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Police took my andriod on probable cause and have made text messages that strengthen my defense disappear. (self.Android)

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I had the origonal motorola driod great phone I really enjoyed it. Anyways the police came to my house and said they wanted to ask me some questions about a domestic violence incident that happened in the neighborhood. I invited them inside my apartment to talk with them about it and then they dropped the bombshell that they "knew I raped my ex-girlfriend while she was asleep." They arrested me and took my cell phone and laptop computer under "probable cause"

Anyways without going into to much detail there was lots of correspondence between me and my ex after we broke up that would really raise the question of "if this guy raped you why would you say this and this to him."

We recently received the printed up text messages about 400 pages of messages and the police cut out around 50 messages that would have spanned from the week of the incident to about two weeks after. It is so amateur too because the next message is an obvious response to a text message I received from her.

Does anybody know that if the police delete these messages is there anyway of recovering them if I get my phone back? I consider myself fairly computer literate.

Misc Info:

Verizon said they do not keep records of the contents of text messages after 30 days.

my phone was up to date when the police took it in august of 2011.

Yes my verizon bill shows that text messages were recieved and sent during that period.

The date the text messages were printed from my phone was in september of 2011.

thank you for all your help reddit.

edit: I have a great lawyer he is very confident we will win the case he is fairly young and decent with computers. Thank you for all your encouragement I will probably do an ama or something about the whole story when it is over.

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[–]Luxin 51 points52 points ago

This is tampering with the evidence. If you can show that they deleted them, their entire case against you would be suspect. More then likely the case would be thrown out before trial.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points ago

My lawyer was very excited we discovered that many text messages were blatantly missing from the report the DA released to us. He is going after the person from the district attornerys office for withholding evidence.

It is blatantly obvious they highlight and select a bunch of the messages between x and y date and made it look like i initiated contact with my ex first after the incident. But the next text message was a response to a question she asked me.

Also we have my Verizon bill from online which shows the date and time of all the messages received during that month.

[–]ericfromtx 9 points10 points ago

I've dealt with a similar incident, not so much with tampering with evidence so much as it was an illegal search and seizure but I would imagine the results would be the same.

Case dismissed before trial.

Have your attorney request the USB backup that the police would have been required to use in order to properly go through your text messages.

[–]guisar 4 points5 points ago

This, I did evidence gathering and there's a strict evidence procedure you HAVE to follow. First thing you're required to do- make a backup of whatever you're going to look at and work from that.

[–]ericfromtx 2 points3 points ago

Exactly, I am not 100% on this so correct me if I am wrong but going through the phone before it has been backed can potentially be a breach the chain of custody (or maybe it's just the validity of the evidence). That is to say that the defendant can question the validity of the evidence which sounds like it will have merit in this case.

The authorities are only suppose to go through the back up and never actually use the device itself in order to collect evidence for a case. I'm not saying that is what the police did here because they very well may have just altered the messages on their print up only and not on the actual phone in order to try and put pressure on 'copstolemyandroid.'

[–]guisar 2 points3 points ago

Normally, there is a "cloning" device which is used by an outside agency (me at the time) to provide a complete image of the device. Once we've made an image while being watched then the image is given to the detectives and the phone itself is stored as evidence. Under no circumstances were the cops to look at the phone as that would destroy the chain and the DA would have a shit.

[–]nlakesNexus S, Stock ICS 4.0.4 3 points4 points ago

Don't know if this had been covered, but add up your messages sent during your billing period that remain on your returned phone and agree the number to your phone bill for that same period.

[–]i_never_listen 3 points4 points ago

Also for next time:

Install SMSBackup. I use it so all my text messages are automatically backed up to an email account.

[–]vsTerminusSGSII GT-I9100 CM9 Nightlies 2 points3 points ago

Scumbag redditor: Instructs users to install app, doesn't link to the app

[–]schlidel 5 points6 points ago

Market has search.

[–]_rai -1 points0 points ago

I don't think that means he's a scumbag, he just doesn't spoonfeed things that can be easily found.

[–]vsTerminusSGSII GT-I9100 CM9 Nightlies 3 points4 points ago

It was meant to be light humor, but I don't think people understood that.

[–]_rai -1 points0 points ago

I don't think it was helped by the fact that it wasn't funny

[–]vsTerminusSGSII GT-I9100 CM9 Nightlies 6 points7 points ago

Now you're just kicking me while I'm down

[–]_rai 0 points1 point ago

Brutal honesty is my strong suit.

