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[–]expert02 12 points13 points ago

I used to work at Geek Squad (just a few years ago). We would have customers bring in sony computers for work that had to be sent out (since they wouldn't let us touch anything besides the hard drive under warranty). Instead of being shipped to the Geek Squad service center, where we expected a minimum amount of competence (as in, sometimes the problem gets fixed), it would get shipped to sony directly (whether or not it was under the Manufacturer warranty).

Almost every single sony computer we sent in was immediately sent back with a $99 charge and an explanation that they weren't able to contact the customer. Every single time. On top of that, if we erased the charge for the customer, it would come out of the store's budget. Eventually we decided to break the rules and tell customers that we would not, under any circumstances, send in a Sony computer for service, unless it was out of Sony warranty and had a Geek Squad service contract (because that was the only time it would be sent to our service centers.

As far as your driver issues go, try SlimDrivers (from download.com, not from their website). It doesn't require registration, no spyware, no adware. When you scan it shows you a list of available drivers and gives you a link that will download the driver and launch the installer (you don't have to go to another website).

[–]LovableContrarian[S] 5 points6 points ago

Will definitely give slimdrivers a shot. Thanks for the tip!

[–]kanned 93 points94 points ago

tl,dr - I thought it was common knowledge to avoid Sony's computer division.

[–]LovableContrarian[S] 16 points17 points ago

Yeah I know tl;dr, but I couldn't think of a good way to express the full extent of the nonsense without describing everything.

[–]execute85 23 points24 points ago

And Sony's everything division.

[–]pumppumppump -1 points0 points ago

Eh, the TVs are pretty damn good, I've found.

[–]execute85 1 point2 points ago

They were good back in the CRT days (Trinitron was awesome). But their LCDs and Plasmas aren't worth the premium. All the smart money buys samsung as they are better quality.

[–]EpicCyndaquil 10 points11 points ago

Or avoid Sony all together? They're pretty horrible in most respects. Their other hardware devices are good, mostly referring to cameras here, but it seems like they just try to give everyone trouble, with the PS3 and whatnot.

[–]Angry_Table_Flipper 2 points3 points ago

"If at first you fail, destroy all evidence that you ever tried."

I think Sony takes that to heart.

[–]karlthebaer 4 points5 points ago

I'm on my second vaio and my mother bought one on my advice as well. All three have been flawless. I don't think that it's a brand issue so much as a model issue.

[–]LovableContrarian[S] 18 points19 points ago

No, it's a service issue that can be avoided if your computer works. I agree that most Sony computers are well built, but the issue with service is universal (well, in the US anyway).

[–]tabris 3 points4 points ago

As someone who has worked for a few years repairing laptops, I would say Sony laptops are not in any way "well built". I've worked on Toshiba, HP and Sony laptops and Sony's were far and away the worst built laptops I've ever seen. I was repairing a Sony model once that had a cable that came out of the main board, wrapped around the board and connected back into the underside of the board in about the same position it left. No one knew what this cable did, but if it wasn't there, the machine wouldn't work.

It took me on average about 40 to 120 mins to replace a Sony main board, while between 15 and 40 mins for a similar specced Toshiba. They are poorly designed, full of unnecessary cables and complex daughter-boards and very, very cheap parts. Sony laptops in no way deserve the reputation they have. It should be much, much lower.

[–]rob311 0 points1 point ago

I have fixed computers on the side for about 10 years now. Almost every laptop that comes my way, due to hardware issues, is a Sony Vaio. The LCD ribbon/Hinges coming loose and overheating are probably the 2 most common issues I've seen.

[–]auto98 0 points1 point ago

The LCD ribbon/Hinges coming loose

This.

All the time.

[–]infinitymind 0 points1 point ago

I've been a big fan of HP but their 'premium' line have consistently given me issues <12 months... so I won't be purchasing them again & I need to upgrade. So my question is there what Brands would you recommend?

[–]tabris 1 point2 points ago

I really like Toshiba in terms of build quality. They may not be the best machines overall, but they're easy to repair and if you make sure you go for either the Tecra or Satellite Pro ranges, they'll do you well.

From what I've seen of the insides of Asus machines, they are also very nicely designed, although I only have a passing acquaintance with them.

[–]rob311 0 points1 point ago

I 2nd Toshiba. I have a 13 year old Toshiba and recently installed Linux and it is still kicking along.

