help JP way more on sotg. They go on tangents, but they know when to reel things back in and try and stay focused. The guests on sotl will often get into a topic, and within a few minutes it devolves into a random skype conversation like they would have on stream solo queuing. Tyler, Geoff, Sean, Dan, all respect JP and it shows. I want to say the same for Travis but I can't. I hope that I can soon though, and it will take effort by both parties.

tl;dr I think JP does a better job hosting then Travis, but I don't think he gets as much help from his guests either.

[–]tbydal 7 points8 points ago

This is precisely it. The guests on SotG are as a rule more adult, considerate and well thought out.

But really, the underlying reason is probably that the Starcraft scene is so much more developed, with most of the participants being 10-year veterans of the community.

[–]Margra 2 points3 points ago

They have respect for each other, be it as players, casters, etc. They don't talk over each other. They disagree a lot but it ends in a way that doesn't make the viewer uncomfortable. It's not all Travis (just as it's not all JP). Guests need to mature, stop taking everything personally (stop making everything personal, too!), and treat this as an actual show (they may have to lose the gamer-rage mentality)

[–]FlawedLogic(NA) 4 points5 points ago

Well JP is generally working with the same 4 people every week. They've done this enough to build up a rapport and know what works best for their show.

Not to mention that 2 of them are famous casters, another is a great caster but still plays competitively.

[–]fofifth 10 points11 points ago

Day9, in my opinion, seems like he is a tv star or radio show host who also has a video feed. Not to hate on Travis but I think Day9 could run that show better just because of his personality/the way he conducts himself. And this was the first time I've seen or heard of Day9.

[–]Llero 5 points6 points ago

Day9 is a StarCraft celebrity. He does regular streams, is funny, insightful, and a pleasure to watch. Yes, he could do a better job hosting the show than Travis.

[–]ClgSaint 7 points8 points ago

Travis and SotL is the platform, dont know why everyone hates on him

[–]Waul 3 points4 points ago

Jatt reminds me so much of Idra. heh.

[–]cheerioo 6 points7 points ago

Thing is, I feel like most of what the people on the show is interesting. I was a little upset today when Travis stopped Xpecial from talking about Nasus.

[–]paglacky[paglacky] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

I feel Wickd asked really aggressively, Trav jumped in like 'HEY WOW NOW, STEADY ON, SON' in his fashion. Turns out, wickd was just 'curious'.

[–]Lunco 0 points1 point ago

Xpecial did get to talk about it though :D

[–]Smirnofff 3 points4 points ago

Travis has been acting like this since SOTL 18,when Saintvicious was there.The reaction of everyone was that he was a sandbag and interrupted most funny talks/jokes.That's why he's been hesitating in stopping conversations right away

[–]RoyalPeach 2 points3 points ago

i don't usually watch SotL, but last night i decided to watch it for a bit. the host at one point couldn't get some of the guys to stop talking, so he said something like "ok i'm just gonna mute you both." i understand he wanted them to be quiet, but for someone who's making money off this, it seemed so unprofessional. from what i saw as well, i thought Jatt asked things in a more natural "i care about your answer" kind of way.

[–]dvtnlx 3 points4 points ago

What really puts me off the most is that he's trying to be "professional" when he and his guests are obviously not, they do not want to be and most importantly do not even have to be. As far as I am concerned I'm not interested in a boring PG13 podcast that tries to be as professional/clean as possible to not cut out potential sponsors, at least that's my impression of SotL right now. If you're trying too hard to put on this act all you do is look even less professional and lose credibility and soul (which makes State of the Game so appealing to me personally). The whole stiffness that Travis brings into this equation as a person just enforces the whole thing further and I really feel a bit sorry for him because I'm pretty sure he'll take this feedback personal. :(

[–]mikedawgx 95 points96 points ago

OP made it sound nicer than it is.

Travis: Stop being socially awkward and shit. Converse, don't force questions at people, and act like you're participating. You're on camera and you have thousands of viewers, and it looks like you just got out of the hospital. This show could be so much more. I almost can't watch it because SotL is a bunch of socially awkward dudes staring blankly at a screen, and you're the main perpetrator of the crime. I can see feel the grease on your hand as you run it through your hair. And asking for donations makes you sound like a bitch -- I'd be more willing if you didn't look anemic.