[–]haikarainen 1 point2 points ago

If this was a tvseries I'd so watch it. Get em, tiger!

[–]malikb979Galaxy Nexus, AOKP M5|Evo 4G, CM7|HP TouchPad, AOKP M5 0 points1 point ago

When they look through your phone, they are supposed to make a copy of it and look through the copy. They aren't actually allowed to look through your real phone.

[–]mandrsn1RAZR XT910 / Thinkpad Tablet 2 points3 points ago

That isn't true. They can look through the actual phone. They shouldn't look on the actual phone for this exact reason.

[–]malikb979Galaxy Nexus, AOKP M5|Evo 4G, CM7|HP TouchPad, AOKP M5 0 points1 point ago

It is true. Same with hard drives. You can call FDLE or OCSO if you'd like, they'll read you the federal codes out of the book. If you look through the actual phone or hard drive, you change time stamps and potentially ruin your case.

[–]mandrsn1RAZR XT910 / Thinkpad Tablet 0 points1 point ago

A computer hard drive is very different from a cell phone.

Courts have routinely upheld a police officer can search a cell phone. This is still a gray area of the law, with most jurisdictions saying a phone (especially if it is not password protected) may be searched by an arresting officer.

[–]malikb979Galaxy Nexus, AOKP M5|Evo 4G, CM7|HP TouchPad, AOKP M5 0 points1 point ago

Not in Florida, hombre. I think that happened once in California. You do realize that something being saved on a cell phone is the same as something being saved on a hard drive. Seeing as how phones have hard drives too...

[–]mandrsn1RAZR XT910 / Thinkpad Tablet 1 point2 points ago

OP didn't say he was in florida...

That being said, there are Florida cases that allow search of a phone incident to arrest as well: Fawdry v. State, 70 So. 3d 626; Smallwood v. State, 61 So. 3d 448.

[–]DjQballEpic 4G Touch, Caulkulin 2 ICS 1 point2 points ago

Uh... How about on her phone?

[–]eldridgeaVerizon Galaxy Nexus 6 points7 points ago

So if you could get access to your ex's phone and show the messages they sent/received that your phone doesn't show as received/sent, you might could use that as evidence of the police tampering with the evidence. If not, you could at least use it as you intended to use the original evidence.

IANAL.

[–]fustercluckG-Tablet Flashback, Rooted Moto Droid 28 points29 points ago

A good computer forensic guy (the same kinda guy the cops would use) would be able to recover the messages, or be able to testify or prove that someone screwed with your phone.

Get a lawyer.

[–]sathedGalaxy Nexus | CM9 Nightlies 15 points16 points ago

This. I'm a developer and have had to call on computer engineers in the past to recover lost data. The only problem is that flash data is much harder to recover. Also, it might be hard to prove that it was the police that removed them. People erase texts all the time. You'd have to prove they were erased WHILE they had your phone, which could be tough.

My suggestion is to subpoena Verizon. I'd be willing to bet their logs go back much further than 30 days, but require a court order/subpoena to acquire.

[–]sturmehGalaxy S II, CyanogenMod 9 1 point2 points ago

There may be application logs of SMS's coming in that may have been deleted or something along those lines.

[–]JustAnotherImmigrant 0 points1 point ago

Or even at the system level, no? Like a system log? Or that is something only Carrier IQ would log?

[–]mynamesafad 1 point2 points ago

Their logs go back much further than 30 days. I had an issue with my phone related to text messages and intercepting other peoples conversations, but I digress. The tech support person asked for numbers that I had gotten texts from and was looking into when I got the message and if they could see it in the system. I was giving them numbers that texted me from November when they contacted me in January. Which is over 30 days.

Tl;dr: They have more than 30 days worth

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

That might be what it comes down to. The Da is going to say that those are all the text messages in the phone. And that I deleted them before I was arrested for whatever reason. I will look into a computer forensic expert in my area and talk to them about what they might be able to do to recover the data.

[–]raze78 2 points3 points ago

What about her phone? Couldn't you subpoena her phone to look for texts receives/sent by her?

[–]rougegoatNexus S 4G "Lore" 0 points1 point ago

same situation. If she is aware of the missing messages on his end, she could erase the corresponding messages on her end. Then you have the same situation with her device as well.

[–]SirHugh 0 points1 point ago

On a desktop you'd start any forensics by taking an image of the hard disk(s). I'd assume they do something similar on a mobile but you'd need special kit or know how to do it.