[–]vinny962 0 points1 point ago

My webcam driver deleted itself one day, hoed you get yours to work again?

[–]Anonissimus 0 points1 point ago

Scumbag American,

Universal... in the US

[–]tvshopceo 4 points5 points ago

Universal... in the US

Yeah, that phrasing actually works. It simply means that it affects all [Sony customers] in the US.

[–]RandomFrenchGuy 0 points1 point ago

I only ever got one Sony computer (a Picturebook) which ran Gentoo and Mandrake flawlessly for years (and still does whenever I boot it up). My only problem with it is the lifespan of the batteries which pretty much died in a year or so (and battery life is horrendous, but that was common at the time).

Apart from that it's a great little machine. Except when I had to replace the keyboard (a book fell on it from a shelf and broke a few keys) which cost me something like 250€ (through Sony). I don't really know if that's insanely expensive or just expensive though.

Since then I try to stick to more mainstream makers.

[–]mugglemao 35 points36 points ago

Since you are in the States, write a letter to your State's Attorney General stating your issue and your state's lemon laws (they are originally for cars but have been modified to include computers). Send a copy to Sony and local Better Business Bureau. The issue will then be investigated by your State's Attorney General and BBB. Sony will hopefully be more helpful then.

[–]blueshiftlabs 15 points16 points ago

The BBB actually investigating someone? Good one.

[–]flavor8 3 points4 points ago

I've had great experience with the BBB. Have you experienced otherwise w/ them?

[–]peteftw 18 points19 points ago

They flipped over on their backs for the company I complained about. They also make money by getting subscriptions for companies that want a higher rating. BBB can eat a bag of dicks.

[–]unentschlossenheit 4 points5 points ago

The same thing happen to me with the BBB. I had a fence installed on my property, and had nothing but headaches with the company that installed it. I checked them out on BBB prior to working with them, and they had no negatives on file. I paid half down on the fence, after they had completed the work, I told them their were issues to be fixed before I would pay the remaining money. For example, nails were sticking out all over the place that could easily catch on my dogs, the wire mesh was loose in numerous places, and the fence was plainly not a straight line. You could easily see it zigzagging down my property. When I asked how the company would fix this, shit you not, the company owner said it was nowhere listed in the contract that the fence would be straight! I just laughed…what else could you do?

Anyway, I complained the BBB, the fence company said the work they did was fine, and they would not make any changes. BBB considered the matter resolved (without any further follow up!) and the company STILL had a perfect record on file. So much for better business.

[–]profgunnington 3 points4 points ago

Yet you didn't name and shame the business. We want to know!

[–]SergeantKoopa 6 points7 points ago

They seem to hold no teeth on much. Looong time ago before I knew better I had gone with a hosting provider that turned out to be a scam and a half. After I cut ties I wrote a bad BBB review/complaint. They responded. I replied. They rebutted. For whatever reason the BBB cuts it off there. AFAIK they're still in business and have been with a big, fat F rating.

[–]kindall 2 points3 points ago

The BBB is funded by membership dues from businesses that are then allowed to display the BBB logo, a clear conflict of interest. The only punitive action they can take is putting a complaint in the business's file, which consumers will only find out about if they call the BBB to inquire about the business. Which nobody ever does until after they've been burned.

[–]infinitymind 0 points1 point ago

I can verify that lodging a complain with the BBB will get your issue some attention. I filed a complaint against Dish Network, where they basically screwed me out of service and forced me into a contract with their faulty equipment -- the BBB complaint got response from their 'dedicated BBB dept' and my issue was resolved and my contract was voided.

[–]krova7 11 points12 points ago

I’ve wasted HUNDREDS of hours talking to customer service,

I'd sell the damn thing and buy another laptop after a first month or so.

[–]GrouchyMcSurly 1 point2 points ago

Not that it's wrong, but that's exactly what Sony was hoping he would do.

[–]HadACigar 8 points9 points ago

I'm sorry to hear this happened to you. For the future, I recommend waiting a few months to see how the computer holds up in reviews before you buy another one.

Really though, its bullshit you should pay for top of the line high end equipment and get burned for it.

[–]bgovern 6 points7 points ago

I concur with that advice. I bought an HP DV9500 in 2007, and had the left hinge break after about 3 months. HP told me that it wasn't covered by warranty, and would be over $300 to fix, so I sent it in. Three months later, it broke again. Turns out it was a design flaw that they refused to acknowledge (except for a 3 month warranty extension that, of course, I didn't qualify for because it had been previously repaired). All I could do was buy hinges by the case and get really good at repairing them.