[–]Inoko[Inoko] (NA) 18 points19 points ago

He needs to look at the camera when people are talking to him or answering his questions, and not constantly have his gaze sliding around his room. If he can't do that... he needs to put something REALLY interesting behind his monitor that he can stare at, so he can at least fake it.

[–]eMan117 5 points6 points ago

[–]Christemo[Christemo] (EU-W) 4 points5 points ago

is that what this is based on?

[–]Warly[Arlum] (NA) 1 point2 points ago

He reminds me of one of those family friendly wow guild leaders...if that makes any sense. He's too PC and controlling of the situation. His questions aren't free-form enough..he states a question and..Person A, opinion? Person B, opinion?.

Point is, make it an enjoyable discussion amongst friends. I'd also make a point to at least keep the awkward players balanced with players such as wickd and reginald.

[–]CozenOne 1 point2 points ago

It would really just help if he was a good player, and had something to contribute in terms of conversation. I could care less, but he does not give an impression that he knows ANYTHING about the game. Last night he didn't really talk about what HE saw at kiev. Granted, not everyone can be a pro, but you should be as informed as impossible.

[–]belril[belrildawnslayer] (NA) 5 points6 points ago

Last night he didn't really talk about what HE saw at kiev.

Look at the rest of the comments in this thread. Notice the ones that mention only watching SotL for the pros' opinions. Travis is trying to talk as little as possible, because the feedback he gets is that people don't want to listen to him. If you read his site, it's clear that he's well-informed, but if he flubs anything (especially about a tournament) people will be on his ass. Why should he give his opinion on anything when it usually draws criticism?

[–]arcaria 1 point2 points ago

Player skill is highly correlated with but by no means necessary for a strong understanding of the game.

I don't even watch SotL very often, so I don't know where Travis stands, but the above is my reaction whenever I hear something about a commentator needing to be a good player.

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[–]Swissguru[Alegría] (EU-West) 12 points13 points ago

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

And until I see Travis running around with Rolex and Gold teeth I will call you an idiot for calling that "leeching off the success".

He's struggling to make a living while providing a 3 hour show every week.

Show some goddamn appreciation or stop watching the Show.

[–]w_p[Shaileen] (EU-NE) -1 points0 points ago

Maybe... BECAUSE it's a 3 hour show that people seemingly don't even enjoy that much. You know, normal people work like 8 hours a day for 5 days a week to make their living.

[–]Swissguru[Alegría] (EU-West) -4 points-3 points ago

Vocal minority. That's the only reason you see more complaints than happy people.

And I have a 1 hour drive TO and another 1h way BACK from work. I LOVE 3 HOUR PODCASTS.

I might also be a vocal minority, obviously. But I enjoy the show, even though there sure are things you could do better. SotG is no exception to that though.

[–]TheDashiki 0 points1 point ago

He isn't saying it is bad because it is 3 hours. He is saying he is struggling to make a living because you can't make a living off a 3 hour show once a week when most people work 40 hours a week to make a living. He probably puts more time into prep for the show, but it isn't 37 hours of prep.

[–]ThePolly 0 points1 point ago

If you've watched the pre-show, he comes up with the notes about 30 minutes before they start.

[–]Aggrokid 21 points22 points ago

Only recently fans were complaining that Travis was too heavy-handed in controlling the discussion.

Suddenly fans complain that he's not moderating it enough.

(Jackie Chan face)

[–]Shiv_ 22 points23 points ago

There's a huge difference between abruptly ending discussions that are relevant and still going on (that's what people criticize Travis for) and controlling the direction a discussion is going to take without interrupting anyone mid-sentence (that's what people think Jatt did really well.)

Nobody said he's not moderating it enough. He's just not moderating it well enough.

[–]moush -2 points-1 points ago

I don't see how anyone can defend Travis, they must be even worse basement dwellers than him.

[–]rue7[rues] (NA) 3 points4 points ago

Agreed with all the OP said. This made me wonder if "Jatt's New Plans" he eluded to tonight involve hosting a similar show, and his excuse to not reveal the plans were partially to preserve confidentiality, but also so as not to piss off Travis.

