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[–]pbourdykNutrition, Soccer (Competitive) 43 points44 points ago*

Having tried and experimented with a moderate variety of pre-workout supps, I feel like I could share some wisdom:

::edited to include links to some sources::

I feel this is an essential part of just about any pre-workout, it improves focus, motivation, and increases endurance. 100-200mg dose is my preference. It can be a powerful, stand-alone pre-wo supp or work synergistically with the others.

Great for endurance, 5g pre-wo gives me the slightest paraesthesia but is great for my 2h+ weekend workouts (which usually includes complexes, followed by endurance work on the Erg or swimming).

  • 1,3-DMAA (capped source here)

Dimethylamylamine... the stuff in Jack3d. Great focus enhancer, but isn't fantastic in motivating me to lift heavy or for many sets unless paired with caffeine. I find myself a lot more irritable on DMAA and often catch myself mentally critiquing people's lifting form at the gym while under this one's influence. 40mg of DMAA + 200mg caffeine can be a beastly dose, however, if taken on a relatively empty stomach.

I haven't been overly impressed with any of these acetylcholine concentration affecting as pre-workouts, but without excessive CNS stims in my system, they do have an effect on my focus in the gym. I would categorize them as very mild unless paired with a CNS stimulant (or piracetam for focus, which I've started only recently and don't have a lot of self attributed data on).

CNS stims work best on an empty stomach, the studies indicate BCAAs' effectiveness at preventing muscle breakdown in a fasted state while strength or endurance training. I cannot comment objectively on the efficacy first hand, but 2-3 scoops of Xtend is a staple if I workout completely fasted, and the citrulline seems to slightly help with endurance.

Although I don't usually take it as a pre-workout (due to usually working out fasted and my preference of pairing it with carbs), 3-5 days of continuous supplementation with 5g/day (during any time of day) shows noticeable improvement for lifting. If taken pre-workout, I like it for my longer non-fasted workouts in a 1:1 ratio with beta-alanine and choline/dmae for some focus. About taking it with caffeine: it doesn't seem like caffeine completely negates creatine's phosphate donation and whether you want to avoid the slight inhibition is up to you.

  • Ephedrine HCl (vitamart.ca - a Canadian place based in Edmonton, Alberta, I do not know if they ship to the US)

This is the fucking king of CNS stims and adrenaline/noradrenaline precursors. I know that it is primarily used as a cutting supplement for appetite curbing and stimulating thermogenesis, however, I'll be damned if I haven't broken all kinds of lifting PRs on this stuff paired with caffeine. It, of course, comes with a whole set of disclaimers and one should use it with caution (e.g., don't go out and do HIIT on it). But a 25mg/200mg Ephedrine HCl/Caffeine dose 45-60 minutes before a lifting session does wonders for my motivation, focus, and CNS employment - more so than anything I have tried.


Stacking:

I prefer to keep the ingredients of my pre-workout combinations limited depending on my goals for the workout and how I'm feeling.

  • A hard lifting session usually calls for strong CNS stimulation and focus, so Ephedrine+Caffeine, DMAA+Caffeine, +Beta-alanine, +Creatine as per preference.

  • A more endurance based workout usually calls for something like choline+dmae+beta-alanine in approximately 3g/3g/5g proportions, but this can be experimented with. This seems to go well effects of caffeine still lingering in the system (e.g. having a coffee 2 hrs before the workout, and having the stack 30 minutes prior to workout).

  • Before soccer I often want the focus from caffeine and the added endurance from beta-alanine so will often pair them in a 100mg/5g ratio for great effects.


I am currently experimenting with piracetam as a focus and study aid and plan on giving it a shot prior to working out. So far its effects haven't impressed me entirely, but reading some reports in /r/nootropics makes me believe i need to be patient with this one.


I hope someone finds this useful and if not, I don't mind having reflected, in writing on some of the supplements I've experimented with in the last 6 months.

[–]wotton 4 points5 points ago

If you play sports that do routine drug tests DMAA can be a bit dodge mind you.

[–]pbourdykNutrition, Soccer (Competitive) 0 points1 point ago

This is true, I have tryouts coming up for a local 4th tier of the pyramid team and cut DMAA out 2 weeks ago to ensure 30 days of cleanliness.

[–]HerbalPlz 1 point2 points ago

I very much appreciate this post. It's hard finding good reviews of some of supplements, especially in a concise format. Too many times I've read reviews like "I'm not sure if it's working, but I'm doing better, so it must be working!"

I look forward to your piracetam review, and after reading /r/nootropics and receiving some PMs, my perception of it is confused. There seems to be an equal amounts of reviews saying it works, and others saying it doesn't. I'd try it out myself, but it's expensive getting it shipped to Canada :( I've heard some excellent things about aniracetam, though.

[–]molliemander05 1 point2 points ago

Lots of good info, thanks! What do you recommend for the caffeine?

[–]pbourdykNutrition, Soccer (Competitive) 0 points1 point ago

I like the taste of strong black coffee, as well as, espresso so I prefer it. However, any generic Caffeine Anhydrous will work in pill form.

[–]whydoievenbother 0 points1 point ago

Completely agreed. I quite enjoy incredibly strong coffee... being punched in the face by your morning beverage is a great way to kick-start the day. I grew up drinking lots of strong/bitter tea, so the transition was pretty easy for me. Adding anything to either drink just feels like dessert candy for me.

[–]jblade 0 points1 point ago

Thanks for the post... anyway we can get some links to the supplements. Having problems finding some that are legit for some of them.

[–]bruce656 -1 points0 points ago

Are there any good pre-workout supplements for motivation? :0/

[–]pbourdykNutrition, Soccer (Competitive) 0 points1 point ago

Stimulants (ephedrine, caffeine) are highly motivating both mentally and physically. Mark Berkhan (of Leangains) reports here that jack3d (and hence its ingredients - caffeine, dmaa, arginine) cause some sort of focus and motivational effect.

Experiments with most racetams (piracetam falls into this category) suggest oncoming bouts of intense focus and motivation upon ingestion, however, as I mentioned, I haven't experimented with these enough yet.

[–]TigerBait1127 1 point2 points ago

I'm guessing you haven't seen anything that would suggest Caffeine negates the positives of creatine.

I haven't been able to find anything substantial on the subject

[–]pbourdykNutrition, Soccer (Competitive) 1 point2 points ago

I have. Positive effects of creatine are attributed to retention of fluids filled with phosphate groups readily available to be donated during ATP (adenosine-tri-PHOSPHATE, the 'energy' molecule) production in the muscles. The transport mechanism during which creatine is 'loaded' into your system is dependent on being hydrated and caffeine is a damn good diuretic, however, even in doses of 200-400mg its effects at completely dehydrating you are marginal.

I mentioned caffeine's inhibiting effects on creatine uptake, the extent of this inhibition I am still researching.

[–]CuedUp 0 points1 point ago

If you're in the US like me, you can get Ephedrine HCl from bronchial asthma medicine. I use Primatene. Some people don't like the Guaifenesin in it, but I don't have another readily-available source. If anyone knows of another though, let me know!

[–]rapeasaurus 0 points1 point ago

I don't know about you but Brokaid is about half the price of Primatene in my pharmacy, just fyi.

[–]db0255 1 point2 points ago

Skip piracetam. Use pramiracetam with the choline. Tastes like shit but works wonders for hangovers, clarity, etc.

[–]pbourdykNutrition, Soccer (Competitive) 0 points1 point ago

The first time I tried piracetam (2g attack dose), I took it with about 3oz of water. I don't think I've ever tasted anything so vial. It was awesome.

Any other places to get pramiracetam other than the ones listed here?

[–]whydoievenbother 0 points1 point ago

If you're looking for anything more vile, I highly recommend Cissus or ALCAR. Both of those are pretty rough first thing in the morning. Really though, the best way to dose and take any small amount of powdered supplement is to toss it into the back of your mouth and wash it down with water. If you can skip over the teeth and the tongue altogether, it's less of a bother. I've tried this with a half-dozen powders ranging from chalk (BCAAs) to sugar (Beta-Alanine).