The problem was well known on the internet within 3 months of my purchase, and if I had just waited a little bit, I could have avoided a lot of cost and hassle.

[–]this1 4 points5 points ago

DV2000 and 4000 series also had this issues for a few years. I've replaced hinges on 5 different hp laptops in the last 5 years or so. I can now do it in under an hour without looking at the service manual.

[–]Thokaz 4 points5 points ago

I used to work at Geeksquad's main repair facility. I worked specifically on the HP manufacturers warranty line. I've seen and repaired hundreds of dv9000's with broken hinges under warranty. At first they was not covered but after seeing a ton of them come in the managers pushed HP to cover it. Also a lot of dv9000 series were part of the big nVidia lawsuit a few years back where the system board would overheat and die due to a poor graphics chip. You may have qualified for a compensation but that has now passed.

[–]this1 0 points1 point ago

I think I did it to my computer once, another was my sisters who had a newer model of the same series, there rest were either friends or coworkers, most i fixed for cost of replacement hinges, some were nice enough to give me money on top of that.

I actually applied for a job at geeksquad so I could work over the summer, never did hear back...

[–]ashhole613 0 points1 point ago

I had one of those. It was the worst purchase I ever made, and HP gave not a single fuck about repairing the hinges or the back of the chasis where the fan vents FUCKING MELTED though I kept it on a 3 fan cooling pad. Then the ac jack inside it came loose. It was just...shit.

[–]profgunnington 0 points1 point ago

I bought one of those! These was a massive recall on about 20 versions of HP laptop due to the overheating, the only model out of the entire range to not have the recall (even though the overheating issue was well documented) was my model. Needless to say, when it overheated; I took it back to the store where I bought it, they essentially gave me store credit for a replacement laptop. Goodbye HP forever, Hello Asus!

[–]profgunnington 0 points1 point ago

I think I bought one of those! These was a massive recall on about 20 versions of HP laptop due to overheating, the only model out of the entire range to not have the recall (even though the overheating issue was well documented) was my model. Needless to say I took it back to the store where I bought it, they essentially gave me store credit for a replacement laptop. Goodbye HP forver, Hello Asus!

[–]jdbrookes 31 points32 points ago

For what it's worth I've owned a number of Vaios over the years (Vaio A series in 2004, Vaio SZ in 2006, Vaio TZ in 2008, Vaio X in 2010, Vaio Z21 in 2011) , and every single one of them is still functioning and in use. The old A series did have a wonky hinge admittedly but Sony Vaio Support in Europe is actually top class and they repaired it in around 5 working days.

I constantly hear that they are shit in the US.

[–]A1e 0 points1 point ago

Even now after more than 2 years I cant find a worthy replacement for my awesome SZ750 with carbon casing.

[–]brbATF 15 points16 points ago

I bought a Vaio laptop back in '02... after less than 3 weeks the RJ-45 (network) port fell out. I didn't stress it at all, it just clunked onto the desk next to the laptop - still connected by four wires to the motherboard.

The vendor I bought it from (pcmall) refused to honor their 30 day return policy, so I sent it to sony... they sent it back 'repaired' with hot glue, it fell out again a couple weeks later and then Sony blew me off saying my 2 year warranty was actually only good for 60 days.

Never touching either of those companies again.

[–]klaiere 6 points7 points ago

I had the first which was $3000. When it died the last day within the warranty, they not only refused to honor the warranty, they refused to sell me the parts to fix it myself.

Compare that with IBM who after a few quick tests sent a well trained tech that spent the entire evening disassembling my Thinkpad on the dining room table.

[–]brbATF 2 points3 points ago

I love thinkpads... even if they aren't IBM anymore.

[–]kabdib 1 point2 points ago

Lenovo support is crap these days (my experience), and if something goes wrong in the sales cycle, watch out.

[–]CodeNC 0 points1 point ago

Lenovo support is crap these days (my experience), and if something goes wrong in the sales cycle, watch out.

Sales staff != support.

Support is handled by IBM, not Lenovo. And my experience has been that while EZServ sometimes has issues, the on-site support is still very good.

[–]Flipnotic 11 points12 points ago

I may be going against the grain here, but like you, I bought a Sony Vaio VGN-FW455D a couple years ago, also within the same price range.

