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[–]veltrop 29 points30 points ago

Read this as "How do I make someone like me?"

Better move on.

[–]greenknight 6 points7 points ago

My thoughts exactly.

Doesn't sound like the ethics of someone who says:

And I realize now that's not my place to do that to people.

[–]veltrop 8 points9 points ago

Yup, sounds exactly like someone who:

was a little overbearing as a friend, trying to force her into doing things

If the OP really wants to move forward as a person, this relationship was the lesson. Staying attached to it in this way is just going in circles.

I hope they can become friends again in the future, but they both need to grow up a little more first and forgive each other.

OP, don't lose hope, I've rekindled friendships years later that had similar problems. It happened naturally though, not forced.

[–]greenknight 2 points3 points ago*

Lol. You are too nice, I wasn't going to give them what they needed; rather point her into rereading that bit again and hopefully picking up what you so graciously provided her. OP, I'm a bastard, listen to this person.

[–]veltrop 3 points4 points ago

Was sadly interesting to read the paradox in the OP. Needs to wake up and stop lying to self.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

Figure out from your shared friend how exactly your other friend feels wronged by you, and then demonstrate how you've grown from the experience.

It's hard to say without knowing what the falling out was though; there are some things that people just won't get over.

[–]JJTheJetPlane5657[S] 1 point2 points ago

I answered this in another comment, and also edited the description

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

I mean I apologized to her for being overbearing, but hatred seems a little extreme for my misguidedness. She also claims that all I ever did was make her miserable.

It sounds like it was a pretty toxic relationship, and with our (the internet) knowledge, it's hard to determine who was the main perpetrator of the toxicity. If she's just that vengeful and spiteful a person, you are better off not trying to make her like you again; you'll spend far more energy than you'll ever get out of her. If it was you being a bad friend (and possibly a bit more than overbearing?), then she may just not be ready to forgive or trust you yet--especially because to her the relationship probably had less of a meaning than it does to you.

I don't even care about what she did that much anymore, but I don't really understand why she's mad at me

She probably doesn't either. From your explanation, she sounds a bit dramatic.

Ultimately it's more of a relationship advice thing than social engineering, but from an SE perspective if you do want to bring her back into your life, I would say to be an awesome friend to your mutual friend--don't kiss ass, just be a really genuine, accepting friend. Hang out with the mutual friend and do not do any of those "overbearing" things you used to. Word WILL get around to your ex-friend.

If you do talk to your friend, don't tell her you feel her reaction is extreme: it will probably come across as judgmental to her. Tell her you miss her friendship, you understand how the way you acted pushed her away but never intended to make her feel miserable; ask if there is anything else she would like to add because you want to clear the bad blood and regain a friendship you value.

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[–]JJTheJetPlane5657[S] 1 point2 points ago

I'm female.

She's actually the one who made me mad, she was shit talking me behind my back and spreading a bunch of lies about me and I found out about it. I tried confronting her about what she said and she wouldn't admit to it. I was a little overbearing as a friend, trying to force her into doing things that I felt were for her "own good". And I realize now that's not my place to do that to people..

I don't even care about what she did that much anymore, but I don't really understand why she's mad at me. I mean I apologized to her for being overbearing, but hatred seems a little extreme for my misguidedness. She also claims that all I ever did was make her miserable.

[–]gioraffe32 2 points3 points ago

Is Social Engineering your ex friend into liking you again really a good idea? Doesn't that cheapen the friendship?

But that's a judgment, and not what you were looking for.

You have two questions, but question two is actually the answer to question one. If she hates you, doesn't want to deal with you, then you really have no other means but to use a mutual friend. I suppose time could work too, but idk how much more you're willing to wait, especially after 7 months. Realize though, that it's probably already an awkward situation for your mutual friend. If I'm friends with two people who are fighting, the last thing I want to do is pick a side or even get involved at all. If the mutual friend has enough sway over your ex-friend, they stand better chance at making your case. If the mutual is more the follower of the ex, then you're probably SOL.

I feel like this subreddit is more about taking advantage of people's stupidity and naiveté; "lack of defense" so to say. This person has thrown up an entire wall with you on the outside. Any type of intervention honestly sounds like it will only aggravate the situation and possibly mess up things b/t the mutual and the ex.