[–]db0255 0 points1 point ago

Idk if youre from the US, but I get all my stuff Cerebral Health. They have Noopept and Pramiracetam. If you thought piracetam was vial...pramiracetam tastes even viler.

[–]pbourdykNutrition, Soccer (Competitive) 0 points1 point ago

I've one foot in the US and another in Canada, so to speak (hence the easy access to both piracetam and ephedrine), so Cerebral Health works. Thanks.

Also... "vial" instead of "vile"... what was i thinking, lol.

[–]shmishshmorshinNutrition, Soccer (Competitive) -1 points0 points ago

That's funny that our shared flair also leads to shared uses, specifically before soccer.

[–]Sl1ngdad 11 points12 points ago

D-Aspartic-Acid, supposedly boost testosterone. Would love to have your input on that.

[–]kryptonik_ 6 points7 points ago

I'm at day 10 of taking 3000mg DAA daily. While I cannot claim any boost of T, due to lack of blood work, I will say, that my libido is up, and I am generally happier and feeling pretty damn good. I also just hit a new PR on both front squat and back squat this week.

If it's all placebo, that is great, if not, even better. Either way, I am hornier, and stronger, some how.

[–]jon784 2 points3 points ago

I'm very skeptical with regards to supplements, but this one has support from the literature. The following study was performed with both placebo and adequate subject size. In humans, the DAA boosted Luteinizing Hormone plasma levels by 33% and Testosterone by 42% after 12 days. Dose was 3.12 g per day.

http://www.rbej.com/content/7/1/120

[–]nosequel 1 point2 points ago

There is pretty decent research to support it, but you need quite a bit for it to be effective. If you are seeing in a mix, or a pill, it probably isn't doing anything for you. The other issue is solubility, the stuff just doesn't like to mix into water and it sticks to everything (put in cup, stick to cup, can't consume). Patrick Arnold (http://patrickarnoldblog.com/) has a patent application out for his better form of DAA that will actually mix correctly and comes in the right dosage here (http://epharmnutrition.com/testforce2.php). I personally think it works, but it needs to be cycled as suggested on the container.

[–]jon784 1 point2 points ago

Yea good point. The Testforce DAA comes in the Sodium D-Aspartate (salt) form as opposed to the D-Aspartic Acid form. Upon dissolving, the sodium and aspartate dissociate from each other. Since they're both charged species, they dissolve readily in water making it convenient for dosing. Other brands of DAA also contain the Sodium D-Aspartate form of the compound. Check the ingredients before you purchase.

[–]naakhtkhen 0 points1 point ago

So where/what type would be best to purchase?

[–]nosequel 0 points1 point ago

I personally have used the testforce stuff I linked to from epharm. I figured Patrick invented that use, and other people copied so I give him the business. Full disclosure, I've never tested another brand.

[–]errr1 0 points1 point ago

Actually, Testforce is d-aspartic calcium chelate, which is specifically what Patrick Arnold invented. It also has sarcosine in it (the NMDAR needs both glutamate and glycine to bind to it for activation). In this case, DAA is probably a prodrug to NMDA (or may directly bind to the receptor), and sarcosine activates the glycine site.

[–]jon784 0 points1 point ago

Gotcha. Thanks for the correction on the calcium in the testforce.

[–]eric_twinge 11 points12 points ago

On the examine page for creatine, the notes say to take it at rest.

I'm sure I'm over thinking this, but how long after a workout am I "at rest" with respect to AMPK activation?

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 14 points15 points ago

Shit, I will have to fix that like now.

Disregard it; like, completely.

[–]eric_twinge 2 points3 points ago

haha.

[–]Ikehitstina 7 points8 points ago

dat coffee

[–]Swiss_Cheese9797 7 points8 points ago

I get no sun where I live, what's a good Vitamin D brand?

[–]Touchdown_Syndrome 1 point2 points ago

I have been using Nature made soft gel caps. They are really small and easy to swallow.

[–]bezjones 0 points1 point ago*

Edit: wrong link. Here's the right one

[–]RyanMT 0 points1 point ago

Carlson. They are known for quality.

[–]shortkid422Power Lifting (Competitive - Elite), Farting (Elite) 5'2" 6 points7 points ago

I weigh 127lb with maybe 12-13% BF ... is 4 lbs of extra water retention normal? I could underhand 2-3 lbs at my size, but I had fluctuation of 4-5 lbs this last week.

Related: if I were to stop creatine and flush it out via caffeine, weigh in for a meet, then take my 5g as soon as I step off the scale, how long (hours? days? week?) until I could expect the benefits of creatine + water retention?

[–]bschwietPower Lifting (Intermediate) 1 point2 points ago

Anecdote alert! I'm about 180 and 15% right now and i just recently started adding in creatine and have only gained about 2-3 lbs. This is also mixed in with normal weight gain from diet.

[–]AhmedF 2 points3 points ago

Someone is addicted to the ROID

[–]rrobe53 0 points1 point ago

I'm in the 185-190 range, and I seem to have around 8-9lbs of water retention, that being weight I lose rapidly when I cycle into low carb. I don't think 4lbs would be outrageous.

[–]bschwietPower Lifting (Intermediate) 2 points3 points ago

except he is talking about specifically the water retention experienced from starting creatine not from having a carb rich diet

[–]rrobe53 1 point2 points ago

I guess, I kind of took it in two separate questions, the water retention and then flushing/water retention from supplements, with my question being more geared toward regular water retention.

[–]MrTomnus -1 points0 points ago

I believe I've been told that creatine becomes almost immediately bioavailable. Not sure though.

Edit: So for the extra power output etc you might get it quickly.

[–]HerbalPlz 5 points6 points ago

I'm still using the Bodybuilding mix posted by silverhydra in this thread.

I'm not sure how good it is compared to pre-mixes... but it's a silvy recommendation. So that settled it for me.

[–]ParonomasiaWeightlifting, Hockey 1 point2 points ago

Seems like it contains a lot of dextrose. Couldn't you just mix that formula in with some juice and skip on buying all that sugar?

[–]Ninjazn 3 points4 points ago

I like using White Flood. Controlled Labs is a pretty solid company and they've always seemed to listen to their customers/get feedback and improve.

I don't think a pre-workout is necessary at all, but on certain days it is nice to have that extra "boost" before heading off to the gym. Although I think it is important to keep in mind that pre-workouts should not be used to give you motivation (that motivation should come from within) but rather, if needed, help kick start your workout. Just my 2 cents.

[–]ParasthesiaWeightlifting, Field Events 0 points1 point ago

I too like this supplement, particularly for the Theobromine (might be half mental)

really gets your heart pumping. Also tastes great but that's at the best a psychological boost.

I miss the taste of the original formula White Raspberry :(

[–]KomradeKettlebellKettlebells, Powerlifting (Competitive) 1 point2 points ago

I generally don't use any except for Deadlift days (Disclaimer: right now these are the only real heavy day I do at the moment)

The last couple times I've:

  • 3 scoops of Jack3D
  • 2 scoops of ON in water
  • 1 can of reg Coke

All 30 mins or so before and I've noticed that I have good energy the entire workout. I don't get buzzed of the jack. I just have a nice amount of energy and that doesn't mess with my mind and I feel the cals from the other two really keep my going.

[–]XOmniverseCalisthenics, Weight Lifting 4 points5 points ago

I've used Jack3d and I currently use Cellucor C4 Extreme. They are similar products.

I honestly think most of the benefit I get from pre-workout supplements is in the stimulants. I tend to have more endurance and need less down time during my workout, and I know it's not the creatine that does this because I supplement that daily independently of my pre-workout.