I've dropped it a couple times on wood/cement/tile, and it's still running extremely well. I can honestly say I'm still very pleased with the money spent, and the one time I had to deal with Sony tech support, they accidentally sent me 2 copies of windows 7, which I was totally fine with.

[–]earthiverse 2 points3 points ago

I have one of these with different insides, and abused it pretty hard, and it's still kicking as well.

[–]subliminali 2 points3 points ago

you had a technician sent to your house? Granted, sounds like he didn't fix much but that's still way more impressive than anything i've ever accomplished with my semi busted toshiba laptop. You sound way more persistent with customer service though.

[–]disgustipated 0 points1 point ago

If it's under warranty, and you can make it through their tech support fault tree to the part where it says, "Send a technician", then you're good to go. A dead hard disk, they'll send you another. A dead keyboard, motherboard, cpu fan, etc. they'll send the tech. They don't want the customer to start taking screws out.

[–]arjie -1 points0 points ago

For 1800 USD, you had better. My 1350 USD XPS M1330 was a lemon too because it has the Nvidia 8400M GS on it. Dell has always sent a tech to me. Once, it broke the day I was to fly to a different city. The tech came to my place there and fixed it.

And this is freaking Dell.

[–]D0P3F1SH 2 points3 points ago

Sorry to hear. Asus was just as awful to me. From now on its no more laptops for me. Next time I need a computer its going to be build a desktop and get a nice little netbook.

[–]hopstar 2 points3 points ago

I'm actually pretty happy with the desktop/tablet combo I've got going now. I thought about buying another netbook, but I realized that the tiny keyboard (I have big hands) made typing a chore and consequently I spent 90% of the time I was using the netbook just surfing reddit, watching movies, or playing simple games to kill time on plane rides. If I need to type something I'll use the full size keyboard.

FWIW, the tablet actually seems to run faster than my Aspire 1, and the fact that it has quadruple the battery life of the netbook was an added bonus.

[–]BlitzTech 1 point2 points ago

it has quadruple the battery life of the netbook was an added bonus.

My experience exactly. Desktop for real work/games (and browsing reddit, who are we kidding?), tablet for when I'm not at the computer.

Now I sound like a tech addict...

[–]D0P3F1SH 0 points1 point ago

Always an option as well. I'm not sure I really like the current state of tablets in that they are somewhat limited still in capability, but it's still definitely a possibility.

[–]hopstar 0 points1 point ago

True, they don't compare to a "real" laptop, but my Iconia has more than enough processing power to run HD video at full screen without stuttering, which is really about all I can ask from such a device.

Oh, and there's a full size USb port on it, so every now and then I plug in the wireless keyboard if I truly want to type something on the tablet.

[–]deliriousmintii 0 points1 point ago

What about a custom desktop and a tablet?

[–]D0P3F1SH 0 points1 point ago

Someone else had made that suggestion as well. I'm not really a fan of tablets at the moment, but its always an option.

[–]cooleyandy -3 points-2 points ago

Try an Apple Macbook instead. Okay, before I get obliterated with downvotes for fanboyism, just know I've never had trouble getting apple products fixed. Every time my apple stuff breaks down, all I do is take it in, and they fix/replace it (usually free) with no hassle.

[–]D0P3F1SH 2 points3 points ago

Yeah, apple products are usually relatively well built, but I don't think I could ever buy one due to how horrendously overpriced they are. I dont really like mac OS either. My rationale was that I could build myself a good desktop and get a nice little netbook for about the same price as a high end laptop. After having the latter I realize that its a pain lugging around a heavy laptop and I dont really need the mobility of a laptop if I'm gaming.

[–]Angry_Table_Flipper 0 points1 point ago

Dude. Shit thanks man, this is a brilliant idea. The next time I'm out for a computer, this is exactly what I'll be doing.

And I think it's going to be cheaper with the Desktop + Netbook combo than a powerful laptop equivalent to the desktop. Awesome!

[–]D0P3F1SH 1 point2 points ago

Exactly. It hit me a little too late since I just wanted a laptop for college, which is nice because I am constantly moving it back and forth, but once I am done with school or need a new computer this is what I will be doing too.

[–]thetallerone 0 points1 point ago

I considered this too, but take a moment to think that your files are now going to be spread between two machines. And to my knowledge, sync utilities are not exactly hassle free.

