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[–]barehandhunter 2238 points2239 points ago*

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The answer is yes, although I suspect you underestimate the power and lightening-fast reflexes of a wolf. As someone who's had direct experience with captured and hybrid wolves, I can tell you that unless you've been in the presence of one of these animals -- particularly a healthy adult gray -- you simply cannot understand the beast's incredible strength and destructive potential.

That said, canines, like many other large predators, have a particular vulnerability which can be exploited with greater and lesser degrees of success by humans. Nature has designed feral canines, mentally and physically, to attack fleeing prey using mouth structures specifically configured to keep bitten animals from pulling away. However, they have no physiological mechanism for preventing an object from being 'pushed into' their mouths and throats.

The recommended survival technique for an attacking 'domesticated' dog (extrapolation is necessary, for obvious reasons) is to offer the forearm, then use the free arm to secure the back of the animal's head. The legs are then wrapped around the canine's torso and the animal rolled onto its back. Ordinarily a dog will, at this point, attempt to dislodge the forearm from its mouth and get back to its feet. With proper resolve, the animal can be held in place and the bitten arm shifted so that a fist can be pushed into the dog's throat and esophagus. With only a few inches insertion, respiration can be profoundly restricted, causing the dog to expire within 30 seconds to a minute.

I'll do another post soon on how to properly field dress, skin, and prepare a dog for eating.

[–]OnyxAcre 1324 points1325 points ago

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... Dwight? Is that you?

[–]WikiSaya 260 points261 points ago

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[–]calicocelot 72 points73 points ago

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"In the end, the greatest snowball isn't a snowball at all. It's fear. Merry Christmas." -- DKS

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points ago

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... Thank you...

[–]gh057 485 points486 points ago

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FACT

[–]Clumpy 253 points254 points ago

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Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

Actually, Dwight is a humorous combination of survival skill-savvy and utterly inept nerd. I wonder if he'd really know how to take care of a wolf.

[–]khamul 115 points116 points ago

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Yes, he would know how to take care of a wolf but he'd be completely unable to actually execute those measures.

[–]fuzzyfuzz 29 points30 points ago

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I had a friend that reminded me of Dwight. A bunch of us were practicing Wing Chun and he was standing there watching us. After a while we told him to join us and we'd teach him the first form. He told us that he was ok learning by watching us, and that he was getting better at martial arts from just watching us. Dude was like 70 pounds overweight too.

[–]hearwa 60 points61 points ago

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I think he was wise. First step to getting better at "martial arts": don't practice wing chun.

[–]movinforward 55 points56 points ago

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In the wild, there is no health care. In the wild, health care is, "Ow, I hurt my leg. I can't run. A lion eats me and I'm dead." Well, I'm not dead. I'm the lion, you're dead.

[–]antipeoplemachine 232 points233 points ago

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I have been in several fights with stray/wild dogs in South East Asia, a few in packs and a few one-on-one. One of the most difficult parts about fighting dogs is that they are extremely fast. They are masters of baiting and feinting. Just when you think you've lined up a kick to the face, the dog has retreated and another one is moving in from another side. Even if it's a single dog, attacking the air can be quite tiring and allows the dog can move in when you fuck up. Some dogs are braver than others. I imagine (with little to no factual evidence to back me up) that a wolf would be braver than most dogs and if I ever encountered one I would expect to get bit. But, I would also expect to survive.

[–]ConsideredAllThings 120 points121 points ago

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Are you training for a Bloodsport competition or something?

[–]okayplayer 60 points61 points ago

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He's filming the new movie with Tony Ja, you know, Ong Bark.

[–]polymorph505 27 points28 points ago

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You Jackson? You look like a Jackson!

[–]aznegglover 35 points36 points ago

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masters of baiting

Teehee.

[–]Geostygma 63 points64 points ago

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I imagine (with little to no factual evidence to back me up) that a wolf would be braver than most dogs

Actually, most theories about how wolves evolved into dogs center around the idea that the first wolves to coexist with humans were the ones who were less fearful of humans. These wolves were more willing to encroach on the boundaries of human settlements to scavenge for scraps, etc. and were eventually taken in and bred into dogs. Because the braver ones evolved into dogs, I would guess that dogs are actually more willing to fight humans than wolves.

[–]Hristix 96 points97 points ago

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Wolves will avoid humans at all costs unless they're starving and there is more than one. Or if the wolf has rabies. In the case of rabies, there's a 10% chance you'll die of rabies anyway if you have to offer your forearm and let it gnaw on it while you kill it. Even the post-exposure prophylaxis won't be 100% effective with such a massive dose.

Wolves, as awesome as they are, are pack animals. They didn't get to the top of the food chain by attacking everything. They attack only what they need to survive, and they pick their targets carefully.

Dogs are different story. They've lived with humans for so long that we aren't a mystery to them anymore. They'll express territoriality, protect people they like, etc. Those two things are responsible for most dog attacks. Step near a dog's lawn? That's a bite. Hug the dog's owner if it doesn't know you? That's a bite.

In the end, you're MUCH more likely to be attacked by a regular dog than a wolf simply because of their behavior.

[–]p8balla89 39 points40 points ago

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You're much more likely to be attacked by a regular dog than a wolf simply because there are millions of dogs around the world and less than 1/4 million wolves in the world.

[–]frnak 75 points76 points ago

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Ahh ok so I just push my fist down its throat... thanks \dusts potato chip crumbs off t-shirt**

[–]depanneur 243 points244 points ago

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TIL how to kill a wolf with my bare hands

[–]TheAughtSpectrum 53 points54 points ago

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There is a similar way to kill a bear as well. I think one or two people have killed bears with their bear hands.