Either you could get an expert to see what traces are on the phone now or if the police got their experts to do it I think they should still have a copy of the original image of the phone's storage. Try to get hold of that.

[–]muyoso 15 points16 points ago

Did you have a rooted phone? Did you ever run a nandroid backup after Sept 2011? If so they are backed up.

[–]fustercluckG-Tablet Flashback, Rooted Moto Droid 3 points4 points ago

Nice! Great idea.

[–]FuryhunterNexus S 4G, Sprint, CyanogenMod 9 1 point2 points ago

Another good one is to check Google Voice, if you're on Sprint. They keep a server-side log of all your messages, which are stored separate from the Android messaging app.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago*

hindsight is 20/20 I am going to install a text backup program on my new driod right now.

[–]skyroketMotorola Droid Bionic 7 points8 points ago

Just FYI for anyone wondering about this, I use SMS Backup + https://market.android.com/details?id=com.zegoggles.smssync

It backs up your call logs and texts to your Gmail. Technically, the cops could've erased the gmail, too, if they saw it was being backed up. That's when you have a remote lock and/or wipe program like SeekDroid installed.

[–]spoogemcfuck 0 points1 point ago

I really wish this wasn't all in plaintext, I am tempted to write something myself just so I have some piece of mind.

[–]skyroketMotorola Droid Bionic 0 points1 point ago

When I was investigating SMS backup solutions, there were several that backed them up to your SD card "for restoring at a later date" instead of archiving like we're trying to do. I wonder if those are stored in plaintext or not, and you can just sync the backup file to FTP or dropbox or something.

[–]Angry_Table_FlipperGalaxy S2, ICS F1 ROM 0 points1 point ago

Is it possible to "detach" your android device from GMail using your computer?

[–]skyroketMotorola Droid Bionic 5 points6 points ago

I am not sure how to do it using the old method, but with the new "2 step verification" and custom authorization of sites and devices (where you have one password for your Gmail web access, and you specify different automatically-generated 16-character passwords for every single other access) you can go revoke your Android phone access in that screen. I think you have to enable that extra level of security first, though.

https://www.google.com/settings/ on the first tab "Account overview" top section "Security".

[–]neoman4426AT&T Captivate, ICS(main); Backflip, CM7(mostly just as webcam) 2 points3 points ago

Changing your password could theoretically work for that. Not sure if it continues to use that or the authorization thing you click though

[–]Angry_Table_FlipperGalaxy S2, ICS F1 ROM 0 points1 point ago

Duh, of course. You are correct.

Why didn't I think of this? I've changed my password quite a few times, and almost immediately it requires re-entering the password to continue using the mail account. You post-pone it, but you cannot click cancel and pretend that the password change never happened.

Thanks.

[–]sturmehGalaxy S II, CyanogenMod 9 0 points1 point ago

I've unintentionally backed up my SMS many times before with nandroid, so it was worth pointing out.

Titanium Backup is also capable of this, and many applications can forward the SMS to your e-mail.

[–]adamthinks 12 points13 points ago

Get a lawyer. And a reminder to everyone else, never talk to the police

[–]fletch44 0 points1 point ago

Unless you are not in the USA.

[–]idefiler6-Galaxy Nexus - AOKP- 5 points6 points ago

Still don't talk to them.

[–]benmarvinTheAndroidSite.com 11 points12 points ago

A lawyer could subpoena records from your phone company or the other party's phone company.

Also for future use: Get an app like SMS Backup+ that backs up everything to your Gmail account automatically.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

I just installed this app on my new phone.

[–]WikipediaBrownGalaxy Nexus (with real actual 4G not just the marketing term) -1 points0 points ago

Or, as Aarete says, Google Voice.

[–]jellicle 16 points17 points ago

Lawyer. Computer forensics guy. Go into debt to afford both of these if necessary.

[–][deleted] ago

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[–]pavelnHTC Desire, ICS Beta 0.4.2.1 2 points3 points ago

I think it's worth going into debt to prevent going to jail + having rape on your criminal record.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

I agree with this guy it utterly disgust me the thought of people thinking I am a rapist I am already in debt for the lawyer.

[–]santa4ntGalaxy Nexus 0 points1 point ago

Can't you countersue (if/when you win the accusation first) for fees and damages?