[–]D0P3F1SH 1 point2 points ago

Not too sure about that, theres always using external hdds, dropbox, ssh, etc etc. Plus the files I would need to be moving probably would not be anything larger than a flash drive could handle, since everything major would be on the desktop whereas the netbook would mostly be just a small temporary workspace almost.

[–]thetallerone 1 point2 points ago

Multiple versions will require strict version control. Which tends to be painful when you just need to transfer a video/audio which you don't want to be synced. Still some people may prefer it to heavier laptops with all eggs in one basket.[I still use dropbox though] To each his own.

[–]mcdg 2 points3 points ago

Absolutely agree. At first Sony Vaio ooked like a great little machine. Then fan started making really loud screeching noises. Each call to Sony support ended up with them forcing me to use their vnc like service and a support person installing random updates and flushing the bios, after which more problems appeared. Finally they sent a technician to replace the fan. Young Chinese geek showed up, and did it. Fan noises stopped, but laptop started turning itself off randomly, after running 20 minutes or so. Sony refused to fix it, and warranty runner out while I was arguing with them.

I will never buy another Sony product

[–]redonculous 2 points3 points ago

I've had several of this model laptop come through for repair.

All either faults with the motherboard, or the graphics card (graphics card is the main problem and often needs reflowing - search youtube for "sony vaio blank screen").

If you don't reinstall the hinge correctly, as you described above, it can clip the wires leading to the screen/speakers/power etc. A trained tech should have known what he was doing.

Most of the sony repair centres are just companies in your area who are hired by sony to service your machines. Generally Sony use larger companies, but in more rural areas they could be anyone.

The webcam and most of the buttons can be fixed by downloading the Vista drivers, unpacking them and merging the inf with your registry/installing certain drivers. There are many forum posts about this. I'd google myself, but I'm on my phone right now.

[–]tehrod 2 points3 points ago

I use a Sony Vaio for my DJ work. I carry it around, throw it onto couches and treat it like hell. It is in smoke filled environments and has been used like no other laptop ever. I have used macbooks and HP's and this Vaio has outlasted every laptop I have ever used. Whatever this guy is saying about "avoiding" Vaio computers because he was being annoying with customer help should be taken with a grain of salt.

[–]small_penis_syndrome 4 points5 points ago

lol the guy keep begging you to sign up for their support service, is this what that 15 min free chat is all about

[–]stlcardinal9 1 point2 points ago

I owned a Vaio VGN-FE770G for 4 years never had a problem my brother has now had it for almost a year with no problems.

[–]Sloofus 1 point2 points ago

This sounds very much like HP's practices with the dv9k (Flawed notebook, tried to sweep complaints under the rug until a class action was taken against them)

[–]TomatoSlayer 1 point2 points ago

My dad has bought a Vaio desktop and two notebooks from about 2003-2008. The two notebooks still work, but the desktop has been replaced. I remember changing out optical drives that stopped functioning properly, changing out laptop keyboards (on several occasions, actually), and latches and various other plastic parts just falling apart for no reason.

My grandparents also have had a desktop for a long time now.

I'm not impressed with Vaio products.

[–]hughk 1 point2 points ago

It is a shame because they are one of the few companies doing matte screens on their laptops (I hate glossy screens).

[–]shadowh511 1 point2 points ago

I know this is gonna sound like a frustrating question, but did you try using Ubuntu on it yet? It might get you everything you need in software.

[–]zmaniacz 4 points5 points ago

I used to work support in college residence halls and the Sony Vaios that I tried to help students with were without a doubt the worst pieces of shit of all time. Constant failures, piss-poor drivers, everything wrong that you could think of. Stay far far away.

[–]JJBell 2 points3 points ago

As someone who has sold electronics for a decade, the key to dealing with Sony is; if you suspect something may be wrong, ride Sony about it during the warranty period (this will take 16-20 hours of your time in my experience).

Sony hates doing repairs, but they loooooove just giving you a new model equal to what you have, so you'll be happy.

The downside is that they will not extend the warranty for the new piece of hardware they send you.

Out of the warranty period I don't know a single computer company that won't charge you for tech support regardless of the price of the computer (from personal experience I can tell you that Apple, HP, Sony, and Dell all charge for computer support outside of the warranty, if you want to talk to someone over the phone).

Bottom Line: If you spend more than $1500 on a computer, buy an extended warranty from someone like Squaretrade. Don't expect to get help from the manufacturers.