[–]grimitar 173 points174 points ago

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[–]Evil_Dud 80 points81 points ago

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Jesus Christ, I hope they have Petersen's beachball-sized testicles in the next display case.

[–]SwampySoccerField 152 points153 points ago

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We call them North and South Dakota.

[–]zebrake2010 30 points31 points ago

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They are on loan to the mining industry as the prototype & standard measurement for brass balls.

[–]turtal46 27 points28 points ago

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[–]Mendozozoza 22 points23 points ago

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no, they killed the bears with their man hands.

[–]MistakerPointerOuter 309 points310 points ago

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I can't tell if this is serious or a novelty account. So instead of expressing an opinion, have an upvote.

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[–]karlthebaer 89 points90 points ago

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I'll just put this here.

[–]ryansullivan 77 points78 points ago

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its throat

[–]jlks 45 points46 points ago

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But if the fist cannot be lodged down the wolf's throat, grab a nearby misused apostrophe, (you'll find them everywhere) and stab blindly until the raging beast is subdued.

[–]BrotherJayne 102 points103 points ago

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He is absolutely serious.

Except the bit about field dressing, it's the same as pretty much anyother mid sized critter.

[–]nixonrichard 503 points504 points ago

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He's serious, but he's wrong. You don't ever want to wrestle with a canine unless you are already on the ground.

1) offer the forearm (correct)

2) wrap the other arm around the dog (correct)

3) adjust the arm in the dog's mouth to suffocate the animal (incorrect)

The purpose of offering the forearm is to place a part of your body that is easy for the dog to bite but has a low risk of serious injury from a dog bite. The forearm is excellent for this purpose, but it should be noted that the forearm will be seriously lacerated after the dog bites. The risk of injury to the ulnar artery is too great shifting your fist to the dog's mouth. ALWAYS keep your hands and wrists away from the dog's mouth.

There is no need to shift your arm after the dog has latched on, and there is no reason to suffocate the dog. With the dog latched onto your forearm and your other arm wrapped around the dog's back, it's very easy (even for a person of moderate strength) to push the dog's head back and break its neck.

[–][deleted] 294 points295 points ago

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Shit, WHO DO I BELIEVE?

[–]Wisedome 707 points708 points ago

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I got a canine attached to my forearm. I need answers now!

[–]emgeemann 76 points77 points ago

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Pick one, let us know which, try it, and come back and let us know if it worked! If you never respond, we'll know to stick with the other.

[–]Wisedome 325 points326 points ago

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Al right. I'm going for the OH GOD THERE IS ANOTHER ONE

[–]ngroot 184 points185 points ago

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Clever girl.

[–]dcfennell 70 points71 points ago

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RIP Clever girl.

[–]terrifiedsleeptwitch 70 points71 points ago

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J.G. Wentworth is right! It's MY FOREARM, and I want it NOW!

[–]krasnaya55 34 points35 points ago

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quick make a decision meow!

[–]pc1618 11 points12 points ago

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Just to be safe, I'd trust Nixon.

[–]P_ro 27 points28 points ago

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A guy at a wolf sanctuary told me that the jaws of a wolf are much more powerful than that of any domestic dog. They exert somewhere around 1500 psi. Anyway, this allows them to crush and break most bones. I don't know how well offering a forearm would work out, but it's probably all a person has in a moment like that.

Another interesting thing he pointed out was the dewclaw. Domesticated dog dewclaws are useless. Wolves still use them well. He said they aided the wolf in latching on to prey.

[–]nixonrichard 36 points37 points ago

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But a wolf can't snap a human arm simply by biting down on it. Yes, a wolf's jaws are strong and their teeth can break bones, but in the sense that after the wolf has eaten the flesh off your bones, it can chew them apart and eat out the marrow.

[–]P_ro 72 points73 points ago

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Well, I started to Google wolf bites to find out what kind of damage gets done and found THIS on Urban Dictionary. Ha ha, now I'm distracted.

  1. wolf bite
    The perils of improper wiping. The result feels like a wolf took a bite out of your ass and left a few teeth behind.

  2. Wolf bite

When do friends are double teaming a girl and when one is about to cum he bites the other friends shoulder showing pure hetero-love.

[–]MegaJames32 21 points22 points ago

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ಠ_ಠ

[–]elmanchosdiablos 19 points20 points ago

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The problem I'm picturing is -

Have you ever seen a dog try to pull a toy out of someone's hands? They bite it, then thrash about trying to shake it loose. If a wolf does that to your arm (and it does look like a good way of tearing off some flesh) you're going to have a hard time doing much.

[–]poncythug 21 points22 points ago

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the problem with this strategy is that unlike dogs wolves have a bite force of 1500 lbs/sq inch, that's twice the power of a german shepherd.

[–]nixonrichard 25 points26 points ago

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Yeah, your forearm won't be pretty afterward, but that's the point.

A gnarly forearm is a lot better than a gnarly hand . . . or neck.

[–]Gimli_The_Dwarf 20 points21 points ago

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Oh, I think after this maneuver you won't be having that arm any more. In fact, if you have any prep time at all before attempting this, I'd go ahead and slip the belt around my bicep first to make the tourniquet easier before passing out from blood loss.

[–]wonko221 58 points59 points ago

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oh, you've got a belt? Why didn't you say so?

What you want to do is swing the belt in wide arcs over your head, as fast as you can. Once you start really going, hold your breath for a minute or so. Then exhale/inhale repeatedly, as fast and shallow as you can.

If you do it just right, you'll pass out and won't feel a thing as the wolf eats you.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points ago

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I've read all the comments in this thread and all I have learned is that no one knows what the fuck they're talking about when it comes to wolf murder.

