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It's time for the baked-in Android UI to die (blogs.computerworld.com)
submitted 1 year ago by ilamont
[–]daggity 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
Also: bloatware.
[–]ehnonnymouse 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
A huge reason why I ended up going with the Nexus. Pure Android, no bullshit. Oh, and even though I had the option to get 2.2 early, they pushed it plenty soon enough for me. I hear some phones still don't have it.
:(
[–]rsynnott 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
4.5% of phones have it.
[–]Daniel_SJ 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
s/some/most.
[–]morriscode 77 points78 points79 points 1 year ago
Cannot be said enough. Custom GUI's are ruining android. They're also allowing manufacturers to make stealth customizations to the OS. Removing features Google never intended to be removed. It's horseshit and it must stop.
[–]stesch 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Custom GUI's are ruining android.
Ever seen the original GUI?
[–]freehunter 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Ever seen the new GUI?
[–]Pizzadude 26 points27 points28 points 1 year ago
It's almost as though it's... open source...
Most of the people using HTC's Sense don't think it's "ruining Android." I, for one, think it improves Android.
[–]deadcat 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I have a Desire, and I love Sense.
[–]silence_hr 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Same here. I really like it and I am glad they made it. Stock Android UI is IMO ugly.
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[–]barkingllama 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
You got something against Ireland, ya bollix? Mallacht ar do bhoidin gruama!
[–]Eggby 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I never realized how Irish my Nexus One was before :]
[–]Eggby -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
Those graphics designers think they know everything! What's next? The blue/orange contrast is everywhere? Hahah-HOLY SHIT!
[–]GirthBrooks 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
The only things I like about sense are the facebook integration and the lock screen. The sense theme is fugly on the evo; that gradient just doesn't look right on a screen this big.
Cm6 is the way to go
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
Disagree a billion times over.
It's gaudy, slow, and unnecessary. My Eris crashed WAY too many times before I rooted it and installed non-sense Cyanogen 2.2. They did improve it with the 2.1 update, but Sense has lost ALL respect from me after my experiences with it. The contacts menu scrolled at 2 frames per second, it would always take 4-5 seconds to actually start a phone call, and for some reason the "sense interface" program in Advanced Task Killer would always use more RAM than anything else.
Google can't really stop companies from putting their own skin on Android, since it is open source, but I REALLY REALLY wish they would AT LEAST make it easier/not contract breaking to get rid of EVERYTHING the company installs on your phone and replace it with clean, fresh frozen yogurt.
[–]ftothe3 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
have sense on all the sprint heros that my family has. it's great. don't get any crashes or lag (after 2.1&custom rom)
[–]Peroxyde 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I also have an HTC Hero that ran 2.1 with Sense for a good month. No slowness issues, begrudgingly left Sense because I wanted 2.2.
[–]Pizzadude 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Yep, my Hero has never crashed or had issues either.
[–]Andorage 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
seriously? i like my HTC hero but come on, never crashed?
[–]Pizzadude -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Never crashed.
Honestly, I didn't even realize that phones crashed. It obviously makes sense, but never had reason to think about it. What do people do with their phones?
dropped mine like a dozen times... case always opens up and battery flies... it still soldiers on and rarely crash tho. cept one problem with the camera where the phone reboots if i try to activate the camera while brightness is at maximum
[–]rsynnott 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Google can't really stop companies from putting their own skin on Android, since it is open source
Well, they can; they could refuse permission to use the marketplace, as they do with tablets.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do this at some point, now they're established.
[–]tctony -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago*
iPhone user here. Just want to make sure what I'm reading is correct.
You have to hack your phone in order to do what you want with it?
Anyway, so these companies are basically installing their crap software on top of Android before they ship it out?
[e] Keep on downvoting fandroids.
[–]boiker 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I'll translate:
We have to "jailbreak" our phones so we can do whatever we want on them.
[–]hexley 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Oh well, better luck next time. I'll be climbing back into my walled garden now; just saw a turd float by with TouchWiz written on it.
[–]boiker 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Wait? You can do whatever you want to your UI without jailbreaking?
[–]hexley -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
I can, but why would I need to change my UI? It's perfect as it is, besides, it's not as if any free space is locked down and whored out to the highest bidder. God, what a nightmare that would be.
Some people like oranges, some people like apples. (har har). My reason for changing UI is the same reason I don't use certain applications. Other applications, whether for purchase or open source, have features and functions that the base OS doesn't often provide.
You don't type reports and documents in notepad even though it is a serviceable program. You get Open Office, MS Office, or some other word processor. You can listen to music using windows media player, but there are third-party programs which are far superior to that (and iTunes, IMO).