[–]LovableContrarian[S] 2 points3 points ago

I agree with everything you said, but I do want to emphasize that a majority of this story took place well within the warranty.

[–]maaark 1 point2 points ago

Never ever buy anything from Sony!

[–]MattyH 0 points1 point ago

Why do you say that? Their various hardware is generally very good across the board. As a whole Vaios are among the best built laptops. Mine blows away all the Macs in our house.

[–]cmseagle 0 points1 point ago

Have you considered small claims court? Other commenters have mentioned that your state lemon laws may also apply to computers. If nothing else it'll probably get someone's attention.

[–]zemike 0 points1 point ago

I'm with you! I have Sony FZ31Z model which i spent 1800€ with blu-ray and everything and i have zero support! Sony costumer service realy does suck.

[–]norikotheninja 0 points1 point ago

I'm in the process of purchasing a very specific custom built pc for when I leave for school in the summer, and you just helped me weed out yet another brand from my search. Thank you.

[–]BlitzTech 3 points4 points ago

Also avoid HP. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[–]versii 1 point2 points ago

Be careful making decisions based on 1 person's issues that happened years ago. Every product is different and should be properly researched. Everybody has a bad day. You can read equally worse things(and in higher number) of EVERY electronic company.

[–]faceplain 0 points1 point ago

Agreed. Though I'm pretty careful with my Vaio, I've never really had any problems with it after ~2 years (so far)(I have nothing to say about customer service, never dealt with them). One person's testimonial is pretty weak, so don't let my positive story totally convince you to buy one either.

[–]versii 0 points1 point ago

Yes. That is the problem with customer reviews. Honestly most of them are going to be negative. But you also have to consider how many of that model were sold, and you may find 10 or 15 people saying it is crap. If it was so horrible, then you would read more. Sometimes you get a raw deal. It's life. Deal with it.

[–]LovableContrarian[S] 0 points1 point ago

Fair enough, but anyone who buys a vail will run into issues with driver support and new OS support. Not just me.

[–]versii 0 points1 point ago

So will anybody that buys a Dell or HP. Hell, even Apple took almost 6 months to release win7 drivers.

[–]LovableContrarian[S] 0 points1 point ago

I'd rather have them after 6 months than never. If you read my OP, you'd see that Sony STILL hasn't released windows 7 drivers for my laptop, even though windows 7 came out shortly after my laptop.

[–]jaymz168 0 points1 point ago

Better Business Bureau, man. I just had a serious issue with Clear taken care of through them, they seem to actually achieve results when you can't get through to someone in the company who can.

[–]nerdrageofdoom 0 points1 point ago

I recently had to call Lenovo support over an issue with an incompatible AMT driver for their T420 series (solid state drives). This was for several systems affecting the company I work for (10+ users affected) and we were trying to find a resolution that didn't involve wiping and reloading windows (the bad AMT driver loaded with windows, even in safe mode and wouldn't uninstall). The tech actually told me that they don't support Windows Enterprise, they only supported up to Ultimate. I. SHIT. A. BRICK.

(For the uninitiated Ultimate and Enterprise are identical, except in the way they are sold. Ultimate for retail. Enterprise for corporate licensing. That's all)

[–]hedgecore77 0 points1 point ago

I've no love for Sony; haven't bought a Sony product in 8 years since they ripped me off. That said, if I had a laptop made of crystal it would have been as damaged as yours. How are you using it? You're not treating the lid like you're starting a pull-start lawn mower are you?

[–]markevens 0 points1 point ago

I just did some work on a sony vaio laptop just the other day. It had the most horrific BIOS I have ever seen. The only thing it allowed me to do was change the boot order between HDD and optical drive, and change the time/date. That is it. Nothing else. Nada. 2 boot options and the fucking time.

Up until this time I have heard shit talk about VAIOs, but now I know.

[–]osta666 0 points1 point ago

Had nothing but problems with Sony's laptop's at work and there support treated us as if we'd done something wrong, hinges/screens on these things are total garbage which is unfortunate as the rest of the machine is good.

[–]versii 0 points1 point ago

I bought a Z690 in 2009. It had a bad harddrive with that batch that affected other manufactures as well. I called Sony, who scheduled an in-home appointment 4 days later.

The technician was extremely knowledgable and fast. He even showed me how to take out the bazillion screws to access the drive so I could upgrade if I wanted.