[–]dont_get_it 68 points69 points ago

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"I'll do another post soon on how to properly field dress, skin, and prepare a dog for eating."

Gold. Pure gold. However, there already is a Chinese food subreddit.

[–]autowrecker 26 points27 points ago

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This might be the best strategy for that situation, however, it's much easier said than done.

I attempted this with just a 60-70lb dog. It's been nearly a year, and I still can't quite make a fist. He bit the fuck out of my hand, and everything I knew that I should do was replaced with "Get This Fucking Dog Off Of My Hand, NOW."

[–]_zoso_ 7 points8 points ago

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Ahh, there you see you forgot to stick your free thumb in its butt!

[–]chocopocky 6 points7 points ago

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Would it be easier to snap their necks Call Of Duty style, or am I playing too much video games?

[–]wanderinggoat 5 points6 points ago

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yes

[–]harm0nic 34 points35 points ago

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This is why I love Reddit.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points ago

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*..."He's a barehandhunter and he's O.K.

He sleeps all night and he hunts all day.

He kicks a wolfs' ass, He wears a field dress,

suspenders and... a BRA???*

ಠ_ಠ

[–]Sciencing 84 points85 points ago

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Wikipedia has several very interesting sources related to wolf attacks. Apparently, non-rabid wolves can easily tell armed humans from un-armed humans based on their demeanor. Victims of wolf attack are typically children or women, and they are typically subdued with a concentration of attacks to the face before being dragged off and eaten.

Attacks are also a very individual problem. Typically a wolf that learns to attack humans once will continue to do so frequently until it is killed. Wolves that begin to attack humans only do so after a long period of familiarization with humans (experiences which are non-violent).

These facts lead me to believe that your best shot would be against a wolf that is unfamiliar with humans and thus afraid. You can stand your ground and "act armed" and the wolf will likely be intimidated. However, should this ruse fail, or if this wolf has attacked before, it is less likely to be intimidated and thus you will have to physically subdue the wolf.

The average wolf weighs around 80 lb, but large examples exist up to more than double that. Assuming you encounter an average animal, I think you would have a shot if you knew what to do. I think if this was your first experience fighting a dog-like animal you would likely lose.

[–]pkz 39 points40 points ago

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As someone who lived in wolf territory as a youth i can tell you Sciencing is correct.

I saw many wolves. They feared me more than i feared them. I was never attacked nor was anyone in the area that i ever heard about.

Also they do not always travel in packs. Often splitting up into small groups when hunting. Sometimes they travel alone. One wolf alone will not attack an animal larger than itself unless it is cornered or starving.

On top of that (and this part is mostly speculation), having been attacked twice by large dogs in my early teens i can tell you that when you dont fear them, and dont run or turn away the advantage is to the human. The first dog to attack me i blocked his lunge with my newspaper bag and followed it up with enough kicks to seriously injure the dog (it had to be put down). The second i caught with a kick in mid-lunge, when it was able to get up again it fled. Both dogs were the size of a typical wolf. (not a large wolf, but average).

[–]Diablo_En_Musica 430 points431 points ago

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"..more hidden wolves in the trees."

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You've clearly done your research. I'd say you are more than prepared for the fight. Just watch out for their talons. And god help you if you go anywhere near their eggs.

[–]filenotfounderror 360 points361 points ago

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are you retarded? wolves are mammals, thier young are born from cocoons not eggs.

[–]Diablo_En_Musica 332 points333 points ago

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My friend, I beg to differ. I've raised several wolves in my lifetime and the first thing you notice about them is their penchant for nesting their eggs at the highest tree branches. It provides them an optimal view for hunting, while providing thinner air for their young's developing gills.

[–]filenotfounderror 244 points245 points ago

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look i appreciate your time as a wolf raiser and or trainer, but as a man who spent 7 years as a wolf i have to tell you this is not the case. during copulation wolves eject a silky substance from the base of thier tails, this keeps the still developing embryo safe while the male holds the silky cocoon in a stomach pouch.

[–]Diablo_En_Musica 190 points191 points ago

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Oh my god, you're right ::slaps forehead::.. I was confusing the wolves with deer. I'm so embarrassed.

[–]khamul 92 points93 points ago

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Actually you were confusing wolves with elk. Deer do not develop gills, but rather air-sacs on the outsides of their neck which serve to provide oxygen to the body but also to intimidate prey by inflating them, much like that air-sac on lizards.

Furthermore, deer do not have the claws necessary for climbing trees- saplings, maybe, but not trees. Deer usually hunt by digging small trenches, covering with leaves, and patiently waiting for prey to unwittingly wander into view.

[–]Diablo_En_Musica 49 points50 points ago

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True story -

A friend of mine once ate a wolf cacoon (or least what I thought was deer egg at the time)... gave him AIDS.

Don't recommend trying it.

[–]EggSauce 21 points22 points ago

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Another fun fact about wolfs: They are known for their intricate and mysterious dances. While it is difficult to witness these dances first hand, there is a very highly acclaimed documentary aptly named "Dances with Wolfs" that shows several instances of these dances in great detail. I recommend this for any wolf enthusiast.

[–]Diablo_En_Musica 10 points11 points ago

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I like the part in that movie where wolves wrap that horse up in silk and haul it up to the top of the tree as bait for the deer. Although, looking back, I guess there are some science fiction elements to the plot; I've never see wolves that color before.

[–]fungah 7 points8 points ago

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It couldn't have been a wolf cooccoon, wolf coccoons are world famous for the anti-oxidant properties. It was probably a moose egg. Moose eggs are often confused for wolf eggs, due to similar shape, texture, and mottled pattern.

