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is it just me, or are the Freys dropping like flies. they are being killed off with alarming speed. I know he has about 100 descendants but half would be women, a good few bastards in the mix, and what can only be a lot of children. I think we should try and get a head count of how many grown men are left.

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[–]BrandynSandLord Zoidberg, why not? 31 points32 points ago

The only problem is that the Freys who are dropping like flies are the incompetent ones. The likes of Merrett, Ryman, Cleos, Petyr Pimple, Jinglebell, etc. The dangerous and competent Freys like Black Walder, Walder Rivers and Lame Lothar are all still alive.

[–]QuillandTankard 12 points13 points ago

We can take some solace from the possibility that Black Walder (or even Lame Lothar) will prune some branches of the Frey family tree himself. I recall feeling just a little sorry for poor Merrett at the end of the ASOS epilogue; it wasn't that great to be a Frey even before the Red Wedding. I can imagine House Frey doing as much to destroy itself as Lady Stoneheart's band, or the likelihood that no Frey will ever again go north of the Neck and return to the Twins as more than a corpse, with all the sweetest cuts of flesh missing.

[–]samferraraAdvisor 5 points6 points ago

Actually, this could be a poetic justice type thing- the more powerful Freys, in an attempt to thin the herd, start wiping themselves out FOR Catelyn (and us).

[–]TheBlackCompanySer Mateo of Cacapon 4 points5 points ago

and Lord Walder

[–]UnicornPower420 1 point2 points ago

heh

[–]Aliel1 0 points1 point ago

And Hosteen which was said that he's the strongest Frey

[–]ColonelFlashmanThe Chequy Lion 17 points18 points ago

Big Walder will be proved right. He will be Lord of the Crossing.

[–]QuillandTankard 7 points8 points ago

Leaving out Emmon Frey and his descendents (now granted Riverrun) and all the various maesters, septons, and outlaws who could not inherit, there are twenty-one males before Big Walder in the succession. This includes Big Walder's father, Ser Jammos. I'd call twenty-one Freys a good start.

EDIT: spelling

[–]frozentedwilliamsCorn! 1 point2 points ago

Just wait, Nymeria and her pack are only getting started, and Manderley took WAY too much pleasure in cooking up and eating Frey boys.

[–]frozentedwilliamsCorn! 5 points6 points ago

I hesistate to use this word again since I literally just used it two comments ago, but Big Walder being Lord of the Crossing would be the greatest schadenfruede in the entire series, even better than Cersei's downfall in Feast.

[–]Emperor_ZachReaver -1 points0 points ago

Mayhaps

[–]SillyBilly2The Bringer of Dragons 11 points12 points ago

Ryman Frey, Petyr Frey, Jinglebells, Cleos Frey, Tion Frey, Rhaegar Frey, Jared Frey, Tytos Frey, Symond Frey, Merrett Frey, Little Walder Frey,
Benfrey Frey, and the one that Crowsfood Umber Killed

I read through the Wiki page of house Frey so many of these probably arent mentioned very often but I'll jump on any chance to bask in the blood of dead Freys

[–]can-I-do-it-later[S] 7 points8 points ago

you forgot Stevron

[–]SillyBilly2The Bringer of Dragons 3 points4 points ago

I probably missed a few to be honest I just read through the wiki real quick, but thanks!

[–]helix19 2 points3 points ago

Didn't Catelyn kill Jinglebells?

[–]SillyBilly2The Bringer of Dragons 2 points3 points ago

yea I misread the post and put down all the Freys known to be dead

[–]helix19 1 point2 points ago

Oops! I should have figured that out. My mistake.

[–]metatron5369 0 points1 point ago

Poor, poor Aegon.

[–]Rorschach_Failure 2 points3 points ago

Aenys died too, Theon mentioned it in the TWOW chapter

[–]SillyBilly2The Bringer of Dragons 1 point2 points ago

is that the one that crowsfood killed with the trench setup?

[–]SillyBilly2The Bringer of Dragons 1 point2 points ago

puts a smile on my face every time : )

[–]ElidorBetter green than rotten 8 points9 points ago

Kill them all, let the Seven sort them out.

[–]DocTomoeScrollkeeper 1 point2 points ago

Actually, the seven do not appear especially vengeful, there does not seem to be a punishment aspect in their religion (though they mention the Freys violated the laws of "men and gods"). Or am I missing something?

[–]QuillandTankard 12 points13 points ago

There is some mention of seven hells of varying degrees of nastiness.

[–]eduffyThick as a Castle Wall 4 points5 points ago

Tell that to Cersei.

[–]metatron5369 0 points1 point ago

The custom of hospitality predate the Andals, IIRC.

[–]IamReekLost Son of the Kraken 2 points3 points ago

They should ALL die!!!

[–]ElidorBetter green than rotten 0 points1 point ago

I think you're just a tad biased, friend. Next, you'll be telling us you don't care for the Boltons, either. ಠ_ಠ

[–]Vivalayeo 2 points3 points ago

I reckon if it comes to it, the Freys will freak when the see Stannis marching on them and will probably join his cause. Think about it, the Lannisters even though they technically won the war against the Starks and Tully they aren't very strong at the moment, while Stannis' power grows.

Since Stannis is one for upholding law, I would love for him to put a lot of the Freys on trial for the Red Wedding, that would be too-fucking-sweet

[–]catboom 12 points13 points ago

Stannis wouldn't accept the Freys. He would kill all of them involved in the Red Wedding, and I seriously hope that happens.

[–]jhudsui 3 points4 points ago

Stannis wouldn't accept the Freys. He would kill all of them involved in the Red Wedding, and I seriously hope that happens.