[–]idefiler6-Galaxy Nexus - AOKP- 5 points6 points ago

Do NOT EVER invite the police into your house. Even if you've done nothing. If you're going to talk to them, go get your house key, put down your cell and any weapons on you, and walk outside while locking the door.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

Yes hindsight is a bitch I have thoroughly learned my lesson I can't believe they would delete the messages on my phone though.

[–]idefiler6-Galaxy Nexus - AOKP- 0 points1 point ago

I believe it. They'll do anything. You're lucky it wasn't drug charges. Though this is bad enough.

[–]idefiler6-Galaxy Nexus - AOKP- 0 points1 point ago

That said, does she even have a case? Evidence is long gone and she was asleep for it. If I was the judge I'd say evidence/witness or GTFO.

[–]Zephyr256k 3 points4 points ago

Can't be said enough. Inviting police in is automatic consent to a search and seizure. If you had stepped outside to talk instead, they would have needed a warrant.

[–]socsa 0 points1 point ago

Even better: Step outside and tell you need to call your lawyer. Step back inside, lock the door, and let them stand on your lawn for as long as they like.

[–]supra_klGalaxy Nexus 5 points6 points ago

thank ou for all your help reddit.

Get a lawyer...

[–]RamacherAt&t SGSii (SGH-i777) - AOKP 2 points3 points ago

Put a pin or pattern lock on your phone! Most states recognize electronic passwords as physical locks and need a warrant to unlock the device. So when they finally do get the warrant, hopefully you'd have a lawyer by then, and have him present to witness everything they do.

[–]Rex9Thunderbolt, BAMF Forever 1 point2 points ago

Unfortunately, this is not (always) the case. I know there are states where the police are given a hand held or laptop-based unit with a USB cable, and they can make an image of your phone without ever unlocking it. Too busy to find the reference now, but the article talked about how it bypassed all phone security.

[–]RamacherAt&t SGSii (SGH-i777) - AOKP 0 points1 point ago

Wow didn't know they did that. I read some of the internal emails from the Arizona DPS that anon got and one of them lists apps on phones cops should look out for. One was a police scanner app and another was trapster. I found that funny because where I live the cops endorsed trapster and put their location of where they're clocking.

[–]ButtonFury 11 points12 points ago

You should post this over at /r/mensrights. They might be able to offer you some additional help.

[–]JalhDroid.X Liberty3.V2 2 points3 points ago

I'm a bit skeptical about Verizon deleting the content of txt msgs after 30 days. You should lawyer up ASAP and contact the ACLU.

[–]macnetoGalaxy Nexus, Stock 4 points5 points ago*

Police Officer here:..First and foremost, STOP POSTING HERE. Anything you say on these forums could be admissible in court. I hate to say it like this but STOP TALKING.

The Defense is entitled to all the evidence the prosecution has. I would be careful going down this "Text Message" road. If they omitted texts as you say, thats is truly a rookie mistake. Every prosecutor these days knows that cell phone companies keep a running tab of how, and when your cell phone receives texts and from whom.

I doubt that there whole case hinges on a few texts messages. Now i dont know you or why your being accused of Rape, or what degree for that matter but my first comment still stands. Stop posting about your current case on public forums.

[–]i_never_listen 0 points1 point ago

You're partly right. I would say he should change lawyers first, I think its pretty clear that by posting there some details of the case shows his lawyer is lacking.

[–]macnetoGalaxy Nexus, Stock 1 point2 points ago

Im gonna say his lawyer doesnt know. Even the rookiest public defender would know this is a no-no

[–]ExdigguserPies 1 point2 points ago

Well it's a throwaway account and we've seen so, so many people helped about legal matters through reddit.

[–]macnetoGalaxy Nexus, Stock 0 points1 point ago

Just because its a "Throw away" account means nothing...It was still posted by him. Courts dont distinguish between "real" and "throw away accounts". His defense of "well your honor that was posted from his....ehh...other account so its not real" wont help him much.

And yes people posting questions have been helped before..BUT that should have (maybe not in all cases) occurred BEFORE he obtained council and began court proceedings.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

THe whole case doesn't hinge on a few text messages but it shows that she is a liar about many of the things she said and I have been telling the truth about everything I have said that I can prove. I will delete this account.

[–]macnetoGalaxy Nexus, Stock 0 points1 point ago

I think that would be wise, better yet take this thread down

[–]luzferoHTC Incredible 2, Condemned CM7 0 points1 point ago

The Defense is entitled to all the evidence the prosecution has. I would be careful going down this "Text Message" road. If they omitted texts as you say, thats is truly a rookie mistake. Every prosecutor these days knows that cell phone companies keep a running tab of how, and when your cell phone receives texts and from whom.