[–]loveeverything 6 points7 points ago

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I bet I could eat 100 wolf caccoons.

[–]InternationalLawyer 69 points70 points ago

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THIS IS THE WORSE BIOLOGY CLASS EVER.

[–]Diablo_En_Musica 13 points14 points ago

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You get what you pay for, buddy. Now go study up on the anatomy of the deer gill. There's a quiz on Monday.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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You clearly aren't much of a wolf trainer if you can't tell apart a wolf from a deer. I mean come on; one has two distinct body segments, goes through complete metamorphosis via pupal stage (cocoon) and hunts it's prey by spreading a layer of film between it's six limbs and gliding down from tree tops to deliver a poisonous sting, while the other is a deer.

[–]Diablo_En_Musica 8 points9 points ago

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three distinct body segments

FTFY... C'mon man. If you're gonna be trying to make me look bad, at least get your information correct first.... ::pssh.. this guy thinks he knows wolves::

[–]thegentlemantheif 100 points101 points ago

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It can attack from one powerful place (it's mouth) and I can attack from 4 (or 5 if I am that brave)

1 left arm

2 right arm

3 left leg

4 right leg

5 turkey slapping a wolf is fucking brave

[–]ir-rixu 22 points23 points ago

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not knowing the meaning of turkey slap, i foolishsly assumed it was some sort of head butt. googling it resulted in a pool of tears and pee. "fucking brave" is an understatement to say the very least.

[–]nomerde[!] 105 points106 points ago

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This deserves a thorough analysis:

wolf redditor
Physical attributes Massive jaw equipped with dagger like teeth able to crush even the bones of animals twice its size, four sets of claws that slash through skin like butter Small twitch muscle control from hours of playing Xbox 360
Experience Kills animals regularly in order to feed itself in the wild Obtains food by opening box and punching numbers on a microwave display
Number of Kills Many, basically been killing its whole life Once accidentally ran over a chipmunk driving his mother's car to school

Hmmm, this one's a tough one to decide.

[–]bdubaya 24 points25 points ago

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I think we can all agree that the real question is, how the hell did you make a table?

[–]Mrow 6 points7 points ago

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those who know how to look up source those who don't know how to look up source
nomerde bdubaya

[–]maybejolisa 52 points53 points ago

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I've seen wolves rip apart wire-link fences with their teeth because they were bored and wanted to be on the other side of the fence. If you can do that by punching, I guess maybe you've got a shot.

(source: worked in wolf rehabilitation center)

[–]delaneyyy 25 points26 points ago

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if you can do that by punching, then you are probably batman.

[–]vaskemiddelet 41 points42 points ago

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If you can do that by punching, you have probably played minecraft.

FTFY

[–]IPoopedMyPants 8 points9 points ago

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(source: worked in wolf rehabilitation center)

Did you get wolves off of drugs and alcohol?

[–]LuciferBowels 97 points98 points ago

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My grandfather killed a German Shepherd once. Maybe you can use some of his techniques. The German Shepherd attacked him while he was walking his dog, instead of going with the punch or kick technique he chose to shove his fist into the German Shepherd's mouth. He worked his fist into the dogs throat, occluding his airway, then he watched the life slowly dissipate from the animal.

[–]technodeity 232 points233 points ago

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This also works with actual German shepherds.

[–]slanket 5 points6 points ago*

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Bullshit, their flock will attack you before the shepherd suffocates.

Sure, they look cuddly, but under the right circumstances they can be deadly.

Source

[–]Garak 8 points9 points ago

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That’s…pretty awesome.

How does that work, though? I mean, assuming that you can, in fact, choke a snarling dog with your fist, how do you endure the minute or so of it shredding your flesh with its teeth?

[–]thelonebanana 41 points42 points ago

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Adrenaline.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points ago

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The dog has no power to shred your arm when it's halfway down it's throat. Its survival instinct kicks in and it focuses solely on getting away.

[–]little_z 26 points27 points ago

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Stick your fist down your throat and try to bite your wrist. Let me know how that works out for you.

[–]number6 60 points61 points ago

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Hnnnnnungghk!

[–]934875293487 50 points51 points ago

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A singular wolf is hard to beat. Being the exceptional, extraordinary wolf that he is and all.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points ago

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Thank you. At least there is one person here that understands that singular!=single.

[–]st1710 9 points10 points ago

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Unless he is singular in his lack of wolfish teeth. Then, while he might delivery a ferocious gumming, I suspect one might still have the upper hand.

[–]atm0 280 points281 points ago

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Best askreddit question in a long time.

[–]ProbablyHittingOnYou 183 points184 points ago

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You mean you don't like answering "What's your favorite quote?" and "What movie totally blows your mind?" for the 20th time?

[–]capgrass 142 points143 points ago

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OOH OOH MINE ARE THE BEST!

"I can't see my forehead" - Patrick from Spongebob

and

Spiceworld

I can has comment karma now?

[–]Werezwolf 35 points36 points ago

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Well I was saving it for your birthday, but here you go.

[–]devilsadvocado 18 points19 points ago

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Usually I reluctantly open ask reddit threads out of boredom. I was quite anxious to have a look at this one.

[–]ShogunGould[S] 24 points25 points ago

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I hope you were not disapponted.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points ago

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We're learning how to defeat a lone wolf, an invaluable skill. What's to be disappointed about?

[–]whitepeachtea 103 points104 points ago

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You might have a chance, unless it was a full moon. Wolves get more powerful during the full moon.

Source.