I also like that feeling of pump that some of them give you. I notice it a lot more with C4 than I did with Jack3d. I know that there isn't much evidence to suggest that the pumped feeling actually means anything as far as muscle growth, results, etc. but it does feel good and get me more psychologically involved in my workout.

Truthfully, I could probably just buy some caffeine pills and L-Citrulline and get the same basic effect at a lower price.

[–]KickassKent 5 points6 points ago

Jack3d always gave me the feeling similiar to a weaker version of adderall. It would just make me more focused which would result in more complete and satisfying workouts. My roommate, who was a med student, would actually take jack3d to help him study.

[–]IKWYL 8 points9 points ago

Last semester I often took a scoop of jack3d before my caulc exams. It definitely got the blood flowing and helped me focus a bit more... but one time I took two scoops and just wanted to flip my desk over and do pushups. I got a C on that exam.

[–]ryeguy 0 points1 point ago

The big difference between Jack3d and other PWO supps, and the reason people react differently (often badly) to it, is because of the DMAA.

[–]audacian 1 point2 points ago

How have people reacted badly? I take OEP right now and I love it, except on days I don't / forget to take it I have a massive headache. :(

[–]ryeguy 0 points1 point ago

Some people get overly jittery when taking it.

[–]audacian 0 points1 point ago

Ah, okay, that's what I figured. Ephedrine makes me feel way worse than DMAA, personally.

[–]XOmniverseCalisthenics, Weight Lifting 0 points1 point ago

DMAA makes me feel kinda jittery for a while. I find myself being easily startled and irritable too. Basically, it feels a lot like if you have way too much caffeine, only it seems to last longer.

[–]Berengal 2 points3 points ago

Does vitamin D need a substantial fat-transport to be taken up, or is any fat good enough (say 1-2g fish oil)? I've also seen vit D in the form of gel capsules with soy oil; can these be taken alone?

[–]mrbrinks 2 points3 points ago

This is a question I'd like answered. I typically take my Vitamin D with my Fish Oil (along with a meal), but never really gave it any thought beyond "welp time to pop my pills."

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 0 points1 point ago

2-3 fish oil capsules should probably do the trick. But obviously the more food you take with it, the better the chances of absorption. I usually just pop it with my first meal (you can also take the fish oil with your first meal too).

[–]nimr0d 1 point2 points ago

That is a good amount, it doesnt take much. If you want to be super sure, just take it with a meal.

[–]supps_for_bonerz 1 point2 points ago

Throw away account because I am a bit embarrassed by this. Are there any supplements that have a side effect of more erections/shorter recovery time? I have no issues getting up and performing for my girlfriend, but usually after the second romp in the sack after a short period time I begin to have some issues. I can usually still get hard, but struggle to stay so. Is there anything I can take that will help with this/reduce overall refractory period? Bonus points if it helps with mah gainzzz

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 3 points4 points ago

A fair bit of test boosters do the 'more erections' part, and yohimbine does as well. The former because some of those compounds are aphrodisiac in nature, and the latter through for some reason increasing Nitric Oxide (vasodilator) in the dick.

I think eurycoma longifolia and horny goat weed win for the former category.

I haven't seen any supplements to make people last longer. I saw one study on rats that a derivative of Eurycoma was able to do this, but it was in too high a dose to obtain from the actual plant and is not on the market at this point in time. (Just Examined it, the compound is 9-hydroxycanthin-6-one)

[–]supps_for_bonerz 0 points1 point ago

Mucho gracias. Lasting longer isn't really an issue, its more a function of being able to get hard again after multiple sessions in a short period of time. Sounds like yohimbine is something to seriously look into.

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[–]TacoBoarder 0 points1 point ago

maca root and horny goat weed are boner enhancers. HGW often has maca root in it, too.

[–]brotz 0 points1 point ago

Yohimbine/Yohimbe has always been touted for its boner properties (supposed to help the ladies as well). I think tribulus extract might be worth researching as well.

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 0 points1 point ago

There's definitely supps that can help with libido and they include:

Tribulus, Horny Goat Weed, Maca, Tongkat Ali, Yohimbine, and Citrulline/Arginine.

The refectory period is based on levels of prolactin/dopamine, and if you have more dopamine in your system it might help with that. L-DOPA might definitely help with that, but that's not something I'd mess with personally.


Things I would consider from a more intrinsic approach (naturalistic fallacy, yay!):

Take Vitamin D if you're not already (2000-5000IU/d, higher dose in the winter, lower in the summer)

Take Zinc if you don't get enough in your diet and you probably don't if you have low libido. Try 10-30mg a day of any form that isn't oxide... I take 2 caps of ZMA a day, which is 20mg Zinc, 300mg Magnesium.

Consider taking Theanine or Tyrosine which both improve levels of Dopamine in the body (which would help with the refectory period). You can dose 50-250mg of Theanine or 0.5-3g of Tyrosine a day. Don't take Tyrosine at night though, and Theanine is actually good at night.

Vitamin D and Zinc might both help with teh gainz, and so might Theanine if it helps improve your sleep quality. Tyrosine is also half-decent in a pre-workout. You can also drink decaffeinated green tea at night which contains Theanine. Green tea also helps with bodily absorption of zinc, interestingly enough.

[–]LastStrokeOfTwelve 0 points1 point ago

Always do your kegels. You will be harder and orgasms more intense and control during and after will be better.

Like any exercise program, give it a month or two of real work before you see the bigger results.

[–]Touchdown_Syndrome 1 point2 points ago

I think even after a quick kegel work out (50 or so) you can see a noticeable difference in orgasm experience.

[–]LastStrokeOfTwelve 1 point2 points ago

You often can. In my experience, there's a quick improvement, then not much for a while, then more improvement.

In a couple months, he should be able to service a harem without stopping between women. He didn't explicitly say "harem", but I like to think it was implied.

[–]audacian 1 point2 points ago

I didn't know men could do kegels. The moar you know.

[–]FunDuck 3 points4 points ago

unflavored protein

Question: I purchased this protein and it takes like super ass, I figure the more the stuff tastes like ass the better is it for you. Is this protein better then the marketed flavored brands?

[–]brotz 2 points3 points ago

No. Whey protein is whey protein. Unless there's something particular in the ingredient list you want to avoid (artificial sweetener, etc), then no reason to avoid the flavored stuff.

[–]gjwebber 1 point2 points ago

I have yet another question about yohimbine. Mine arrived today, finally, so I will start tomorrow morning.

How long does it stay in your system for? I know the dose is 0.2mg / kg of bodyweight, and to take it while fasted. But, do I take it once a day or could I take it more than once during my fasted state, provided I leave a couple of hours between doses?

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 1 point2 points ago*

Crap, I don't have the source on hand... I recall that the half-life around 1-2 hours though, and that it would need a second dose 4 hours later.

Its not in the blood terribly long

Edit: Apparently I overestimated the half-life; look below/above depending on karma

[–]rrobe53 1 point2 points ago

I'll tag onto his question and hopefully draw some more of your wisdom. Does it make a difference when you take yohimbine in relation to exercise? For example, I typically exercise late at night, and my yohimbine supplement also contains caffiene. If I take the pill right before exercise, I'll be up all night, so I typically be taking it about 3-4 hours before exercise. It seems like I won't have the yohimbine in my system while I'm actually working out then. Is it wasteful, or does it not make a difference?

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 1 point2 points ago

Logically, it would be better to take it before exercise than at rest (although both cases would be beneficial). There aren't any studies on the matter directly, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be better.

The yohimbine would still benefit you if taken when you do it, its just not the 'best' scenario. Although its better, in this case, then screwing your sleep up.

[–]rrobe53 0 points1 point ago

I'm typically fasting through morning, if that matters. I'd think that the energy expenditure through exercise would offset the available energy through the fast period, so that more fat would be burned then, but I'm no expert. I skip breakfast and then eat a heavy lunch, and just a protein/creatine shake for "dinner" after having worked out, so I haven't eaten a substantial meal for around 16-18 hours at my first dose.