Stannis isn't above bending his principles on this sort of thing. He won't, though, because alliance with the Freys is more a liability than an asset (that's why Bolton is throwing them away).

[–]catboom 1 point2 points ago

Stannis cut off the fingers of a smuggler who had just saved his life. Unless the Freys do something extraordinary to help Stannis they'll be lucky to just their heads.

[–]jhudsui 1 point2 points ago

Stannis cut off the fingers of a smuggler who had just saved his life.

Well, when dealing with Davos there were no issues of political expediency raising their head - the guy was just a smallfolk criminal. Stannis had no reason to do anything other than exactly what he felt like doing.

[–]DoctorRock 2 points3 points ago

I had the same thought, they will be shown no mercy by whoever confronts them, and it will be beautiful justice. Or so I would like to hope. I'm not so sure it would be Stannis though. I'm hoping Catelyn and/or Arya has something to do with it.

[–]catboom 0 points1 point ago

Unfortunately I think it's more likely that the Frey's will catch Catelyn and kill her again, at least based on how things have turned out for various people so far.

[–]cjpkillerThe Knight of Shadows 0 points1 point ago

uh... I believe Stannis died in ADWD... Bolton's bastard openly taunted Jon Snow with Stannis' death, and when the last chapter was told about them in ADWD they were really in a bind with the southern lords dealing with the harsh northern climate.

[–]shengbat 1 point2 points ago

Stannis' fate is pretty arguable

[–]frostflowers 2 points3 points ago

The Freys are dropping like flies - but that's because there's so many of them to go around. It'd be a lot less noticeable if there wasn't a hundred Freys to begin with.

Mind you, this is pretty much weeding out the stupid, the incompetent and the helpless ones. Black Walder is still around, and doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

[–]EndLegend 0 points1 point ago

Just wait for the battle to go down. I expect Stannis will take a lot of them out.

[–]jhudsui 1 point2 points ago

It's going to be brutal. I think Manderley may get the higher kill count out of that battle, though.

[–]SethBullockDeadSheriff of Deadwood 0 points1 point ago

Are there any righteous Frey's who aren't crazy?

[–]QuillandTankard 10 points11 points ago

There are some Freys who must have disapproved of the Red Wedding. Catelyn noticed that both Ser Perwyn Frey and Olyvar Frey, who served as King Robb's squire, were absent from the Red Wedding, along with their half-brother Alesander, a singer. While both Perwyn and Olyvar are full brothers to Roslin Tully (whose wedding was utterly ruined by her family's behavior), another full brother, Benfrey, attended her wedding and died of wounds received there. It seems likely to me that Perwyn, Olyvar, and Alesander were all restricted by the Freys from meeting with King Robb for fear that they might warn him.

After Bethany Rosby's surviving children, our standard for righteousness among Freys has to drop a little. Big Walder certainly earns some credit for not being as enamored with Bolton's Bastard as his half-brother Little Walder -- I even think that Big Walder is the prime suspect for Little Walder's brutal murder. Emmon and his kids can be excused the taint of treachery because they openly supported the Lannisters all along. Many Freys are still children, probably had no idea what was going on, and should certainly be considered innocent by modern standards.

[–]DocTomoeScrollkeeper 1 point2 points ago

whose wedding was utterly ruined by her family's behavior

That sounds like she was not complicit of the crime. Most likely, the way she acted before, she knew about what was going to happen, and went through with it nontheless. Is there any mention of a bedding between her and Edmure Tully, or is this a Tyrion/Sansa type of marriage? I could imagine Edmure not exactly friendly with her kind after that fiasco...

[–]QuillandTankard 9 points10 points ago

Roslin told Edmure that she was forced into the Red Wedding. If she was fully complicit with the plot, she would have played the part of the happy bride, instead of sobbing her way through her own wedding. Jaime learns that Roslin was impregnated by Edmure during the Red Wedding and is now praying for a girl, so that there isn't one more reason to kill her husband.

While most of his in-laws want him summarily hanged, Edmure seems at least somewhat fond of his wife in AFfC. He certainly wants her to bear his child.

[–]DocTomoeScrollkeeper 7 points8 points ago

I'm about 1/3 through AFFC _^

While most of his in-laws want him summarily hanged

I know that feeling.

[–]ElidorBetter green than rotten -1 points0 points ago*

Roslin seemed like a decent lady: horrified by the thought of what would come, bound to her new husband by grief and new-found love. She should be spared, and maybe a handful of her cousins.

The way I like to imagine it going down: Speculation

Further Speculation

[–]levuneStormbearer 4 points5 points ago*

As of ADWD we know, that during the Spoiler

[–]snookums 1 point2 points ago

She seemed really upset about what was happening in the books, but what could she really do? She wasn't allowed any time alone with Edmure or any of Robb's people. If she had said something when they first met, the Freys would have fallen on Robb immediately.

[–]snookums 0 points1 point ago

I think it might be even possible that the ones like Olyvar really were sent away on other business. They may not have even known what was going to happen.

[–]DocTomoeScrollkeeper 1 point2 points ago

They are not dying quickly enough. I have some sympathy even for Cersei, but the Freys are the one house that should completely be eradicated.

That being said: I suppose that GRRM, in his way of denying the reader his moments of glory, will make Spoiler

[–]ideabook3 0 points1 point ago

What twow extract is this

[–]cjpkillerThe Knight of Shadows -1 points0 points ago

The Winds of Winter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winds_of_Winter

[–]ideabook3 0 points1 point ago

I'm well aware of what twow stands for. Just had not read about any excerpt

[–]Ocean_MadnessCynic 0 points1 point ago

http://georgerrmartin.com/if-sample.html?2

[–]cjpkillerThe Knight of Shadows 0 points1 point ago

Oh... I misread that... sorry. x.x

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