[–]pitakebab 50 points51 points ago

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Wolves triple in numbers during the full moon

FTFY

[–]flussence 42 points43 points ago

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Wolves only spawn on grass blocks exposed to the sky at night between z height 64-72

FTFY

[–]skittles15 21 points22 points ago

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When he jumps on you, just press V as he goes for your neck. You will then twist the wolf's head, breaking its neck.

[–]MaximusLeonis 217 points218 points ago*

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A lone wolf is in a dangerous position. They usually can't take down anything larger than itself alone. Which is why they are always alone.

If you are in a gladiator battle against a wolf, where you know that you wouldn't fight another wolf, then you can win easily. It might destroy your wrist or ankle, but that wolf is dead once it tries to hold on.

If you were to encounter a lone wolf in the wild, DON'T RUN THE FUCK AWAY, because other wolves are nearby. Instead try to intimidate it by yelling and making yourself appear bigger.

edit: Running away is a bad idea. Sorry for suggesting it. If anybody died due to a wolf attack before I was shown my mistake, you have my sincerest apologies.

[–]hammergiant 175 points176 points ago

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No, do not run. That is the worst thing you can do. If you run, they will chase you down. Running makes you look like prey, and their hunting instinct will kick in.

[–]brain_science 563 points564 points ago

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Correct. Do not run. Instead, expose yourself. Wolves have very easily offended moral sensibilities and will always flee nudity.

[–]damnhenry 103 points104 points ago

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Sounds like a good way to get your dick/vag chomped or maybe have a litter of wolf cubs.

[–]brain_science 82 points83 points ago

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And you just know that bitch is gonna nail you for child support.

[–]inkdracula 51 points52 points ago

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There used to be only one in my wolfpack!

[–]Bazarov 54 points55 points ago

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I'd say you should take it one step further and stick your thumb up its arse. Worst case scenario, you have an excellent starting position for the ensuing fight. Best case scenario, you make a new friend.

[–]smoore701 10 points11 points ago

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but what about dickwolves? Good ol Penny Arcade/WoW reference... http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/11/

[–]Peritract 11 points12 points ago

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[–]chromium24 48 points49 points ago

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Yup. If you have a jacket, unzip it and quickly pull it open. The sudden increase in size will startle them. Sprinting right the fuck at them and yelling works too.

Animals are pretty stupid; if you run, they chase, and if you chase, they run.

[–]Horatio_Hornblower 22 points23 points ago

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Or in other words, act just like that hooded dinosaur in Jurassic Park.

[–]chromium24 23 points24 points ago

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Yep.

Imagine you're walking through the woods, and you're sorta daydreaming, looking at the ground, then you look up and see something like this but 10 feet tall. Then it grows three times its size and runs at you shrieking.

That is what it's like to be on the receiving end of the ol' coat rush.

[–]lawpoop 14 points15 points ago

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The fabled mothman of Appalachia is thought to be the great horned owl's threat display

[–]radu242 4 points5 points ago

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Holy shit that's scary.

[–][deleted] 85 points86 points ago

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Nice try, Wolf.

[–]juicesnn4e2 92 points93 points ago

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I just ran from a wolf, and died. Thanks alot

[–]positronJon 17 points18 points ago

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Hmm let's take it a bit further: what about a pack of humans vs a pack of wolves?

[–]The_AV8R 15 points16 points ago

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I wonder if roman gladiators recorded results of X humans vs. Y animals, and with which weapons, if any. I'd hate to see useless killing of wild animals, but it would be neat to know outcomes from past events.

[–]Doctor_B 137 points138 points ago

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I think the secret about nonhuman animals is that they're incredibly fast and strong compared to us. I mean, yeah, you're probably almost twice as heavy as an adult wolf, but people are basically meat pinatas when we're unarmed.

All this talk about kicks to the chest and dodging bites and shit is great, but unless you are a trained and experienced wolf fighter you are going to miss, panic and get fucked up. Have you ever been attacked by a dog? I have and it fucking sucks.

A wolf probably wouldn't attack you, but on the off chance that it did you would be torn to shreds.

[–]WarSocks 146 points147 points ago

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Stumbling home drunk through an Arab city one night I got attacked by a pack of wild dogs. I was stupid enough to run. People don't realize that their beloved Fido is only cuddly because he's raised fat and retarded. Wild dogs are fucking scary.

[–]gabbehh 61 points62 points ago

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So what happened?

[–]ProbablyHittingOnYou 239 points240 points ago

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WarSocks was killed. It was quite tragic.

[–]gabbehh 72 points73 points ago

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Why are you everywhere!

[–]ProbablyHittingOnYou 91 points92 points ago

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I am that is.

[–]Son_of_York 94 points95 points ago

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Matthias! Take up the sword and shield of Martin the Warrior and save Redwall!

[–]dxcotre 20 points21 points ago

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I read every one of these books that came out until I was in the seventh grade, the last of which was Loamhedge. AMA.

[–]dartt 12 points13 points ago

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Matthias.

[–]ResonantPulse 23 points24 points ago

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Holy shit, a Redwall reference on Reddit. Thank you.

[–]alienangel2 67 points68 points ago

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Have you ever been attacked by a dog? I have and it fucking sucks.

Oh boy. I've been attacked by a goat, and even that sucked.

Oddly enough, a dog defended me.

[–]OfficialPdubs 62 points63 points ago

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i was head-butted in the side by a goat when i was like 7.... goats are dicks.

[–]pickleinspector 48 points49 points ago

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A goat ate my petting-zoo ticket once. Before I got in.

[–]BlazmoIntoWowee 39 points40 points ago

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WHAT WAS HE DOING OUTSIDE THE PETTING ZOO? Creepy.