[–]lee_ror 0 points1 point ago

Quick question. Most people have the fasted period in the morning/late night...

yohimbine is said to have a variety of sexual benefits...but the effects of yohimbine are negated by insulin spikes.

So...what is your "fucking window"to get the benefit of yohimbine?

Btw i'm coining the phrase"fucking window"

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 0 points1 point ago

Not sure, the inhibition was just on a fat cell level so the 'yohimbine being affected by insulin' thing might not apply to boner effects.

[–]lee_ror 0 points1 point ago

Who has two thumbs and more boners? This guy

[–]brotz 1 point2 points ago

If you've never used it before, be sure to start with a small dosage and see how it goes. Yohimbine seems to hit some people really hard and can have some unenjoyable side effects like panic attacks.

[–]TimothyVdp 0 points1 point ago

2 questions:

  • I had my blood tested and results were ok for my minerals, is it usefull to supplement magnesium/zinc/calcium etc?

  • If I drink a pot of green tea in the morning will taking fishoil and vitamin D be useless before lunch? take them after lunch? Same question if I take a green tea pill before lunch, can I take fishoil/vitD after lunch or will this be useless?

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 1 point2 points ago

  • If the minerals were in the normal range, I don't see why you would need to supplement them. Perhaps it might be a good idea if they were barely in range (ie. 15-35 is acceptable and you got 16), but otherwise I wouldn't bother.

  • I'm not exactly sure, although in this case I would just take the pills with or after lunch. Green tea's ability to hinder fat absorption isn't 100%, but it could be pretty potent if you only have some lipid capsules in your gut at the time rather than a whole whack of chyme from lunch.

[–]TimothyVdp 0 points1 point ago

thanks

[–]b0yd07 0 points1 point ago

This is news to me. How would this affect someone trying to eat a lot of fat, on a keto diet for example?

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 0 points1 point ago

If you start getting lipid globules in your feces you're drinking too much green tea and pooping out fats.

[–]ratheNutrition, Weightlifting (Recreational) 1 point2 points ago*

caffeine (coffee)

I'm doing IF and the coffee seems to help me wake up in the morning and get through my workout (I'm usually in the gym within an hour of waking up)

[–]genthree 0 points1 point ago

Do you not get crazy shits drinking coffee on an empty stomach? I've switched to tea for this reason.

[–]ratheNutrition, Weightlifting (Recreational) 1 point2 points ago

no, haven't experienced this before... luckily

[–]CornSprint 1 point2 points ago

I wait to use coffee until later in the day but definitely use it for my training still. In all honesty, a lot of supplements that are way more expensive use caffeine as a major component. After trying a ton of others, I have noticed no difference in using coffee other than it being much cheaper.

[–]theleprechaun69 1 point2 points ago

Caffeine pill + Xtend BCAA (Per many recommendations here!). Love the BCAA, but sometimes the caffeine doesn't give me the "pump" I love in PWO mixes.

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 1 point2 points ago

That's probably the only supplement (Xtend) where I had to stop taking it due to overconsumption as a result of delicious.

Was too expensive when I used it as a flavoring for water.

[–]OldGuyEd 0 points1 point ago

Overconsumption due to expense or due to retaining too much of some of its ingredients? I didn't think BCAAs could be overdosed (in any sane amount).

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 1 point2 points ago

Overconsumption as I drank it too frequently because it was delicious and my wallet was unhappy.

[–]poisonjam46Olympic Lifting, Nutrition (Student) 0 points1 point ago

Why not take them in pill form then? Although I do get weird looks popping ~30 pills in an hour..

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 1 point2 points ago

If I want BCAAs now, I either get unflavored (or non-delicious) or pills. Currently, though, I don't use any BCAAs.

[–]FunDuck -1 points0 points ago

BCAA's

Question: Unflavored vs marketed flavored kind, is there any difference? I just bought my second container and I have to say that I think unflavored BCAA's is one of the hardest supplements to consume due to horrendous taste. Like super ass worse then Unflavored whey protein isolate.

[–]poisonjam46Olympic Lifting, Nutrition (Student) 0 points1 point ago

How do you feel about them in general? Lots of people say it's overkill if you're not fasting.

I'm 16 and I oly/powerlift at my local Crossfit (closest lifting gym to me) gym. I take BCCAs as my main recovery supplement, and I'm currently on the paleo diet so I don't take much protein post workout as I've always got some leftover (delicious!) food.

I take them in pill form.

[–]desperatechaosWeightlifting, Olympic Lifting 0 points1 point ago

You can stomach unflavored? Shit is disgusting (I know I've complained about this before and you recommended some lemon juice; just picked some up this week).

[–]ScoregasmWeightlifting, Rugby 0 points1 point ago

The pills were such an awful experience for me. They have no density so when you take them with water they float towards the back of your throat before I'm ready to swallow. Results in uncomfortable swallows and gagging. Xtend all the way.

EDIT: Tense correction.

[–]iknowthepiecesfit -1 points0 points ago

Random question, does the Xtend give you any sort of jittery feeling like caffeine does? I get caffeine induced panic attacks and I'm really cautious about supplements because some of them can bring those on for me. I am doing IF and really want to get some of this to drink before my fasted workouts.

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] -1 points0 points ago

I never got any, but I'm completely insensitive to stimulants so I would be a bad subject to compare to.

[–]theleprechaun69 0 points1 point ago

None. Looking at the ingredients, doesn't look like there are any stimulants in it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

I did this when I was hungover once. Best. Idea. Ever. However, now I always want it when I feel like shit after a night of drinking. Blue raspberry xtend why are you so delish?

[–]abentonCrossfit (Competitive) 0 points1 point ago

I too have began to love the chalky blueberry taste

[–]theleprechaun69 0 points1 point ago

Ugh, I used it as a chaser for booze one night and ended up puking. Made it hard to choke down the following workout day :(.

[–]burrburr 0 points1 point ago

Any chance to get Xtend BCAA in Europe?

[–]SEMW 1 point2 points ago

Do supplements tend to have a linear effect with dose (taking half the dose would give half the result), or a 'diminishing returns' effect with dose (taking half the dose would give more than half of the result)?

Or if it varies, which is it for the each of the fititt usual suspects (fish oil, whey, vitamin D, creatine, etc.)?

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 1 point2 points ago

It always varies depending on the compound.

Fish oil is dependent (for the most part) of overall polyunsaturated status (n3:n6 ratio). Whey is similar as it needs to be in the context of the diet as a whole.

No clue about vitamin D, I think half the dose of creatine gives more than half the effects and thus its diminishing.

[–]SEMW 1 point2 points ago

Thanks.

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 0 points1 point ago

Vitamin D is a diminishing returns type one. A lot of the health benefits come from dosing even 1000IU/d, a decent amount more from 2000IU/d, and only a few more from 4000IU/d. After a certain point you start to actually see a reduction in benefit for many things.

[–]Rainymood_XI 1 point2 points ago

I'm currently taking in 5,000 iu/day, I read that vit-d can be stored. Should I start taking it every other day or is every day fine?

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 1 point2 points ago

Everyday is 100% fine during the winter, consider switching to every other day during the warmer months (summer).

[–]King_Pearson 1 point2 points ago

I just won a 44 pack of Animal Pak Cuts, and they'll come in the mail tomorrow. What should I expect? Has anyone had any experience with them?

[–]keepinithamsta 0 points1 point ago

They worked fine as an appetite suppressant for me.

However, if you were shelling out money, I would recommend truenutrition's burn. It my experiences, it has literally the same appetite suppressing effects with a bit more energy while having yohimbine hci. I only take 6 total pills a day instead of the maximum 9 so it lasts for roughly the same amount of days for half the price.