The questions Jatt had for Day[9] only furthered my suspicion.

[–]rljohn 0 points1 point ago

I'm sure Jatt is doing something industry related, either shoutcasting, show hosting or something with Riot.

[–]theDreampie 2 points3 points ago

you know we've had that discussion a few times already. if he had kept them in place someone would've made a post that said. "hey travis. why don't let them just talk? i like when their discussions just float".

but you're right when you say that there is still a lot travis can learn and has to learn. i'm sure he will agree.

and i'm also sure he's working on that.

[–]PowPunch 3 points4 points ago*

My biggest problem with state of the league is that they don't seem to like each other. All they do is argue and ramble most episodes I've seen.

When I watch state of the game I think that these are the personalities that fit the show.

It kind of kills SotL for me to have watched SotG because they aren't friends.

[–]jhoiz 5 points6 points ago

Travis isn't good at what he does. So many people can do a better job.

[–]Vieto 6 points7 points ago

You watch SotL, that's your problem right there.

[–]PopeVsJesus[PopeVsJesus] (NA) 3 points4 points ago

I believe the word you're looking for is "than" and lose the comma.

[–]trafikant(EU-W) 1 point2 points ago

I just red it as "Jatt did a better job of "controlling" SOTL tonight, then Travis."

Then Travis. Wtf "then travis". My point is. You made me laugh.

[–]CandidWalrus[WindycityJuggalo] (NA) 4 points5 points ago

I just "red" your post

[–]trafikant(EU-W) 3 points4 points ago

Seem like I orgot a letter.

[–]unexceptional 1 point2 points ago

Eats, shoots, and leaves

[–]dabezian 21 points22 points ago

I feel like Travis is using SotL as some sort of claim to fame when he actually is no more qualified than any other player. The only thing he has above the average player is Doublelift as a roommate.

In all honesty, he should just hand off the show to someone else more qualified. He really has nothing to contribute to it. He fails to moderate well. His questions aren't that great. It's nothing but an organized talk with a bunch of pros. They should just do it without him.

[–]Widdis[Collider] (NA) 31 points32 points ago

This endless bashing that the guy gets is incredibly unnecessary. I honestly think the show has a lot more potential, but this guy has put together a legitimate forum for these players to communicate through. Constructive criticism does wonders, not saying "fuck you, you suck, next!"

Props to Travis, he was the first to do it and has done it a hell of a lot better than I could have done. I wish the show luck in the future.

[–]flaim 5 points6 points ago

It's just the fact that's he's been doing it for literally months now, yet there hasn't been much of an improvement in the show.

[–]Suuperdad 6 points7 points ago

I feel the same way sometimes. I feel bad for the guy for all the hate he gets, but the dude is just seriously terrible at his job. This is his job now, and he's just really really bad at it, and really isn't improving.

If someone so bad at his job existed at any other place, he'd be fired and replaced instantly.

One other thing too...

As much as I'm a huge fan of Dyrus and everything he says and does, his personality and Travis' just make the show so hard to watch. Dyrus is great because he's very insightful and knowledgable, but he really needs someone upbeat and lively to contrast his natural tone and feel.

Travis also being so monotone and "bland" make anytime these two talk back and forth feel like I'm about to go unconscious.

[–]toastymow[toastymow] (NA) -1 points0 points ago

WTF? I dunno about you, but last night's episode was magical. Yeah, Travis didn't say much, but that's because he had the wisdom (wisdom he didn't have at the beginning of the show!) to let Jatt, Doublelift and Xpecial do their thing. PS: Xpecial I love you all the more because of SOTL last night. You're amazing. <3

[–]crazeman 1 point2 points ago

Exactly, comment's like the OP goes with what Day[9] said about just not giving a fuck about what people say about you and just do whatever you want/can to contribute to the scene and be at least starting somewhere.

I can understand constructive criticism but some of these comments are ridiculousness, dude goes out on his own initiative, makes his own show and people want him to step down and hand it off to someone else even though he's not even making that much money from it yet.

[–]SovietK 3 points4 points ago

Everyone else can go ahead and make their own show. This is his project why do he not have the right to do it? He is working hard for this. Nobody forces you to watch it.