[–]bcpk 42 points43 points ago

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He was the ticket stile attendant.

[–]BlazmoIntoWowee 50 points51 points ago

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Was... was this a petting zoo run by animals and filled with... HUMANS?!?!

[–]bcpk 23 points24 points ago

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With paying robot customers.

[–]frexels 25 points26 points ago

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I upvoted this solely due to the phrase "meat pinata"

[–]SmartassStrongNThis1 48 points49 points ago

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Depends on how much you're like this guy...

[–]k4ppah 7 points8 points ago

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I hope a bear saw this go down.

[–]rsvr79 72 points73 points ago

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Having been in a bite suit for police dog training, I think I can safely say the wolf would fuck your shit up. You would flail ineffectively and scream like a little girl at this beast that would keep lunging at you and ripping chunks of flesh out of your dangling appendages.

[–]tsivist 38 points39 points ago

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I'm flailing ineffectively and screaming like a little girl right now, just thinking about it.

[–]elperegrino 353 points354 points ago

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[–]CamoBee 407 points408 points ago

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You are technically correct . . .

[–]DrJulianBashir 401 points402 points ago

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. . . the best kind of correct.

[–]mister_zurkon 233 points234 points ago

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REMEMBER TO UPVOTE THE SET-UP GUY TOO.

[–][deleted] 155 points156 points ago

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REMEMBER TO UPVOTE THE SET-UP GUY UPVOTE REMINDER GUY TOO.

[–]Invinciblex 73 points74 points ago

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AD INFINITUM.

[–]scarnmaster 45 points46 points ago

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AD HOMINEM

[–]arsewhisperer 85 points86 points ago

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AD VERTISEMENT

[–]molest-o-bot 23 points24 points ago

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HI BILLY MAYS HERE!!!

[–]ShogunGould[S] 39 points40 points ago

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Right you are. Agaisnt a singuar wolf I suppose I would not win. I of course meant single.

[–]arjunkc 91 points92 points ago

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by single you mean unattached? then it can afford to fight to the death... no wife and kids to care for. your chances are significantly lowered. it would fight to the death.

[–]tiny_mars_humans 26 points27 points ago

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Wolf's got nothing to lose!

[–]ewest 17 points18 points ago

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If the wolf is single, though, it completely removes the "I fucked your girlfriend" banter that one could utilize in order to demoralize the dog.

[–]DrJulianBashir 14 points15 points ago

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Could I beat a totally awesome wolf in a fight?

[–]taylorloy 24 points25 points ago

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Brilliant, I favored that intentional misunderstanding as well.
"That's soooooooome Wolf!"

[–]ProbablyHittingOnYou 23 points24 points ago

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That doesn't mean he couldn't do it, it just raises the standard. Could one man beat one above-average wolf? I think it's possible.

[–]ShogunGould[S] 15 points16 points ago

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Thank you for the vote of confidence, hopefully you mean it and are not just hitting on me.

[–]jcoopz 97 points98 points ago

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Nice try, Edward Cullen.

[–]sirjoebob 7 points8 points ago

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Surprised I just upvoted a Twilight reference..... haha.

[–]ChicagoBurdman 107 points108 points ago

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Wolves = Pack animals.

Raptors = Pack animals.

Robert Muldoon didn't stand a chance and he was an Aussie with a hat. My personal opinion is that you don't stand a chance.

[–]PandaWrestler 12 points13 points ago

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What if he had 2 hats? Would that have made a difference?

[–]ratbastid 13 points14 points ago

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What if his hat had had a hat?

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[–]ShogunGould[S] 34 points35 points ago

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I understand that in a pack situation I would be dead in 7 seconds, but I think that against one wolf, I would win.

[–][deleted] 71 points72 points ago

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I don't know...lone wolves can be very dangerous. Especially on grassy knolls.

[–]tehhunter 76 points77 points ago

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Wolves did 9/11

[–][deleted] 100 points101 points ago

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WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

...AND SHEEP!

[–]aussiegolfer 30 points31 points ago

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Not as bad as a Dire Wolf. Those things have 4 ER Large Lasers, 4 MPLs and god knows how many LRM and ACs, plus the heatsinks to use them! There's even a variant with gauss rifles! No way you could take that on alone.

[–]Griefer_Sutherland 23 points24 points ago

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Knowing you're going to get hurt in the progress won't stop you from being completely shocked when it starts tearing flesh from you. People who haven't been severely injured don't realize how paralyzing the human reaction to pain can be. Judging by this entire AskReddit post, I'm going to hazard a guess that you've never been seriously injured before (I'm talking bone-jutting-through-skin injured). You don't think clearly or rationally, you just want the pain to stop. If this thing starts ripping the skin from your ankle, you're not going to think, "hey, this is a great time to reach around its neck and get it in a forearm choke". Your body convulses and all you can do is try and shake it off. Canine teeth are designed to not let go when their prey shakes uncontrollably. You'll lose to this wolf, no doubt.

[–]frexels 13 points14 points ago

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I think it depends on the first attack. You can't attack first because the wolf would undoubtedly bite whatever you attacked with (and the only reasonable thing to attack it with would be your legs), throw you to the ground (rendering you defenseless) and proceed to maul you to death. So, you'll have to wait for the wolf to attack.

You aren't going to be able to kick the wolf away. Grey wolves can weigh up 130 pounds of solid muscle. They are crazy fast, so I doubt you'd be able to aim your kick to its nose/face accurately enough for you not to accidentally kick it in the mouth. Your only option would be to try to intercept the attack with your forearm. But, wolves are very strong. It would probably crush the bones in your forearm. If you can withstand the pain and are not immediately thrown to the ground and stunned by the wolf, you might be able to punch it in the face with your other arm and eventually suffocate/strangle it. It is more likely that the wolf will break your arm, shake you to the ground, drop your arm and then bite your throat. At which point you will probably be killed, but if by some miracle you manage to survive, you will probably eventually die of blood loss.