Im sorry but lately it's been really hard to believe that the government or police are actually playing by the rules.

[–]macnetoGalaxy Nexus, Stock 0 points1 point ago

Sorry you feel that way. But it will come out during the trail if the evidence has indeed been tampered with. Remember even if you think the cops, or the DA or the judge isnt "Playing by the rules" so to speak the final decision is up to the jury(if its a jury trial).

And if the prosecution is his text messages that also means that there is something there they can use or they wouldnt have brought it up. They must feel that the inclusion of the texts is more helpful to their case then to the defense's case.

[–]foreverphoenix 1 point2 points ago

What about the other person's phone? Is that an option?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

She could have deleted the messages or changed phones naturally. My family members don't even have messages they sent me from that period the alleged incident happened back in 2010. I am lucky my idiot self didn't delete the messages. My friend was telling me that not deleting them made your phone run slow and I was thinking about doing it.

[–]SupperTimeSamsung Galaxy S, ICS Teamhacksung 0 points1 point ago

Your friend's an idiot. Why do things like this happen to the good people?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

Check your Google Voice account.

[–]geauxtig3rsHTC Vision, CM 7.1 5 points6 points ago

He would have had to set up google voice...

[–]aesamattkiGalaxy Nexus 0 points1 point ago

My question is: why do you even need evidence to prove you're innocent? What evidence does she have against YOU? She can't just say "he raped me several months ago" and have you convicted.

[–]Cforq 1 point2 points ago

Yes she can. It happens pretty often. If she isn't willing to testify a prosecutor will drop the case unless there is a ton of evidence.

A fairly recent case that might be a shock to you: http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-18/justice/hofstra.case_1_face-charges-rice-accused?_s=PM:CRIME

[–]Aria226Galaxy S2 Skyrocket, Alien Build #6 3 points4 points ago

Fuck the police.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

I wouldn't do that but I greatly dislike them and hold them all in contempt now.

[–]meter1060 0 points1 point ago

If you're rooted try finding an apk of undelete. It may ne able to recover any lost texts if they haven't been written over yet.

[–]mlclm 1 point2 points ago

I think there's r/legalhelp or something like that. Also, I would talk to your lawyer about the legality of them taking and searching your phone and computer.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

its too late on that I shouldn't have let them into my apartment.

[–]mlclm 1 point2 points ago

Well yea, but just letting them in doesn't allow them to take stuff. I can't think of a probable cause to seize a laptop and cellphone in an alleged rape. I just wanted to make sure you mentioned that with your lawyer to see if they could make anything out of it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

I told the police that my ex was doing it because she was mad at me and everything I said about her could be backed up by my text messages. Then they said they were taking them because they may have evidence to prove I am innocent apparently so they could delete it. I did not give it to them they took it when they took me.

[–]sturmehGalaxy S II, CyanogenMod 9 0 points1 point ago

Use DeskSMS or some other SMS Forwarder, get them forwarded to your e-mail.

A persistent log of all SMS'es is pretty useful.

[–]CuriousCursorGoogle Galaxy Nexus (4.0.4 stock rooted S-OFF) 0 points1 point ago

SMS and call logs should no longer be used as evidence, it's too easy to fake them.

[–]FrankReynoldsGalaxy Nexus (Stock): Verizon 0 points1 point ago

ediscovery data forensics professional here.

Those text messages are still there. Unless they wipe the device using secure wipe via an MPE or similar device, THEY ARE STILL THERE.

Lawyer up. Get a data forensics professional on your side stat.

[–]chiatarGalaxy Nexus 0 points1 point ago

In Honeycomb and above, Android supports full disk encryption.

I turned it on to avoid this very scenario.

[–]socsa 0 points1 point ago

Well, at least you learned an important lesson today. Cops are lying sacks of shit, and events like this are the reason people refuse to cooperate with police investigations. I recommend you memorize this phrase: "May I see the warrant please, Officer?"

This and "am I under arrest, or am I free to go?" are the ONLY words that should ever come out of your mouth within ear shot of the police.

[–]steelcitykid 0 points1 point ago

I fucking hate the cops.

[–]CubanBNexus Prime | VZW | AOKP M5 -1 points0 points ago

I invited them inside my apartment to talk with them about it

Not to rub it in, but this was a big mistake. If they don't have a warrant, and you didn't call them, don't ever let them in.