My new SA is wonderful.

However, I will admit they do have terrible driver support. I want to make it clear that Sony is not the first nor will it be the last company to produce a flop and brush it under the rug. Just read about the Dell M2010 or any number of HP systems. It is these reasons I don't buy something right when it comes out, wait for people to buy them and problems to show up. Caveat emptor, my friend. If they were sold out in three months, that should have been a sign.

[–]HolodeckJizzmopper 0 points1 point ago*

FWIW just picked up a VPCF236FM before Christmas so I could play SWTOR while out of the country and laying in bed (My old 13" 2009 MBP's NVDA 9400M wasn't cutting it anymore for gaming)

The $1299 pricetag and feature set is what attracted me to it, however, build quality is shit compared to Mac's and the fans sure are loud when they get going, but for what I bought it for, gaming, I'm pretty happy with it so far.

Sorry you had such a crappy experience with yours.

[–]kabdib 0 points1 point ago

Never owned a Sony laptop -- every friend of mine who's had one has had major issues that took months to resolve.

[–]cran 0 points1 point ago

Wow ... I had no idea. We're looking for a new laptop and will certainly steer well clear of Sony!

[–]ThirtySixEyes 0 points1 point ago

This is why I laughed my facial off at a "Computer Expert" who told me MacBooks were a waste of time and money, and to buy a Vaio.

[–]MattyH 0 points1 point ago

Laughed your facial off... :-)

Most Vaios are nice - the best laptop in our house is a Vaio and it's way better than the MacBooks which totally blow after a few years.

[–]ThirtySixEyes 0 points1 point ago

right, because the resale value of a Vaio is far better than any Mac laptop...

Oh wait, it isn't at all. Macs have the best resale value of any laptop on the market, and the customer support is far superior.

[–]MattyH -1 points0 points ago

Eh, whatever. Macs cost more to start with. But I'm not talking about market value. I'm just saying that my 2 yo Vaio blows beats my 2 yo Mac in many ways, hardware reliability being one of them.

[–]ThirtySixEyes 0 points1 point ago*

[resale value] = [initial price] - [resale price] the initial cost has nothing to do with it, since a more expensive item with obviously sell for more on resale. It's all about how they preserve their value, by comparing the difference between what you paid and what you can sell it for as time elapses, and if you calculate the resale value on any Vaio of comparable time elapsed between release and resale , it will be less than ANY MacBook, I am sure of this.

[–]MattyH 0 points1 point ago

Ok, that's not the normal definition of resale value, which is the value (cost) of something at the time of resale. And in your definition you're saying the lower the number the better, ok. Sure, fine. Great, we can work with that definition. But whatever. I was talking about quality of hardware and you're trying to change the subject to resale value. I believe you that my macbook will hold it's resale value better than my viao will, but my vaio is as good or better of a machine - that's my point. And let's talk about value for my multimedia business, the value I actually care about. The vaio will render faster, crash less, run more higher end programs simultaneously, read and burn bluray disks, and handle more different inputs/outputs than my macbook, at considerably less cost up front. I run into hardware issues and incompatibilities more often with the mac. These machines are a couple years old, maybe new ones are more similar in value. Macs are really well made, and so are most Vaios, and in my experience the latter hold up better with time.

[–]notboring 0 points1 point ago

It was my purchase of a Sony Vaio that ended any chance of my ever purchasing any Sony product ever again. Which is sad, because of course, as a child, Sony was the Apple of its day. They made the stuff you wanted. But when my Vaio needed fixing, I sent had to send it to California and I plastered the thing with instructions not to wipe my hard drive, as the HD was not the problem. Of course they wiped it. When the computer stopped working again, I made the idiotic decision to have the motherboard replaced. Don't ask why I did something so foolish. I still sort-of liked Sony. The computer came back 900 dollars later non functional. So that was that. I wouldn't buy a Sony alarm clock, let alone a Sony TV or Computer. They had their day. Now it's Apple's turn, I suppose. (I wonder what the iTV will be? TV makers are already shaking in their boots.)

[–]billin 1 point2 points ago

If you get a Mac, do yourself a favor and get the extended AppleCare. Over the last 10 years, Apple has done crazy things above and beyond (i.e. not even covered under the warranty) for me because I had the extended AppleCare. I realize I sound like an Apple shill, but the below are just a few examples of Apple's service:

1) I replaced the hard drive on an old swing-arm iMac, which was definitely not designed to be serviced by a consumer, and wound up burning out the motherboard. I brought it in, explained the situation, and meekly accepted their quote for $600 to replace the motherboard. Came back, they handed me the computer and said, "No charge." The computer was a month away from its extended AppleCare expiring.