You'll have to combine the forearm block with a wolf-tackle. Your initial attack has to sufficient to knock the wolf over so you can climb on top, gain control and kill it. This is not exactly a skill you can train for. It has to be one part determination and three parts luck.

So, the real question is, are you lucky?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points ago

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This is so weird, I just woke up, opened reddit, and this made me remember my dream. In my dream, I was in bed when a wolf suddenly appeared, and when I tried to use my gun, it for some reason exploded, leaving me one-on-one with the wolf, and the wolf just snarled and walked away.

[–]Peritract 30 points31 points ago

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I think you may just have had a sex dream about a wolf.

[–]HWPlainview 21 points22 points ago

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Dwight Schrute?

[–]slasher_lash 8 points9 points ago

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Listen to me - DO NOT DO THIS. You ever watch animals, like outside, running around, bounding from tree to tree and shit? They have SKILLS. NATURAL SKILLS. You don't have those because you're human and we traded that shit in for microwavable popcorn and books. You have to think about what you're going to do when they just DO IT. It will fuck your shit up sideways. You won't know what hit you. A sensei once told me that animals know Aikido. Watch a squirrel. A squirrel can fuck you up. A wolf? HELL NAW.

[–]awesimo 26 points27 points ago

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This is probably going to get lost in the comments, but oh well.

My family is from Quebec. A long time ago, my grandpa and other family members were out trapping in the north. Personally, I think trapping is a shitty way to hunt, but this was old times I guess.

Anyway, these guys set up a trap for some animal like a fox or a rabbit or something, I'm not sure what. Probably wabbits.

They leave the trap out for a night or so, and when they come back to it, there's a goddamn couragewolf stuck in the trap, staring them in the face, teeth bared and all. Naturally, my grandpa's cousin shot it. Down goes the wolf.

Cautiously, the men approach the wolf, and open the trap. Once the trap opened, the motherfucking adrenaline-filled wolf jumps out, viciously snapping its slobbering jaw.

Without a moment's thought, my grandpa's cousin one-punched the wolf in the head, shattering its skull along with every bone in his hand.

So, yes. You can kill a wolf.

TL;DR: a relative of mine killed a wolf with his bare hands by punching it in the face.

[–]thetreece 19 points20 points ago

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I wonder how much being shot had to do with it...

[–]norris528e 14 points15 points ago

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Courage wolf? No Insanity Wolf? Hell no Scene Wolf? Probably

[–]quetzal1 13 points14 points ago

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Professor of Wildlife Biology here. My answer has several parts. First, there exist no reliable documentations of anyone ever being killed by a wolf....anywhere. This suggests that wolves are unlikely to attack you in the first place, even if they see you are present in sufficient numbers to attack you, and are very hungry. This alone suggests that your scenario is not likely to ever happen. Still, let's pretend it does....

Deception is a common mechanism by which other prey may communicate false information to predators about their ability to be caught. For example, cats and other organisms raise their fur or take on other shapes that make them appear to be larger than they are in an attempt to deceive other organisms into thinking they are more difficult or dangerous to kill than they actually are....and so to stop the predator from attacking. This is the strategy you are suggesting should work for you.

If it weren't a very successful strategy it wouldn't have evolved as a behavioral strategy by so many prey. It works for humans, too. This is a way to dissuade Mountain Lions from attacking people. Joggers and bicyclists at the urban-wildland interface have learned this. HOWEVER, this only works when the perceived risks outweigh the perceived benefits to the predator

The benefits are the meal. Which may be more valuable if the animal is very hungry or less beneficial if it must be shared too much with other predators. The risks may include injury (which could lead to death), death itself, or more commonly a great expenditure of energy (which may also make death more likely if the animal is weak or has few fat reserves). You can see that, as for humans, animals decisions (conscious or not) are contingent on a complex interaction of factors. They are integrated in decisions to attack or not, and how much to keep attacking.

Ultimately, and in summary, I would say that it is next to impossible for this scenario to arise. If it did, you'd be likely to scare them off. I think they could kill you easily if one or more wolves made up their mind to do so. This is irrelevant, however, because clearly evolution has shaped their behavior such that they avoid conflicts with us. Whether this is an adaptive response, or not, is unclear, and ultimately irrelevant to your question.

Leave wolves alone. They have enough shit to deal with.

[–]AspiringRapper 6 points7 points ago

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I hear you're supposed to kick wolves in the chest...remember that young padawan.

[–]Ikarus3426 4 points5 points ago*

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I would think being pack animals, they wouldn't be as strong or brave a fighter if alone. Maybe they'd run off, especially if you make yourself look threatening or to much trouble to take down safely. But just for the sake of argument it does attack you, they're pretty fast. I've noticed your plan is to dodge and then quickly strike, I'm not sure you'll have the chance. Even if you did dodge them, a quick strike probably wouldn't do anything. They're tough and big too. So let's say you dodge and swift kick. Not sure it'll be hard enough to rattle him from his objective of biting you as close to your neck as possible. Plus, I'm assuming you have no weapons. He has teeth. One bite from him hurts a lot more than one punch/kick from you.