[–]whighamz 14 points15 points ago

I don't really understand how he works hard for this. He has a 4-6 way skype call on stream once a week. I have no fucking clue what he does with the rest of his week, other than post on reddit to promote his show that doesn't (I don't think) get many viewers. All I really know is he quit his job and expects a once-a-week show to pay his bills, has a very awkward personality that doesn't fit well with a hosting role, and he lets Doublelift live with him (probably mainly to help him pay rent).

[–]spacebarbarian 1 point2 points ago*

I hate to feel the same way, I know its not fair to him, he took the initiative and created the show, but his hosting ability has just not gotten any better since the show started. It was more than apparent this episode. At this point I agree that he should just hand it off to a better conversation mediator like Jatt (who has easily been one of the most insightful and watchable personalities on the show). It's funny that I take the last episode as an example when day9 stated that you should never listen to anyone that tells you to not do something. But its not the same in this case, what Travis has proven to be good at is being a proactive organizer and coordinator. He is good at fetching the talent, organizing the show, starting from having nothing. I think he could still contribute to lots in that department, while letting someone more suitable be the face on the show. It's almost like he is trying too hard to get better at something that doesn't fit him well, instead of applying himself somewhere he has succeeded. Hope he finds that out soon.

[–]do_all_the_awesome 0 points1 point ago

I liked this episode..it flowed nicely at times. The discussions were great but I feel that Travis needs to learn how to flow the talks rather than abruptly end one and start another. Also, I don't think he should really worry about going over time (what's the worst that will happen - he'll make more money from extra breaks? If the pros are cool with it why not?)

He's just not that skilled at being a host. He seems more like a viewer than someone participating.

I really liked Jatt in this one.

[–]kigabit 4 points5 points ago

I think Travis needs to watch this episode for himself, see how Jatt directs the discussion and learn to do it that way himself.

[–]Graal2 1 point2 points ago

State of the Jatt ? He was working on secret stuff :D

[–]GraveD[GraveDizzle] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

than Travis.

[–]SamiNami 1 point2 points ago

Travis is not that bad, it's doublift who makes the show unwatchable, everything he said last show was a waste of time. If he comes on again next week I'm going to skip lol...

[–]joegath[joegath] (NA) 2 points3 points ago

Jatt did a better job of "controlling" SOTL tonight, then Travis.... THEN TRAVIS WHAT???

[–]Makagi 0 points1 point ago

Being the host is really hard, because anything the audience doesnt like is blamed on the Host. even so i did not watch this particular episode (its quite late for german time), I also had the feeling that Travis has some hardships trying to get the conversation on naturally, without cutting the pros off. He should consider visiting a seminar for moderating, so he gets a lot of tricks, or should try to mix up his questions a bit according to the flow of the conversation.

But i dont understand ONE thing: Travis is willing to get the community an insight view of the proffessional League of Legends scene. WHY DO PPL HATE HIM? I just don't get that.

[–]nothisispatrickeu 5 points6 points ago

then travis what? finish your sentence bro.

or did you mean "than travis" ?

[–]stinkmeaner92 3 points4 points ago

Just get rid of doublelift....

[–]muldune 0 points1 point ago

Awesome episode

[–]chazaaam 1 point2 points ago

i loved how nervous he was while talking to day9 :)

[–]farmland 3 points4 points ago

Than Travis*

[–]PutBoy[PutBoy] (EU-W) 0 points1 point ago

OMG people, so much fucking hate. Everytime he does something that someone doesn't like it's posted here and everyone who agrees posts in that thread. It's not a balance discussion and I would encourage Travis to ignore it.

These are your opinions but they are stated as fact and they are backed up by people who never met the guy, doesn't know the guy, and it's stated as fact.

So hateful community. Scumbag Community.

[–]Sirkip[S] -1 points0 points ago

Hate? Did I ever "hate" on him? I said he needs work. And he has stated he needs work. Did I ever say this is fact? No. It is my opinion on how the show went and criticism to make it better. Travis shouldn't ignore anything the fans tell him. Its all opinions, and clearly i received more up votes then down. So why wouldn't he want to know what his fans thing?