[–]robeph 0 points1 point ago

While social engineering tends to imply such, this isn't it's only use. There are plenty of legitimate uses and this can be one of those. How do you trick someone into letting their guard down with carried anger from a prior engagement so you can even begin (without necessarily SEing them at that point) to try and rebuild it.

SE isn't just about taking advantage of people, it is taking advantage of the human element... Intelligent people can be SE'd, it has nothing to do with whether they're naive or stupid... although that can help. That's just an aspect.

[–]Jedi_Ninja 2 points3 points ago

Your friend sounds eerily similar to a friend of mine. She acted the same way towards many of her friends myself included. One week we were the best of friends and the next out of the blue she sends me a text say she hated me and never wanted to talk to me again. I still don't know what it was she thought I did that made her so mad.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

You need to (wo)man up and realize that she feels there is a reason she can be mad at you. You say it's all her fault but of course after months of only thinking about the situation and never really talking about, of course it you'd forget any wrongdoings that you may or may not have contributed.

If you truly want to fix this friendship you need to be willing to look past whatever she may think you did and move on. Go to her and tell her you're sorry if you ever did anything to hurt her and let her know you want to move on and be friends again. Don't dare bring up any specifics, don't get all catty when she said you were a bitch, and don't you even think about telling her that it was her fault.

This is something us men go through every day. Count your lucky stars that she doesn't get to decide when you have sex.

[–]greenknight 2 points3 points ago

And I realize now that's not my place to do that to people..

Yet you ask us how you can go about that? You need to think about your motives for doing this a bit more.

[–]yomamaisallama 1 point2 points ago

This woman sounds pretty immature - instead of directly communicating her frustrations with your behavior, she chose to shit-talk you to others and refused to apologize to you once confronted. Even now, she continues to refuse to discuss the issue with you like an adult.

Why do you even want to be this person's friend?

[–]JJTheJetPlane5657[S] 0 points1 point ago

Well that's what my head says too, that I'm wasting my time.

But we were really close for a long time, and part of me can't help but miss that. It doesn't really help that I see her all the time as we go to the same school..

[–]pluspen 0 points1 point ago

Are you on talking terms? If so write her a letter. Edit and sleep on it a lot before you send it.

[–]ananasassassassassin 0 points1 point ago

As someone who's been the mutual friend, it's uncomfortable as hell being the intermediary between two friends fighting. So don't put too much pressure on your friend to help you and your former best friend to get along again.

[–]NattyBroh 0 points1 point ago

Figure out what she wants and find a way to buy her off. If she won't take the bait, find a way to force her to. After all, it's for her own good.

[–]Eurydemus 0 points1 point ago

Give up.

[–]oppy 0 points1 point ago

In 7th grade my best friend and I stopped talking. I ended up making an AIM screen name to resemble a mutual friend and from there invited myself and exfriend to a chatroom. I intended on trolling, but ended up making up with her in the process. To this day, the mutual friend doesn't know what happened.

Fastforward 6 years - I sign in to the fake account I made and start trolling tons of people. Mutual friend says that people hacked his account and was shocked that someone could guess his "ultra-strong password". :| mfw he claims that account as his own.

[–]s3antidote 1 point2 points ago

Urgh had the same issue. Best friend, went away for a week abroad, came back and was totally jerk and just blanked me. I got mad, so blanked him back. Yadda yadda, after a month of nothing I message him saying sorry bla bla did I do something wrong. He comes back, saying everything's cool and "I don't have a problem with you". Well geez thanks dude, I don't have a problem with you either. Fuck that. And since then only had sporadic contact, a few Facebook messages and texts here and there. Then in December, we got on the same class trip, and in the end even shared a room. Everything was like nothing had happened in the 9 months before. But now that terms started up again, just blanks me in class and doesn't talk. So freaking random. Don't know what to do this time. Just leave it? Say something ago? How one can think this is 'normal' is just urgh. Sorry to rant about my problem on your post!

[–]JJTheJetPlane5657[S] 0 points1 point ago

Haha, it's perfectly fine! Everyone seems to be of the mindset that I'm trying to trick my friend, so maybe seeing someone else relate will make me seem a little less scummy..

I'm sorry about your crap friend, and I feel your pain </3

[–]pluspen 1 point2 points ago

Real Advice:

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/10/05/the-benjamin-franklin-effect/

Get your friend to do something nice for you. She will then rationalize that she did the nice thing because she likes you.