2) I had my iPad in the unfinished basement playing a movie while I was cleaning up. I wound up killing the lights and, in my confusion, knocked over the iPad, where it landed glass-down on the floor, cracking the screen. My wife brought it in to see how much it would cost to have the glass replaced, since accidental damage is not covered under warranty. They looked it up in their system, saw it had extended AppleCare, and handed her a replacement, same specs, free of charge.

3) The graphics card on my 2.5 year-old MacPro burned out. No problem, I thought, I have extended AppleCare. I brought it in, but they didn't have the replacement graphics card in stock. They kept trying to get one from other stores over 3 weeks but were unsuccessful. Finally, they contacted me to apologize profusely and acknowledge that 3 weeks was unacceptable, and as such they were going to just replace the 2.5 year-old computer with a recent model with similar specs but a faster processor and faster graphics card.

TL;DR;Always get extended AppleCare. Apple has its head screwed on straight when it comes to service.

[–]notboring 0 points1 point ago

Well, that is impressive indeed. Then again, I remember when I got the first iPhone (the phone I still have!). It locked up on the second day and the Geniuses still didn't know that a simple reboot would have solved the problem. So they gave me a new phone right then and there. So yeah, Apple does seem committed to keeping their customers happy. Good for them. As for Sony...I think the fat lady is singing. If the iTV is anything like the full convergence device the industry has been talking about for years, and if (and this is just me dreaming) it has a display like the Retina display, well. Apple with be THE television maker and everybody else will scramble to survive.

[–]CodeNC 0 points1 point ago

The graphics card on my 2.5 year-old MacPro burned out. No problem, I thought, I have extended AppleCare. I brought it in, but they didn't have the replacement graphics card in stock. They kept trying to get one from other stores over 3 weeks but were unsuccessful. Finally, they contacted me to apologize profusely and acknowledge that 3 weeks was unacceptable, and as such they were going to just replace the 2.5 year-old computer with a recent model with similar specs but a faster processor and faster graphics card.

They did that because all of the potential replacement MBPs would suffer the same issue.

It wasn't Apple's fault, but rather NVIDIA's for producing a fatally-flawed chip design. IIRC, HP replaced some of their machines in a similar manner, as did Lenovo.

[–]gkcm 0 points1 point ago

For every brand of electronics you will find products that fail after a short time and products that last longer than expected.

I have a Vaio that is five years old and still runs well. I'm a computer engineering grad student so I do a lot of programming, have large programs installed , have windows and linux, and constantly use my computer. Besides some slight overheating, I have no complaints. All my friends' computers have died already, mine is the only one that lasted all 4 years of undergrad engineering and is still strong through grad school.

[–]chochazel 2 points3 points ago

The point was not just that the model was badly made, but how Sony responded when something did go wrong.

[–]avatar28 0 points1 point ago

Thanks for the heads up. Since I work in IT I often have users ask me for advice on what brand of laptop to get. I already tell them to stay far away from the Acers. I used to suggest Sony laptops as decent. Clearly that needs to stop yesterday. I guess now I will stick with Dell, Toshiba, Lenovo, or Asus.

[–]BlitzTech 1 point2 points ago

At least HP isn't in that list. In all my time of repairing/renewing laptops, I have seen exactly zero with no problems after 2 years. Sample size 19. Small sample, but every person had the same complaint - it broke shortly after purchase and HP would not honor the warranty.

That's enough for me to never buy from them.

[–]maxnpnut -1 points0 points ago

Had many issues with my Sony AND their support. It had been recommended by our director of IT. Big mistake. I have since bought a new computer (not Sony), but had no idea how universal the Sony issues were.

[–]Sonylistens -1 points0 points ago

Good afternoon LovableContrarian,

This is Kevin Krause with the Sonylistens team. I am very sorry to hear about all the issues that you are having with your laptop. If you email us at Sonylistens@am.sony.com we will be more than happy to try and help resolve the issues that you are having. In your email be sure to include any event ID numbers you may have, a brief description of the issues you are having, and your contact information.

Thank you,

Kevin Krause

Sonylistens Team