Your the one hating on my post, calling the community "Scumbags" because they post there opinions. So before you go stating that I said anything was fact, go fuck your self.

[–]PutBoy[PutBoy] (EU-W) -1 points0 points ago

dude, you are hateful. And he shouldn't listen to you.

[–]Lunco 2 points3 points ago

It's funny people trashing Travis and saying how awesome is day9. Have you seen any of the day9 early stuff? It's horrible. I'm certain he wouldn't be this good today if he got this much shit from the community.

The thing I do agree with is that Travis should play more League more competitively so he could converse about it more naturally. I think hitting 2k elo should be his goal - it might even be an interesting conversation topic each week, where he solves his problems by asking pros for advice.

ps: The casting they did with Nhat was fairly decent.

[–]Vsx[Badministrator] (NA) 1 point2 points ago

I don't think Travis is going to get 2k elo without some sort of voodoo magic. He's been playing since beta and he's still like 1400 level skill. Some people are just more casual with their gaming and don't possess the mindset to get to top levels. There are only 435 NA accounts at 2000+ elo at the time of this posting and a lot of those are smurfs, it's just not an easy thing to do.

[–]dismal626 1 point2 points ago*

Am I the only one that watches SotL and find nothing wrong with it at all?

Travis, if you read this, don't let all of this shit put you down. I think the show is great and I'm truly grateful that someone had enough passion for all of this to go through the effort of putting something like SotL together and making it one of the most, if not THE most entertaining and down to earth show in the e-sports community and I guarantee you that there are a lot of people, probably the majority of them, who feel the same exact way. Sure everyone has room for improvement, but people act as if you're destroying the show which is just fucking retarded imho. Don't sweat it.

[–]Llero 0 points1 point ago

Have you ever watched even one of Day9's streams? A Fun-Day Monday, perhaps? Even if you're not a SC2 player, they're very, very funny, and a pleasure to watch.

Watch a few more shows in the e-sports community before you cut Travis slack he may not really deserve.

[–]dismal626 1 point2 points ago

I have, but I don't like Starcraft and watching the show purely for his personality gets old after a while. I personally find SotL a more enjoyable show to watch and I'm sure there are many other people who feel the same way, that was the point I was trying to get across. I wasn't trying to say that his show is objectively better in every way to every other show out there and I'm sorry if I made it out to seem that way.

[–]JokerSmilez -1 points0 points ago

THIS JUST IN: Travis isn't a very good host. In fact, he pretty much sucks. He does not have the personality for it.

MORE AT 11!

[–]silentseba 1 point2 points ago

What irks me the most about the show are the breaks. Why do you need to have so mane breaks that destroy the flow of the game? When the pro gamers just keep talking and travis is the only one that actually leaves. IF ANYTHING... he should be the one staying, entertaining the audience and give the pro players a chance to take a break.

[–]TryFace 0 points1 point ago

Breaks = commercial breaks which = money, only problem is some of the best conversation takes place during these break due to the guest being able to ask their own questions without a scripted setting. Too bad Travis doesn't have a section of the show where pros can come up with their own topic to discuss because they end up doing it themselves anyways and its seen as going on a tangent then Travis looks like he cant moderate and is a poor host. If it was a structured part of his show people would be interested in the topics the pros want to talk about and Travis wouldn't been seen as someone who can't control his own show.

P.s. would love to see a show with atlanta, scarra, Jatt, wickd, and Dan; these guys have some of the best insight on the game and can convey their thoughts well too

[–]hollywoodAnimal 0 points1 point ago

Too bad Travis doesn't have a section of the show where pros can come up with their own topic to discuss

Actually... Travis did have the section at the very end. He asked the pros, "Is there anything you all want to talk about?"

And no one said anything.

The thing about the guests is that they expect to come and be spoon-fed the topics (as they are) and when something pops up that interests them, they react as if they just saw something shiny, which is often discordant with the show.

In short, both Travis and guests need more work. Also, Travis may want to pick his guests more carefully (I think that both Jatt and Xpecial were especially awesome last night).