[–]King_Pearson 0 points1 point ago

That's all well and good, but these were free. Should I take them fasted in the morning before my workouts? I lift heavy in the morning and then sometimes do cardio, yoga, or rock climbing in the afternoon. Also, should I take them on days when I don't work out? I have yohimbine I can just use on rest days to kill appetite

[–]goodguyc 1 point2 points ago

Im new to this so im not sure if this is the right place to post this but, im taking lipoex pills now, i cant find anything about them online, these things any good?

[–]brotz 0 points1 point ago

What is it supposed to do? What is(are) the active ingredient(s)?

[–]goodguyc 1 point2 points ago

75mg caffeine, 43mg green tea, 5mg yohimbine, 5mg albuterol , 1 mg meridia, suppost to help me lose weight , iam losing but my diet and exercise are great. It was like 65 for the bottle, just not sure if its working or if its just the diet.

[–]brotz 0 points1 point ago

The component ingredients seem to all have some science behind them. Most of those things can be looked up on examine.com or you can google them for specifics. I don't know how many doses are in that bottle, but you might be able to get more bang for your buck buying specific supplements. This looks like they are throwing a bunch of stuff into a pill and hoping for the best. With a prepackaged product like that you're usually buying a lot of hype and marketing with your money.

[–]goodguyc 1 point2 points ago

thanks for the help! appreciated

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus -1 points0 points ago

That seems very overpriced but all the ingredients are effective for weight loss.

[–]panfist 0 points1 point ago

Do I need to supplement beta-alanine on rest days? Or do I need to supplement it as much? The directions on Optimum Nutrition beta-alanine say to take one scoop in the morning, and one in the afternoon or before workouts every day.

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 0 points1 point ago

You don't have to, but it's similar to creatine in that it has health benefits outside of making you stronger even at low doses (1-2g). If you want to save some money though, you could definitely take less on rest days.

[–]very_nice_how_much 0 points1 point ago

Herbalife24 Prepare - It has a little caffeine, a little creatine monohydrate and, BCAAs and some essentials. I don't like the feeling of jack3d or NOXplode so this works well for me.

I want something to get me going but I don't like feeling like I'm going to yack so this fits the bill.

https://www.myherbalife.com/Content/en-US/pdf/Catalog/111123_SKU1414_us_label.pdf

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

200mg caffeine, 12.5-25mg ephedrine, 5-6tbsp table sugar, 1/4-1 tsp aniracetam. I swear it does something in addition to the obvious stimulation, although how much is a result of placebo, I don't know, and I don't care.

[–]very_nice_how_much 0 points1 point ago

So I guess the point of working out isn't to get healthy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Nope!

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus -1 points0 points ago

Holy shit, if you're consuming that much sugar have you ever considered just having 2-3 bananas instead or something? Similar glucose:fructose ratio as table sugar, but also with a bunch of electrolytes/vitamins that can help with your workout (magnesium, potassium, a bunch of B-vitamins).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

It should've actually been tsp. I couldn't remember whether the serving size was in tbsp or tsp, and I just checked. Anyway, I'll give the banana route a try and see if I like it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

If my end goal is to get faster on the bike (15 hr/week cardio with lifting in the winter), what are the most effective supplements I can take, if any?

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus -1 points0 points ago

Faster in short distance or long distance?

Whey protein for both
Creatine for short distance
Beta-alanine for long distance (and also a tiny bit short distance)
Carnitine isn't bad for either (LCLT and GPLC specifically have been shown to have the greatest benefit but are also the most expensive).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

You, sir, are amazing. Thanks!

Carnitine... interesting. I reverse-engineered a powder drink for my long (4+ hour) rides and Carnitine is one of the ingredients:

  • Maltodextrin
  • Soy protein isolate
  • Calcium Citrate
  • Choline Bitartrate
  • L-Carnitine
  • L-Carnosine

Any of these silly/superficial/useless? It's basically food in a bottle (malto + soy protein) -- I do two scoops of this in a bottle and I don't need to feed at all during the ride. My only complaint: very chalky.

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 0 points1 point ago

Beta-Alanine + Histidine turns into L-Carnosine so you've already got that covered too =D

Recommendations: I'm a bigger fan of whey protein than soy protein (it's got trypsin inhibitors in it).

I don't really see calcium citrate being all that necessary if you're eating habits are fine the rest of the day (also whey protein contains a decent amount of calcium). For the maltodextrin, if you have the time to blend stuff I'd consider swapping out half of it for a banana (so if you use 60g of dextrose, swap out 30g of it for 30g of carbs from a banana). Some fructose can also be important during exercise, and bananas also have magnesim and potassium which are important during rides.

I'd dose Choline Citrate instead of Bitartrate next time around as it is has better absorbability and the taste is a bit better (although it smells worse).

For L-Carnitine I think this is important: I'd say don't exceed 1.5g/hour (and maybe even 1g/hour), because too much can actually be detrimental to performance.

One thing that I'd consider adding (maybe?) is Taurine which gets depleted during long bouts of exercise from muscle tissue, and also helps keep balance of electrolytes such as magnesium and potassium (it also helps slightly with fatigue). You could add 0.5-1.5g/hour and see if that helps you at all. It's also pretty cheap (500g for $9 or 1000g for $14 at smartpowders), so that won't be an issue. But it's by no means a necessity, either.

How's your intake of sodium as well? That can definitely be important during longer bouts of exercise, consider adding in a tiny bit of salt into your shake if you don't add in some already (0.5-1g/hour seems like a decent amount... although definitely don't overdo it).

Dropping the calcium citrate and switching to whey protein might definitely help with the chalkiness. Also the bananas will probably help with the taste too.

Oh also make sure to track your zinc intake during the day as it's often lost in sweat (and many endurance athletes are deficient as a result), and make sure you're getting enough during the day.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago*

Awesome information. I'll consult this comment next time I mix up a batch. Just FYI, here are the amounts of each ingredient:

Single Serving (mg)

  • Calcium 42

  • Sodium 220

  • Choline Bitartrate 50

  • L-Carnitine 50

  • L-Carnosine 100

  • Maltodextrin 68

  • Soy protein isolate 10

I typically will mix this "go juice" + 1 scoop of electrolyte powder to cover sodium + flavor

The key for this is to elicit a "slow burn," so I can burn ~3000 calories on a ride and not bonk/run out of glycogen. Every 15 minutes I'll take a sip of this and then a swig of water from my other bottle. I'll try blending a banana and only do one scoop vs. two and see how I feel!

Again, thanks!

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[–]IKWYL 1 point2 points ago

I don't know much about Xtend, but I took it for about a month at the beginning of last semester and all it really did for me was act as an advanced Gatorade. If it's energy you're lacking get on a pre workout like No Explode, Jack3d or White Flood. I'm pretty exhausted after a full day of classes and if I didn't have a pre workout for those days the gym would just be a miserable. I'm not saying you need to get on a pre workout, but they definitely help with things like energy levels.

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[–]keflexxx 0 points1 point ago

as it should bro. not even once.

[–]IKWYL 0 points1 point ago

I feel where you're coming from bro. In high school I was completely anti-supplements, but once I got to college I started taking a pre-workout, then I started taking a protein supplement and now a creatine supplement on top of the jack3d. I'm not entirely educated on creatine, but taking it has definitely helped with recovery time and strength regarding my lifts. The only negative side effects I've really had are muscle cramps when I don't get enough water, other than that I'm golden. Everyone has their own fitness goals and their own ways of accomplishing such goals, supplements just make the path a bit easier.

[–]four_word_letter 0 points1 point ago

I use ACG3, anyone else have experience with this? I've never used another pre-workout so I have nothing to compare it to. I've heard it's very similar to jack3d, assualt, etc.

[–]kvg87 0 points1 point ago

I currently use Assault as a preworkout (usually 30-45 mins before I go to the gym). I've tried 1MR and Jack3d as well, but I found I really didnt like the effects of DMAA. In addition to caffeine, it's got a good portion of creatine and beta alanine, as well as some other ingredients that definitely improve my longevity.