Your best hope would be to dodge him quickly as he lunges, get behind him or at least on top of him, then quickly bend down and grab him, holding his head still with one arm and his body with another, then putting all of your weight on him to hold him down. Once you've got him down, you can try to stay on him until you think he'd be submissive to you (I don't know if this would even work) or you can try to break his neck. But if you let go of his body, chances are he'd flail and get away, so you'd only have one arm to do it.

edit: Just looked up how much the Eastern Wolf weighs (a wolf that lives in North America) and for the males it's 70-115 lbs on average, possibly larger. Females are slightly smaller. Depending on your size you MIGHT be able to hold one down, but it wouldn't be easy.

[–]Nexlon 6 points7 points ago

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A wolf outclasses you in both speed and relative power. If it manages to bite you, you're pretty much fucked. Wolves are not easily frightened, are uncanny hunters, and have a powerful lunging jump. I would say your chances are rather slim in hand to hand combat, especially if it gets the jump on you.

If you're fast and lucky enough and get the wolf by its legs or head, or if you use even rudimentary tools, I would say you've at least evened the odds.

[–]Euromutt 11 points12 points ago

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Let me start by pointing out that your question contains so many hypothetical conditions that it's exceedingly unlikely ever to occur in real life. But speaking as someone who volunteers at a sanctuary for captive wolves, and who's been in wolves' enclosures, in the (supremely unlikely) event that you found yourself in a half-acre arena with a wolf that was sufficiently hungry to try to attack and kill you, my money would be on the wolf.

Look, in principle, a single wolf can bring down an adult elk, and you don't have a large set of antlers or four sharp hooves. Your expertise in wilderness survival and first aid isn't going to do you any good in an arena, and the very fact that you bother to mention such irrelevancies in a scenario you yourself have concocted is indicative to me that you pretty much don't have a clue what you're talking about. You may be willing to "sacrifice arms or legs for the greater good" in principle, but the fact is that once you lose a limb, you're going to be incapacitated, suffer wound shock, and probably exsanguinate (i.e. bleed to death) in short order, at least without immediate medical attention, and again, the very fact that you add such implausible claims to your scenario indicates to me that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

Listen to me: an adult gray has sufficient jaw strength to bite through the thick end of a wooden baseball bat in one bite, if it so chose. It can bite through a moose femur in five or six bites. There is no branch you can tear off a tree that will stop a healthy adult wolf, or even delay it for more than a few seconds. I don't care how hard you think you are, the only way you would see off an adult wolf would be if it wasn't particularly interested in you in the first place. Yes, you can scare off a wolf by making yourself as large as possible, but most adult humans can do that simply by wearing a wide-brimmed hat.

Swallow your pride and tell your girlfriend she's right. In the (again, supremely unlikely) event that a single wolf tried to take you on, the wolf would win.

[–]SpartacusJones 20 points21 points ago

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Yeah, I totally think so. Depends on the tools you have. Something with reach, like a spear (even a shitty sharpened-branch kind) would probably help a LOT. I read an interesting passage in a book I had to read for an anthropology class about the importance throwing to humans and apes. The writer, an anthropologist, wrote about a first-hand experience where a pack of wild dogs started to surround her and get aggressive. Thankfully, she was on a rocky beach, so she just picked up some rocks and started chucking them at dog heads. It wouldn't have been enough to actually win a serious fight, but it was enough to frighten away some not-too-smart predatory animals. And that was multiple dogs- not as vicious as wolves, but if they'd attacked she would have been seriously injured or killed.

No longer on topic, but still interesting, the anthropolgist talked about how the ability to throw things was key for our early survival, hunting and defense, but that it's also the same motion used in breaking of flecks of rock to create stone blades. The whipping motion of the wrist used to smash two rocks together and chip off bits to get a sharp edge is just like throwing.

[–]tigersaurus 10 points11 points ago

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Something with reach, like a spear (even a shitty sharpened-branch kind) would probably help a LOT.

I take it you've seen the beginning of 300 as well, Mr. (or Mrs.) SpartacusJones.

[–]Smidgens 5 points6 points ago

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If you see one grinning at your window, don't let him in. He'll cheat at cards, and then murder you.

[–]beefwich 6 points7 points ago

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I think you could inflict enough pain on a single wolf to make it stop attacking and retreat.

You might not know this, but you are much deadlier than a lone wolf because you have an ability it doesn't: the ability to fashion a rudimentary weapon. Using a stick or a stone, you could inflict enough damage to at least dissuade an attack.

If it were a pack of wolves (or a bear), it'd be a different story. But one wolf, yeah, you'd fuck that wolf up.

[–]drivebycomment 5 points6 points ago

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Maybe a wolf. But a pig? Certainly not.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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Wolves have a huge bite force. I think they can crush bone, I doubt you'd be able to take it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwB2Lzkacps I don't know how viable this video really is but, they measure this wolf biting at 406 lbs. You'd either have to know what you're doing or be REALLY lucky to take an adult wolf down.

One more video totally unrelated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUbmt-ze_os&feature=related

I think if you saw that you'd shit your pants and run even if you knew it was the wrong thing to do haha

[–]Everyoneheresamoron 7 points8 points ago

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The answer is no. And here's why:

You aren't going to be put in a cage with a wolf. That's not how wolves fight, and it would be disingenuous to suggest that it would a fair setup.

If you are "Fighting a wolf", he's going to be attacking when he thinks you're at your weakest. He can wait. That means you'll be out in the cold for several hours, tired and alone.

So in a typical wolf vs person scenario, the wolf usually wins. Because he's not going to go into the nearest walmart and start picking fights. He's going to let you come to him.

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Yep, you have a weapon: your jaws. Just get to his throat faster than he can get to yours.

Biting a wolf to death would be FUCKING BLACK METAL! \m/

[–]cardboardshell 6 points7 points ago

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No fucking way. Just look at those blood-thirsty eyes!