[–]TryFace 0 points1 point ago

Ya never really get the chance to watch the WHOLE show maybe a couple times but never heard him say that. Just know during the breaks are some of the best conversations of the show when wickd or someone will ask "hey **** what do you think about this" and it gets really good until Travis gets back and stops them to get back on topic which the topics are a lot of the same stuff every week "what do you think of new champ, patch notes, etc". Maybe he can talk with pros before the show and ask what would be an interesting topic you would like to discuss with everyone? Just gets a little boring and dry after an hour & half-two hours in. Especially when his guests start leaving (know its not his fault). If hey can throw the free topic time little earlier because I'm guessing people want to leave after they have been on for 3 hours rather then starting a new topic then.

[–]GriefTheBro 1 point2 points ago

Jatt asked some really good questions ill give him that, and Travis let the arguments go with the flow, so it was a really nice episode, also you could see travis cringe everytime locodoco said fuck or fucking wich was every 3rd or 4th word.

[–]fireitup622 -1 points0 points ago

imo it's not really his fault, but an innate issue of him not really being on the same level as the guests. Do you think he can truly contribute very much to a conversation? I don't blame him, only another pro could (day9 happens to be a charismatic former pro after all). Even yesterday they were talking about soraka and his contribution was more just reiterating what she could do instead of why it was important. Since he isn't a pro himself who possesses their insightful knowledge, he either has to risk including himself in the conversations and sounding stupid, let them talk while he sits quietly, or serve as an active listener and just rehash what they say which gets pretty old pretty quickly.

[–]celadez 0 points1 point ago

I think most of the communities problem with Travis, is he brings in competitive players and tries to moderate the competitive players talking about the competitive scene while having no experience playing at a high level in this game. Because of this, most people would rather listen to what people like Xpecial, Wickd, and Doublelift have to say about high level play than have Travis interrupt them.

[–]pandau 0 points1 point ago

It felt really awkward that Jatt had to be the one to steer the conversation in the right direction. He hit the sweet spot when it came to moderating the conversation, and this is something Travis seem to really struggle with, as it looks like he is most comfortable with either zipping his mouth shut or breaking the conversation off entirely.

[–]PeetaBread 0 points1 point ago

A bunch of awkward dudes complaining about more awkward dudes being awkward.

[–]Jmcrash98 0 points1 point ago

Honestly, everyones rambling can be condensed to just be confident in what youre doing.

[–]Slish 0 points1 point ago

Am I the only one that felt awkward when Travis said Day9 goodbye like 10 times and saw that even Day9 was like 'uuuuhm ok...?' at the end..?

[–]Frolic3 0 points1 point ago

That Matt Marcou conversation was unmanagable unless you are Oprah or Judge Judy. Reginald was angry. Matt was put in a bad position.

[–]iPokGai 1 point2 points ago

For everyone comparing Day[9] to Travis, I think its just stupid. If you look back at Day[9]'s first dailys they were fucking terrible. That being said I think we should just give the man some more time. Day[9] didn't just magically become the person he was today. Imo it just takes time to develop public speaking and to develop a character that the public likes

[–]mohoff 0 points1 point ago

Well the show gets more and more attention every week.

Yesterday, there was no need for Travis to interrupt the discussion because, as he said on stream, "good stuff is going on". Yes, Jatt is a professional who's popular and knows how to express himself. He's a very nice guest, maintains discussion culture and can speak freely because he doesn't belong to a team anymore.

Travis showed his schedule at the very beginning of the episode, for me it's a plan "what to do if there's no discussion going on". And he has still the opportunity to lead the discussion to another topic when he wants to.

The guest are what keep me coming back, not the host.

Ofc you're switching on for content and opinions, not for the moderator ಠ_ಠ

But I think If Travis works at becoming a better host and stops sitting back and just saying the topics. I think the show can be great.

What's the harm in sitting back? He gives the impulse, guests continue, sit back and enjoy. And the show IS great. Yesterday 10k viewers I think, before 2 weeks 5k?

The distracting thing for me is when he wants to interrupt the discussion to force a break playing ads. This give me the impression that playing ads and having breaks is more important than a good discussion.

Nonetheless, the show is improving every week. Also to include Wickd and others during the show is interessting.

Keep on GJ Travis!