[–]king_m1k3 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, I just switched to Craze instead of HemoRage because the DMAA was getting to me. It was still helping in the gym but making me very irritable and making it hard to sleep. I've only taken the Craze once so far so I can't really judge it yet, but how do you like Assault?

[–]kvg87 0 points1 point ago

It's the best PWO i've tried. To be honest I've been really satisfied with all of Muscle Pharm's products so far.

I just looked up Craze, I'm pretty sure it's more intense than assault, so if you're content with Craze i'd stick with that :)

[–]fr0zen_yetti 0 points1 point ago

I started back into lifting about 3 weeks ago and I am lacking endurance. I play a lot of basketball, something to the tune of 4-7 times a week for 3 years now. Before working out I did not have a lot of energy problems, now I am struggling and not as fast on the court because I feel so winded.

What is my problem and will a supplement help me?

[–]NotTheZombies 0 points1 point ago

Just wondering if anyone has suggestions for a good creatine supplement preferably one that also has beta-alanine in it.

Right now I take Cellucor C4 (Pre-workout) and BSN Cellmass XT (Post-workout) which both have creatine.

[–]goblomi 0 points1 point ago*

I use super pump 250 mixed in with glutamine and half dose of creatine. I find it impossible to not go to the gym and bust my ass to burn off all the energy super pump gives me. Creatine and glutamine seem to really help with strength and recovery.

On a side note, the super pump occasionally causes diarrhea shortly after.

[–]GATechAE07Running, Weightlifting (Intermediate) 1 point2 points ago

After working through a tub of Jack3d, I decided to make my own pre-workout blend based on advice in /r/supplements.

  • 1 Scoop Scivation Xtend BCAA

  • 5g Creatine

  • 5g Beta Alanine

  • 2g ALCAR

  • 2g L-Tyrosine

  • 2g Choline Citrate

I usually train fasted, so I mainly take the BCAA's for muscle preservation. The Beta Alanine and Choline have helped immensely with my focus while lifting, and the ALCAR/Tyrosine are just something new I'm trying. I'm switching routines in a few weeks and will be adding a dextrose/whey shake peri-workout to promote muscle growth, but have been happy with this pre-workout mix so far.

[–]flictonic 0 points1 point ago*

Has anyone used Hemo Rage? I've used Jack3d in the past and I'm currently using White Flood.

I think I will continue to use White Flood on most days and just save a DMAA PWO for harder workouts or days that I am especially tired.

Hemo Rage is considerably cheaper than Jack3d so I was thinking about switching. The ingredients are pretty much the same but what about proportions? The scoop/serving sizes are different, what would be Hemo Rage equivalent to 2 scoops of Jack3d? Would it be reasonable to assume that I could reuse the Jack3d scooper with Hemo Rage and get a similar effect per scoop?

Now, to answer the question, I use the PWO mostly for the stimulant. In all honesty, unless it's a DMAA product, I could probably just take a caffeine pill and get most of the effect. Psychologically though, I view my PWO as a ritual. I stop working at 5:30 and sip my PWO at my desk until 5:45 while I get myself in the mindset to go to the gym. I look forward to this time and would probably continue doing it even if it had no effect on my workout.

[–]king_m1k3 0 points1 point ago

I just stopped using Hemo Rage because I didn't like the effects of the DMAA anymore. I'd compare it to Jack3d though, saying maybe it's even stronger. As for dosing, it's plastered with warnings all over (that look like marketing hype tbh) that says do not take more than 1 scoop. 1 scoop got me going.

[–]zibiduahRowing, Weightlifting (Intermediate) 0 points1 point ago

Another DAA user here: I dug up all the older threads and I think I more or less put together a standard stack:

  • 3g DAA
  • 100 mg zinc and 500-600 mg resveratrol (aromatase inhibitor)
  • 50 mg vitamin B6 (dopamine booster)
  • Eat lots of broccoli/cabbage/onions/leeks/white mushrooms (2x servings a day)

The plan is to cycle DAA two weeks on, two weeks off, staggering the other supplements by one week (so first week only DAA, second both, third only other supplements, fourth off), for a total of twelve weeks.

Aside from your (very welcome) general comments on the above, I would like to know if there's any reason I should take the DAA and the other stuff separately, or if I can take it all in the morning before (fasted) training.

Also, would you say extending the on periods is risky or can I do 2 on/2 off/3 on/2 off/3 on/2 off/2 on/2 off?

Thanks (and btw examine.com is awesome)

[–]Rainymood_XI 1 point2 points ago

I'm a healthy (or so I think) young lad, 17 years old. I'm currently taking this:

  • 2 capsules fish-oil every morning
  • 1 capsule (5,000 iu) vit-d3
  • 50 mg zinc in tablet form as zinc gluconate

Is there anything I should add/remove or is this fine?

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 1 point2 points ago

Why such a high dose of zinc? Gluconate is quite a good chelation if you take it with a meal, you might be getting more than you need with that dose.

[–]Rainymood_XI 0 points1 point ago

I just bought zinc from the same brand that I have my fish oil and vit-D from (NOW foods)

[–]MeanWeen 1 point2 points ago

20 minutes before leaving for the gym:

  • 300mg of caffeine
  • A shake with 3tbsp of sugar and 2 scoops of whey protein. I drink 1/3 of that and top it off with more water.

The rest of the shake is a peri-workout drink. I don't know if the 1/3 of the shake before the workout helps or not, but I usually haven't eaten in hours when I go train and I like to think that it helps.

The sugar was at the recommendation of Silverhydra. It's helped immensely, but I think 3tbsp might be more than what I burn off with my workouts.

[–]haywoodjb 0 points1 point ago

What was the reasoning behind adding the sugar?

[–]MeanWeen 0 points1 point ago

Energy in the gym. From September to thanksgiving I was recomping and frequently ran out of energy at the gym. The sugar let me get out a couple of extra sets on all of my exercises. The first day I did it still stands as one of my best OHP days ever.

I don't use it when I'm bulking. Somewhere, 'hydra mentioned that when you're cutting, workout nutrition (this shake) is a godsend, whereas the closer you get to full out bulking the less necessary it is. I haven't NOT used sugar during a recomp/cutting cycle since I started. It's just too cheap and I haven't burnt out in the first 3 sets of exercise since I started.

[–]colonel_mortimer 0 points1 point ago

For (re)fueling for endurance events (marathon, olympic tri) I've been relying mostly on Accelerade for a drink, and eating Gu and that sort of thing.

I found True Nutrition in one of these threads a while back and was wondering what kind of ratios would approximate something like Accelerade, or if there were maybe some other blends worth trying for endurance training. I saw Silverhydra posted a muscular endurance blend, but wasn't sure if that was missing anything (sodium, potassium, etc?) or possibly included some things I don't need (too much protein, other supplements?).

Has anyone had experience with this?

[–]Tanq 1 point2 points ago

Has anyone had any expirience with Lean Xtreme or any other cortisol blockers? Are they effective? I'm looking to get rid of some stubborn belly fat.

[–]RacemicArchery, Weightlifting 1 point2 points ago

I'm still in the beginning phase of things and I'm just trying to get stronger. I'm pretty new to the supplement game, as I've only had vitamins/fish oil/whey protein so far. So, I don't really want to have like 10 supplements each day, but maybe 2-3 before workout and then 2-3 after workout seems okay for now.

What would you guys recommend if I could have 2-3 before and 2-3 after? I already have those things I stated above, plus I have tons of coffee, which I am totally down to have.

[–]christophbeatty 0 points1 point ago

MULTI VITAMINS and MAGNESIUM.

[–]NashvilleNerd 0 points1 point ago*

I've been taking TTA and yohimbine in the morning, which seems to work well together, especially since I fast until noon.

I'm moving my workouts to the morning, will taking a whey/water shake in the morning affect the effectiveness of the TTA/yohimbine?

