If they remove dodge, I hope they make Ninja Tabi equivalent to Mercury Treads.

Mecxs · 6 months

Tabi are stupidly good right now -- 200g for 12% dodge, 20 ms, and 7 armor is one of the biggest bargains in the game. There are really very few excuses for not getting them and buying another source of tenacity if you're laning against physical + physical jungler.

I'm not sure what we'll see them changed to after dodge is removed. They might become just straight movespeed + armor, or perhaps with a bit of health regen added in?

Mabish · 6 months

I'm assuming the armor bonus is just getting buffed to compensate. Or perhaps you gain a HP bonus instead of dodge?

Cersia · 6 months

That actually sounds really good. A physical and magic tenacity boot

mAc1d · 6 months

Thats actually a great idea.

Andromansis · 6 months

They are going to be reworked into an energy regen item.

kenlubin · 6 months

I really like being able to buy boots 2 for certain junglers after my first run. i think it makes it easier to chase people down when I gank.

stfalx · 6 months

Tabi with some tenacity would be great in the current meta since most tops are ad, most junglers are ad and solo carry is ad.

snackies · 6 months

I wouldn't actually like replacing dodge with tenacity, at that point it would become, tabi or merc treads based on their team, rather than treating merc treads like the Anti-cc boot, and then tabi should have its own place. Perhaps adding maybe something like HP regen or something else tanks use could make it hold a more unique place for a tankey DPS. I know I usually run tabi on tankey dps and merc treads on full tanks. For example I love tabi on irelia, because she doesn't really need tenacity from merc treads, but the armor and dodge works really well on her.

Valisk · 6 months

They are NINJA tabi.

%reduction of ward effectiveness. You can get say 25% closer to wards before they show you on the map

TheHansen · 6 months

Wouldn't suprise me if they replaced dodge with evasion.

cyberaltair · 6 months

I hope they change it to Armor penetration, we need those boots.

zebano · 6 months

I think they should just make them a wit's end equivalent but instead of stacking MR on attack/skill use, have it stack armor as you take damage.

OtsLemmuh · 6 months

I don't see armor boots getting removed. At higher elos they show up more against ad dominant teams. Adding tenacity to them, that'd be cool/crazy, but I think they'd need to be more expensive than merc treads.

waggamsn · 6 months

May Ninja Tabi get some kind of bad ability but cheaper compared with other tier 2 boots.

NujLuj · 6 months

What i think that would be cool is to make ArmorPen boots kinda like they have the MagicPen ones. Anyone else agree?

Jmackilla · 6 months

when tanking i always get the mercury treads for the mr, because mr is harder to stack then armor, even when laning against 2 ad champions. This is probably because i don't like banshee and only use force of nature, and that is all there is for high mr items. But I do agree they need new armor boots if they take ninja tabi away.

Sam_Kablam · 6 months

I usually get Merc treads anyway, because most of the melee champs have stuns and slows and most of the other tenacity items aren't worth it.

mengplex · 6 months

Maybe something like boots equivalent to shurelias? (eg. T2 Boots, X armor, Active: Increases movement speed by 10% for 4 seconds)

jpmanchester · 6 months

They'll probably just buff the armor on them.

Antwhan · 6 months

Honestly I hope they don't tweak the price too much. Cheap boots make jungling much nicer when you're down and need to get tier 2 boots to keep up with everyone.

BlueOrangeSC · 6 months

Make the boots give nothing but 2 move speed and cost something like 450g?

electricdynamite · 6 months

I hope that they up the armor rating on them. Tank boots would rule.

He_lo · 6 months

If they removed the dodge and just kept the armor, they would never be purchased because you can get armor from plenty of other very good items. Buying just a Chain Vest is very effective if you're getting terrored, and a more attractive purchase than Tabi without the dodge incentive. Boots usually have a feature that is unique, or if not unique, something that is more difficult to obtain until later in a build (Tenacity, MPen and CDR all cannot be purchased directly like armor and MR). The exception is Zerkers but ArPen would likely be op at early levels (laugh at your opponents with true damage shots).

Just armor would be a terribly boring choice imo. Not with other (better) options. I'm sure they'll come up with something worthwhile, but I bet you they'll be raising the price up from 200g too.

Kine85 · 6 months

What about making them lower the crit dmg somewhat? That should make them really good against phys dmg and still make them somewhat unique :)

verekh · 6 months

I hope they change it to:

Ninja Tabi: 25 Armor, level 2 movement speed and reduce the power of slows by X%.

Instead of reducing the duration it simply reduces the percentage.

masterful7086 · 6 months

I like this, because it lets you get a decent Tenacity item against an AD-heavy team

melesion · 6 months

Why not auto attack damage reduction like Fizz or Sion passives ? Or even in % (±15% will be usefull)

Cromiell · 6 months

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ProfessorLX · 6 months

how bout making them a gp5 boot? like armor and gp5

nameeater · 6 months

Thinking about the new mastery tree they could have AOE % damage reduction or perhaps % based AD damage reduction.

Rewqfd · 6 months

12 % dodge is effectively equal to 12 % auto-attack phys damage reduction.

So why not just change it to that? Dodge gone, and the item effectively stays the same.

Lulzyz · 6 months

Reducing knockup duration could actually be good.

OrphanAnthem · 6 months

They are planning to do away with dodge and replace it with a mechanic that resembles dodge. Think possibly Fizz's passive is something like what we are going to see with the new dodge mechanic. They just arnt telling us but if you just look at it it works the same way dodge would they just arnt calling it dodge.

Really wish we could see the # behind Fizz's passive :(

Edit: why am i getting downvoted for trying to educate the masses

bargaw · 6 months

+armor boots would suck really hard, they probably will get removed

Cheezycookie · 6 months

35% tenacity penetration

borick · 6 months

I think they could add something like Attack speed or dmg to the armor boots. Don't think adding tenacity would be fair. Then again, depending how much...

Requizen · 6 months

I think they're going to replace dodge with a different stat, honestly. Maybe not a straight DR stat, but something else. I don't think it's likely that it'll just get straight removed with no compensation.

chaos_jockey · 6 months

They're removing dodge because of champs like Jax.

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