[–]pretty_klinical 0 points1 point ago

It just seems like Travis lacks passion for LoL. Turning something like SotL into a job, in my own opinion, would take the fun out of it...thus lack of apparent enthusiasm.

The other problem I see is Travis might not have a powerful enough understanding of the game. It would be difficult to keep a topic flowing as well as someone like Jatt. Understanding what questions to ask on the fly comes from understanding the game and familiarity with the guests.

All things aside, keep doing what you're doing Tnomad. I wouldn't know half as much as I do if it wasn't for your show. What some people tend to forget is that the show isn't about Travis. In no way does he attempt to make it this way, and getting a chance to hear players pick each others brains is a blessing.

[–]Greek820 -1 points0 points ago

Lol.. One week we hate travis... the next we love him

[–]kevinc106 -1 points0 points ago

I think Travis is a good host, but I feel he needs to be more assertive as the host. It was basically Double, Wickd, and Xpecial jumping down each others throats while he just sat there and listened. I feel he needs to step up and not act like a spectator.

[–]Mashidar 0 points1 point ago

While I enjoy the show, I feel the thoughts from the community can only help to improve the overall show. Some are a bit rough, but most are posting in the hopes of improving the overall show.

I don't really see much of a problem with Travis as a host, you can tell he's new at it and as most folks will say when you start doing something new it will take time to adjust and improve. The overall goal for him should be showing that he's taking the steps to improve and it seems like he has been.

Something I think the show should look into is perhaps segments and instead of having all the guests on at once, how about breaking them into different segments that cover different topics. How about a section that deals with mid lane or solo top game play, something on support and have guests that play those roles comment on it.

Travis could play the game more with his guests and just work on improving his overall game. I think more respect from the seasoned players would come from him showing he's trying to improve his overall game play. I don't think anyone expects him to be the best in the game, but to show some passion in the game will get more buy in from folks as well.

[–]Spaffii 0 points1 point ago

Why does everyone hate Jatt?

[–]v4v3nd3774 1 point2 points ago

Oh, this thread again...

[–]OhhhWordMayne[ItsEAMayne] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

I'm just waiting for Doublelift to break out laughing when some obscene remark is made.

[–]dinhosaur 0 points1 point ago

Travis is a nice guy, he is totally inexperienced with all of this though, he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

While he will never be a day9, he can still be tolerable though. He is putting in effort and energy and we can all appreciate that.

[–]F-M-G 0 points1 point ago

so the real questions is JAT SHOUTCAST PLZ???

[–]DivineVodka[DivineVodka] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

Jatt is our hero!

[–]encoreAC 0 points1 point ago

why is there noVOD avaible? not everyone can wake up 2am to watch this

[–]jfcffs 0 points1 point ago

few things

1) travis needs to realize he's an entertainer now. the show isn't just magically entertaining because you skype some pros and toss up a webcam. when I think of reasons why I watch the streamers that I do, it's because they're entertaining to me.

2) understand your audience. people who watch your show are the same people who watch other pro streamers and follow reddit and blogs and all that stuff. they are members of the community. I find it insulting when he cuts off interesting discussion to talk about [insert newest champion here] or "hey what do you guys think about the new skins" or some garbage. chances are we already know.

3) let the show be what it wants to be. it wants to be about pro teams, tournaments, discussion of controversial topics, new players on the scene, etc. facilitate this discussion and make it entertaining. you have 2-5 pros on your stream at any given time, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

[–]belril[belrildawnslayer] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

Per 2: I don't have time to watch streams. If I want to unwind after a long day, I play League. I might get a chance to catch a vlog here and there, but I can't tune into a stream all the time. I listen to SotL because I want to get caught up on what the pros are thinking, so no, I don't already know this stuff right off the bat. And to be perfectly honest, if Travis just assumed that people knew what the pros thought about things, then there would be no reason for me to watch, because I'd be comically out of the loop.

[–]CartmanVT[CartmanVT] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

Than*

[–]DrCockt3r -1 points0 points ago

its cuz wickd is an asshole to travis

[–]Temil[Temzilla] (NA) 0 points1 point ago

It's cause Travis was trying to have fun with it instead of making it some rigorous structurefest.