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 0 points1 point ago

I don't think they would; amino acids (although they spike insulin) aren't usually potent enough to inihibit fat oxidation during exercise.

[–]trojandan 0 points1 point ago

I really like Beta-cret, the new pre-workout from Con-Cret's producers. I find it to be less of a caffeine driven high and more of a mental and physical focus. I would say when I was more of an amateur I certainly loved all of the caffeine overdose pre-workouts like 1MR, Superpump, Shotgun, etc... but I'd say I've grown out of the 'baby kicking' crazy pump feeling. For a while I would just take a caffeine pill and 2 geranium pills, the geranium was great for focus and really helped to release the oxygen into my muscles, you can actually feel the oxygen and CO2 levels combatting each other and your skin & fingers start to tingle... but it definitely works wonders for me.

I know the caffeine based pre-workouts are highly effective anyways because the caffiene allows your muscle tissues to open more and push harder.

[–]lancen23 0 points1 point ago

Any impressions on "ON Amino Energy"? http://www.supplementscanada.com/amino_energy_fruit_fusion_optimum_nutrition_270_grams.html

I tried it in a free sample I got and liked it, anyone use it regularily?

[–]RiftOfBelief 0 points1 point ago

The pre-workouts I've used have been NO-Shotgun(stacked with NO-Synthsize), SuperPump250(stacked with Size-ON), Jack3d, and currently White Flood.

SuperPump250 gave me more energy than NO-Shotgun but not as much of the pump. Jack3d and White Flood fall in between the two. I'm exactly sure which I prefer though.

I like taking a pre-workout to make sure I have the energy I want throughout my workout. The past few workouts I've switched my protein/BCAA intake. I take protein from BodyBuilding.com's own brand that has BCAA in it. I use to take 2 scoops of protein following my workout but then I would feel not as hungry when I went home to eat, which is a problem because I want to eat more than I already do. Now, after 30 minutes after my pre-workout I drink one scoop of the protein and after my workout I drink one scoop. I've felt a little stronger in my lifts and now don't feel bloated after my post-workout drink.

[–]indiecore 0 points1 point ago

I got some free 1MR last time I ordered some protein and I tried it and it tasted terrible. I think my workout went a little easier than usual but no huge difference.

I usually just down a shake, a caffeine pill and some taurine pre-workout.

[–]kingseven 0 points1 point ago

Are there any effective supplements that help with concentration/mental focus?

[–]yeahgreg 0 points1 point ago

I have a slightly off-topic question, but does taking omega-3 right after a meal help reduce an insulin spike? My roommate made this claim yesterday, and he usually is right about those things, but I figure I'd get an honest answer on fittit.

Also, if true, would someone mind explaining why it does? Thanks!

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 0 points1 point ago

Doubt it

Above study looked at meals supplemented with fish oil, found little to no differences.

Not too many studies looking at acute insulin/glucose spikes (most are long term), but it appears to have the same effect as most fats do in regards to insulin.

There was a study done on horses, but aside from them being horses the dose was incredibly large and not what humans would dare consider taking (without, you know, hemorrhaging....)

[–]Timus 0 points1 point ago

Is 1-2g of ALCAR a day safe to take without an AOX like R-ALA? At what limits is it safe without using ALA (less than 4g/day?)?

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] -1 points0 points ago

In all honesty, I am going to be looking more intently into this soon. At first I was all like 'they need to be paired' and then I was like 'Lol, hormesis'.

Don't worry much about it for now, I'll try to get a more definitive answer soon.

[–]ehnde 0 points1 point ago

A bodybuilding coworker takes a beef liver supplement (pill form), and I've been able to find very little information on it. Opinions?

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 1 point2 points ago

Its, nutritionally, very similar to human liver. Great source of iron and vitamin A (and those two compounds are not the best to have 'great sources of' in excess) but also dense in amino acids.

If he is taking it 'because the pros did' back in the day, just tell him to get some BCAAs. BCAAs are like beef liver tabs except without the risk to your liver from excessive vitamin A and iron levels.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

Pre workout/intra workout nutrition has literally been a life changer in my lifting. I tried eating prior to training..however, it never really felt the best. I always enjoyed fasted training..switched to LG. Now, I am taking white flood, choline,creatine, and BCAAs pre/intra workout. I have endurance to go through my workouts, don't feel fatigued, feel super focused, and in general just good. This along with proper nutrition after training has been the best decision I have ever made. Also has assisted me while being on a calorie deficit on my diet..still making gains, still losing fat.

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 0 points1 point ago

o/

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

\o all thanks to your assistance!

[–]AHSfav 0 points1 point ago

I have a couple of questions regarding Green Tea and EGCG: For the past couple of months I've been drinking about 3-4 cups of Green Tea per day and really like how it makes me feel and how it tastes. However, according to the examine.com page about Green Tea EGCG you need "significant effects in humans are noted only at high doses, such as 400-500mg EGCG equivalent per day." whereas a single cup of green tea only has approximately 50 mg ECGC. So I'm thinking of taking a EGCG supplement in addition to upping my amount of Green Tea cups that I drink per day. Has anyone had success with this? Also, can anybody recommend a EGCG supplement brand? Can anybody recommend a bulk source of good tasting/high quality Green Tea online? Thanks for all of your help

[–]Hellnation 0 points1 point ago

The only one I have tried was Jack3d. I went and had a physical fitness test before my work out after I took jack3d. The lady told my my blood pressure was though the roof. Told me not to work out that day I could die. I took my blood pressure again not on the jack3d it is high, but not like when I was on jack3d.

I am looking for a replacement do you have any suggestions? (something that won't kill me)

[–]seeindiamonds 0 points1 point ago

If I take fish oil, is it ok to take a couple of them at the same time or should I take them throughout the day for more benefit??

[–]cyanarella 0 points1 point ago

Split it up....

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 0 points1 point ago

My formula is changing all the time, mainly because I'm an idiot. This most recent switch is because I'm too lazy to make customized sleep aids for family/friends so I just made mine the same as there and had to adjust some stuff in my pre-workout as a result.


Preworkout 1 (45 minutes of LISS while watching an episode of Doctor Who): 2 scoops of Xtend, fat burning stack, teaspoon coconut oil

I'm not a huge fan of the fat burning stack though because I don't like stims... will discontinue after BTFC)


Pre-workout 2: 3g Beta-Alanine, 3g Citrulline, 2g Creatine, 0.5g GPLC, 0.5g LCLT, 0.25g ALCAR, 1.25g MSM, 1.25g Taurine, 0.75g Alpha-GPC, 0.75g Inositol, 0.5g Tyrosine, 125mg NAC, 125mg Theanine (14g total, costs about $1)

Also taken pre-workout: 2 scoops whey, 1 cup milk, 1 banana, 1 cup water, sometimes a teaspoon of peanut butter and mangoes/blueberries

Pills/drops: 750mg Aniracetam, 240mg CoQ10, 0.5mg Vitamin K, 2mg K2 MK4, 1 cap ZMA, 4000IU Vit D, 10mg PQQ (PQQ every other day because it's expensive), 4mg Astaxanthin (same as half a pound of fish), 50mg Vitamin E tocotrienol (same as in 50g of barley or half a pound of oats/rice)

9 pills, 4 drops (D3/K2)I keep them in a pill box and just toss them back with food and then drink my shake during the workout.


Pre-sleep (generalized formula so my family can take it too):

1.5g Old Xtend (providing 1mg B6), 0.75g Glycine, 0.75g Inositol, 0.75g MSM, 0.75g Taurine, 0.5g Alpha-GPC, 0.5g Citrulline, 0.25g GPLC, 125mg Grape Seed Extract, 125mg Theanine, 0.1mg Melatonin (crush one 3mg pill into a month's supply) (6g total, costs about $0.50)

I add in the Xtend for the flavour and for the B6 (family members too lazy to take ZMA at night too, I take a cap myself), and the Citrulline/Glycine are sort of fillers and sort of helpful (Glycine promotes relaxation, and Citrulline might increase growth hormone at night).