[–]NorthernGrimOptimus 3D CM7 -2 points-1 points ago

rape tha police

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[–]sophwareSamsung Epic Reach-Around Thunder Rocket II 5G 4 points5 points ago

Good question. "You" in the examples below isn't you. It's "one" or "anyone" or "I." It's nothing personal. Again, your question is a good one.

  1. If she (or he, for that matter) is asleep when you start groping (2nd degree) or penetrate (1st degree, includes oral), you clearly went in without consent. Some people are into it when they wake up. Good job. Some people wake up and think "I did NOT want this!" If things stop, the rape has already been committed. Should she go to the police? Not my call. 2. She wakes up is too scared, embarrassed, or flabbergasted to yell, "Stop!" You, if you're ignorant, don't realize it; but, you are raping her. 3. She wakes up and yells, "STOP!" You think she's into it anyway. If she is, great. If you're "pretty sure she is" or you're "dumber than a bag of hammers" and don't realize how different one woman can be from another (or from a stereotype) AND you are totally wrong... rape. 4. She wakes up and yells, "STOP!" You either don't care or you like that you're over-powering her. Rape. …and you're a psycho.

Not all sexual activity initiated with a sleeping person is bad. It sure as heck helps to know beforehand that you have consent. If you don't have consent, it's pretty awful.

Is this what the OP did? I have no idea and my opinion is irrelevant to the case. It sure does sound like the police fucked with the evidence. I hope they go down for it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Of course I didn't do it in any shape or form. All the sex we had was while both parties were conscious and consensual.

[–]sophwareSamsung Epic Reach-Around Thunder Rocket II 5G 0 points1 point ago

That may be. If so, I wish I were your friend, there to support you through this bullshit.

Make it obvious those cops are the real threat. Then, think about them and this only when useful and necessary. Win by moving on (eventually).

Good luck.

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[–]sophwareSamsung Epic Reach-Around Thunder Rocket II 5G 0 points1 point ago

You could always bang dead people. That counts just as much.

[–]brains92 0 points1 point ago

Who are you hurting, really? cue Louis CK

[–]evman182VZW Galaxy Nexus, Stock 0 points1 point ago

It saddens me that even if this went over most people's heads, they still interpreted your comment in a way that caused them to downvote.

Sublime - Date Rape

[–]brains92 1 point2 points ago

I ain't in this game for the karma, brother. But it saddens me too.

[–]mangoman2 0 points1 point ago

It's sad because he didn't stand by his comment. You delete a comment because you are negative points, you become less of a man. (or woman)

[–]mangoman2 -4 points-3 points ago

I WILL RAISE YOU FROM THE DEPTHS OF THE DOWNVOTES!

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[–]briangig 1 point2 points ago

woooooosh!

[–]archon810Android Police -2 points-1 points ago

Should have posted this to /r/andriod.

Seriously though, "andriod", even in your name and device? "driod", "origonal"? Is this intentional?

[–]psychoticdream 2 points3 points ago

Not the right time man. Seriously not the right time.

[–]rusty34 -2 points-1 points ago

This is the basic theory behind deleted data -

  • You have a block of data stored on your hard disk drive (HDD) where your SMS's are. The file system keeps track of all these blocks and where they are stored on your HDD.

  • If you want to add more data to the HDD, the file system looks for some free space and puts the data there.

  • When you delete data, the file system basically says that the block is "free space" so that it can be used to store more data. It doesn't actually delete the data, it just re-labels it as free space.

So technically, your SMS's might still be on your HDD if you haven't overwritten them with anything.

[–]kllrnohj 3 points4 points ago

For hard drives that's how it works, yes, but phones don't use a hard drive. That doesn't necessarily apply for flash drives which do wear leveling and all sorts of other stuff.

[–]rusty34 0 points1 point ago*

Oh, I didn't realise. Does that mean they are unrecoverable if the SMS's are deleted then?

EDIT: Actually, I realise that phones use flash memory instead of physical hard disk drives. I usually just refer to any physical storage device as a HDD. What I didn't understand was how flash drives read, write and erase memory :P

[–]kllrnohj 1 point2 points ago

The same theory still applies, it is just far more likely to not work. The SMS's might be recoverable, but I actually don't know of any undelete tools for mobile - and you would need to be rooted to run any of them anyway.

[–]jonforthewinBlack -1 points0 points ago

I invited them inside my apartment

DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE, NOT FOR ANY REASON, EVER

What the FUCK were you thinking. ಠ_ಠ

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