He takes a lot of the good things from SotG, like how even if they go on a fairly large tangent, he won't stop them, but will rope them back into the question when they are done.

He is a decent entertainer, and i feel he gets better at it every show.

[–]ShotIntoOrbit -1 points0 points ago

I cringe every time Travis talks on the show, he is just way too awkward.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

This kind of criticism is stupid.

There are far better commentators, game play analysts, players, hosts than Travis. But do you need to make a thread about it? Seems like the typical sheep on this forum, people just trash talking Travis for no reason whatsoever. People act like Travis hasn't watched Day9's videos or something.

[–]HeeroMaki 0 points1 point ago

Where can I get a vod of this or is it just not up on the main site yet?

[–]Nezn27 0 points1 point ago

And LoL show award goes to SotL

Jatt - Host Travis - PRODUCER

Dude can put the stuff together and let people with more "flow" control it.

[–]TobyOrNotTobyHypz 0 points1 point ago

Maybe Travis should make a 1 man show or even 2 man show, just because it is more important to be energetic and entertaining in those settings. That might possibly be part of the power of people such as day9. Go solo, and you will have to be the entertainment.

[–]Sonicrida[Sonicrida] (NA) 2 points3 points ago

Ehh I've seen the show get better over the episodes. I've noticed that the complaints that appear after every episode seem to be getting more and more specific. There are less and less things to complain about. This is because Travis is always improving and that's a wonderful thing. I love the show and without Travis, there is no show and there are no pros to listen to. Keep up the good work.

[–]LordRygor 1 point2 points ago

I think everyone would respect Travis more if he wore a suit.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/suit%20up/Einion/Suit_Up_500x500.jpg

[–]kigabit -1 points0 points ago

[–]LordRygor 0 points1 point ago

That's not a suit, it's a blazer! Blasphemy!

[–]trafikant(EU-W) 0 points1 point ago

He still looks more respectable.

[–]LordRygor 0 points1 point ago

Maybe if humpty dumpty looked respectable compared to the penguin, then .. yea~

[–]trafikant(EU-W) 0 points1 point ago

He isn't really "penguin type" in his show.

[–]whighamz 0 points1 point ago

Not really. He has a weird face, and moves his mouth weird, which probably has a lot to do with how he sounds.

[–]CozenOne 0 points1 point ago

AHAHAHA

[–]Coziestpigeon2[Cathorlor] (NA) 1 point2 points ago

Why do people always come on and hate on Travis after SotL? He's doing his best to provide a really cool service, give the guy a break. He's learning.

[–]SquarebobSpongepants -5 points-4 points ago

So, what did Travis do? Your title seems to suggest he did something. Unless you meant it to be a comparison, then it would be "than" not "then".

[–]Aftershock7 -2 points-1 points ago

Or how about the fact that Jatt acted like he was the host in general, you can't BLAME Travis for not stepping in and saying "Jatt man, I appreciate what you are doing but this is my show, stop it faggot."

Why do you fuckers have to make a fucking post about EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS. It doesn't matter how small and consequential it is, you guys always have to make a big fucking deal out of it. God dammit this is so irrelevant and stupid.

[–]espressivo -1 points0 points ago

This is what happens when someone steals an idea (State of the Game for SC2) but doesn't have the right skills and personality to actually do it. While his intentions seem to be for the good of the community I can't help but think that he started this show because he wanted some e-fame. There was no possible way he could do this in SC2 considering how much more effort it takes to become well known in that scene so he flocked to LoL where its just a developing scene and nothing like this exists.

Compare him to JP from SotG and the difference is night and day, JP has a communications degree and is a well spoken individual, though he can sometimes be a bit awkward. Travis is just some dude in his basement who saw an opportunity to grab a little e-fame but doesn't have the qualifications and abilities to make him a good host.

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[–]Llero 0 points1 point ago

Have you never read his posts?

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[–]StylesClashv3 3 points4 points ago

If you insist.

[–]BEEFire 0 points1 point ago

when ever he tries to reddit posts about it saying hes a cock for trying to interrupt tehm

[–]Blartt[EricHyunsubLee] (NA) -1 points0 points ago

than Travis*