I know that looks complicated as hell to some of you, but mixing everything takes like 1-2 hours/month and really what I do is:

"fat loss pills in the morning when I wake up + teaspoon coconut oil + ton of water" (and I'm stopping this part after April 1)

"2 scoops Xtend pre-bike + Doctor Who"

"vegetables (broccoli, mushrooms, onions) + coconut oil + pound some pills"

"protein shake + 2 scoops pre-workout pre-lifting + (sometimes) HIIT"

"eat some foods (maybe another protein shake, some fish, some eggs, maybe some rice on the side)"

"Scoop of sleep aid + one cap ZMA before teg sleeps"

Which literally takes like 5-10 minutes out of my day on the supps; including blending the protein shake, mixing all the powders once a month, and filling my pill boxes once a week. Have I noticed any benefit from this? I dunno, I don't get sick, I never feel sore (even when I accidentally only 1000 calories), I can eat like absolute shit a few times a week and not get fatter, and if it weren't for my serious fuckarounditis and not sticking to a program, I'd probably be kinda strong and kinda fast too. But I'm generally in good health despite my half-dozen medical problems.


TL;DR: Cool story, bro.

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 0 points1 point ago

You do like to overcomplicate things...

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 0 points1 point ago

I've been trying to simplify =(. Pretty soon I'm gonna switch all the Carnitine to just straight GPLC

I can't wait til this whole supplement company business starts and all the formulas are pre-mixed, and the "multi" I make is just 6 of the same pill (split into day/night doses and will be colored as such). But that's not gonna be for like another 10-15 years =(

Oh also: I'm an idiot and have decided to change the shampoo yet again. So, keeping coconut oil in the conditioner, but switching to liquid lecithin in the shampoo.

Shampoo:
75% Avalon, 7.5% Arginine, 7.5% Lecithin (liquid), 5% MSM, 2.5% LCLT, 2% Taurine, 0.4% CoQ10, 0.1% Tocotrienol (by weight it's 100g total per 400ml shampoo)

Conditioner:
75% Avalon, 20% Coconut Oil, 2.5% MSM, 2% Taurine, 0.4% CoQ10, 0.1% Tocotrienol (100g, 400ml conditioner)

The reason for the switch to lecithin in the shampoo part is because it's probably a better emulsifier for the coq10 and tocotrienol. Also a lot of home remedies for strengthening hair have always used egg yolk as an ingredient, so I figure they might have been on to something in that regard.

[–]silverhydraMythical Serpent of Supplementation[S] 1 point2 points ago

I'm just going to say a few things:

  • You + Hair related stuff = Nutritional ADHD. Its a good thing

  • LCLT > GPLC in the shampoo, why?

  • Examine got sexy new in-article headers, makes stuff much easier on the eyes although it is sort of dependent on subheaders now. Might want to add some subheaders to the Vitamin D page

  • Also, the habit of one citation per line on the Vitamin D page makes it look like it was written by a Gill-bot :P

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 0 points1 point ago

Heh, yeah for the Vit D page I went on a study by study basis when adding stuff in... I should really get around to formatting/adding stuff, especialy now that Sol updated it. The rubric adding is such a daunting task though, and I have terrible organizational/wording skills at times. I think I might add it, and maybe Sol can make everything sound less retarded...

LCLT worked in vitro and there's been no trials on GPLC... also anything that can potentially increase NGF in the hair can be potentially detrimental, I know ALCAR does which is why it's out and why LCLT is in

I'm not sure if GPLC would be a better idea than LCLT though? But until there's more info available I figure just go with the LCLT because it's a little bit cheaper and there's actually some evidence to show it might work. I mean it might very well be better, but why mess with a good thing until then, right?

[–]djduni 1 point2 points ago

What is in your diet pill? Just ended a winter bulk, I have half a bottle of OEP lying around...

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 1 point2 points ago

As of right now: 500mg Taurine, 250mg Caffeine, 250mg Cissus, 250mg Forskolin, 250mg MSM, 250mg NAC, 250mg TTA, 125mg EGCG, 125mg Grape Seed Extract, 125mg Tyrosine, 100mg Theanine, 15mg R-ALA, 10mg Yohimbine + 24mg Ephedrine on the side + teaspoon coconut oil.

Some of the ingredient might be useless in the amounts I take them or aren't really beneficial for weight loss (MSM, NAC, Tyrosine, R-ALA), some are there just to prevent negative problems from Ephedrine/Caffeine (Taurine, Theanine), and some are pretty underdosed (Cissus, TTA, maybe even EGCG and GSE).

The most important ingredients are the ECY and probably the forskolin for weight loss (and marginally the EGCG and GSE). The most important ingredient to prevent negative health consequences is probably the Taurine.

Honestly I wouldn't add half of these ingredients if I didn't have them just lying around and said "meh, why not".

[–]djduni 1 point2 points ago

Ok so you capped this formula yourself? Of course you did, I'm talkin to Herms. I have the taurine, tyrosine, GSE, and R-ALA, all of which I take preworkout and in greater quantity. Theanine before bed. I guess I should just bite the bullet and find some ephedrine, and forskolin can be acquired easily enough. Thanks for the breakdown homie.

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 1 point2 points ago

np, buddy.

Oh for what it's worth taking R-ALA close to your workout might not be the best idea (some antioxidants can reduce the adaptation to exercise). I don't know if that's true of R-ALA specifically though, so you might be fine... but if you wanna be safe, maybe dose farther away from your workout than you are now?

[–]djduni 1 point2 points ago

I also take ALCAR, creatine, and beta alanine PWO. So can I rest easy taking the r-ala later if I am taking the ALCAR PWO?

[–]herman_gillUncomfortable Truthasaurus 1 point2 points ago

I think silvy's doing an article on ALCAR/ALA soon as he's been looking into it a bit right now. He said ALA might not really be necessary alongside ALCAR.

[–]FLYBOY611 0 points1 point ago

Two scoops of whey, 5 grams of creatine a little bit of cold coffee all mixed together in a glass of milk! It gives me the go power I need.

[–]Moshiach 0 points1 point ago

I have a half question/recommendation regarding L-Arginine, Citrulline, and Arginine ethyl ester (LAE).

I've experimented with all of these and Citrulline should be the more potent of the three, but for whatever reason the LAE has a much larger effect with the same dosage, I can only comment from my own anecdotal experience in that it gets you a bigger "pump" in the gym and my vascularity goes way up for the next several hours, whether this results in increased long term hypertrophy I can't comment, but it's definitely a more enjoyable workout with it, and at about 20c per serve where I get it I recommend it.

If anyone can theorize why I'm getting a better effect with LAE I'd like to hear it.

[–]DJZoomskiBarefoot Running, Weight Lifting 0 points1 point ago

Preworkout: MP Assault Arctic Blue. 1/2 scoop for cardio. Full scoop for lifting.

Postworkout: Syntha 6 Mocha with water and Infinite Labs L-Glutamine. Sometimes mix a raw egg in if I'm feeling hardcore.

Meal Replacement: Smoothie consisting of either spinach or kale, some berries, banana, flaxseed, hempseed, and water. Other ingrediants from time to time as well, but those are my regulars.

Took me nearly 2 months to find what I liked, but that is it. Might swap out Assault and Syntha flavors, but I am loving the results from those three staples of my nutrition.

Also take a cheap multivitamin, 2 fish/flax pills, and a B12 complex pill every day. Will change up those as the doc suggests.

[–]Dynastee 0 points1 point ago

Does anyone recommend any supplements for body weighted workouts/cardio?

[–]cyanarella 1 point2 points ago

Supermax Pre Workout, Black Coffee, Athletic Greens, Xtend, Whey, Cassien, green tea, Cod Liver Oil.....