The iOS is fine and polished, but it can't do certain things that I would expect it to do-- like widgets for instance. Sometimes I'd rather just glance at my phone and read the subject of new emails or texts without having to open the program. Being allowed to customize my phone allows me to put my most commonly used applications on a home screen and relegate the rest to the application tray-- just as I would on my home computer. Little things like that are nice.
Henry Ford revolutionized car purchasing for the average family. Apple is revolutionizing smartphones for the average consumer. I think that android has a nitch home with techies. The openness of the OS is allowing that same base OS to potentially become a solid alternative choice to iOS for the non-techie consumer. The flexibility of android may be what puts it over the top. Much like windows provides a flexible experience, it's wrought with more possibilities for user error and catastrophe. Apple provides a predictable and controlled experience that rarely gives a consumer consternation-- but at the expense of flexibility.
[–]hexley 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago*
My view is this: it seems to be inevitable that no matter whether you choose Android or iOS, for any advanced user a rooting/jailbreaking is going to be in order whether it be to remove forced carrier limitations and shovelware (on Android) or to modify typically inaccessible system functions (on iOS). Widgets, calendars & emails on lockscreen and every other minor and major tweak or variation are all available on jailbroken iPhones and have been since before Android was even on the market. Having used both, a jailbroken iPhone is absolutely the most flexible and powerful smartphone on the market for technical users, hands down. More apps, more flexibility, far better and more responsive gui, more unix tools, better OS, better frameworks, just better design all-round. MobileSafari has a plugin framework completely implemented and sitting there waiting, even though no plugins are even allowed! (only QuickTime.plugin). All of this available by going to a website or connecting your computer and clicking a button. It is -by far- the superior platform and it's obvious even when digging into areas we were never even supposed to see. The filesystem is laid out beautifully, behaves exactly as you would expect if you've used OS X.
Android is a reactionary, shoddy, rushed hack job by comparison. And it shows. God, even the gestures are poorly faked. You should expect better for yourself.
[–]boiker -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Replying again:
[e] Keep on downvoting fandroids. You have to hack your phone in order to do what you want with it?
I didn't downvote you because I'm a "fandroid", I downvoted cause you acted like a smug asshole. When you can install a replacement UI without jailbreaking/rooting (which you can do with android, see DxTop, OpenHome, etc) let me know.
Android is open, so consumers and manufactures can do what they please with the OS and many millions of consumers are finding this an attractive feature. iOS is rigidly structured and provides a consistent and high quality user experience and tens of millions of consumers love it.
Both are phenomenal OS's! Why do we have to be segregated into groups of iFans and Fandroids? Bullshit labeling is all that is.
[–]tctony 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Show me the part where I acted like a smug asshole. Android users are so much pretentious about their OS' than Apple users. They are always preaching about their outright openness in everything! Whether it be software or hardware. But then it turns out that to truly unleash the total potential of their phone, they need to root it.
(edit) accidentally hit send on reddit app, am now driving and can't finish comment..
[–]boiker 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
It came off smug. It read, as if you were chastising android users. "YOU have to do what to use your phone the way you want?"
If I misread, I apologize.
I can do all that any other smartphone can do with my phone without rooting. Rooting, like jail-breaking, just opens the door for more advanced customization. Again, your statement read to imply that wasn't the case.
Your last statement, however, was spot on. Carriers are loading bloatware on android devices and this is something I would love to have the ability to remove on principal (without rooting). Luckily, the bloat doesn't necessarily affect how I use my phone. I'm glad iPhone users can comfortably jailbreak now. I hope the iPhone scene can exploit the shit out that device. It doesn't seem that without rooting you have total potential of an iPhone either--although your experience is great and consistent without it.
My point is that Android users will blast an iPhone user who points out that to use the iPhone to it's max, you can jailbreak and tweak things. Though, to do the same for an Android device requires a root of it. Granted iPhone jailbreaks haven't always been so simple, but for anyone that wanted to and can follow directions, it was very easy.
I certainly don't feel that way. We can be friends after all!
I have had my HTC Hero since release (nearly a year) and it has never crashed or had any such problems. Maybe your issues had less to do with Sense, and more to do with a cheap phone.
Also, I haven't reinstalled TasKiller since I realized that it's completely unnecessary.
[–]roadlesstravelled 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Agreed. I much prefer HTC's Sense to vanilla Android.
[–]NancyGracesTesticles 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
Well, if the GUI wasn't customizable the outrage on reddit over the impugning of users' rights would fill the main page. So basically, you could give users free handjobs with every purchase and a vocal minority would complain about the length of handjobbers arm hair.
Consumer technology: damned if you do, damned if you don't. Someone is going to bitch.
[–]mindbleach 21 points22 points23 points 1 year ago
Customization and customizability are not in the same category of feature.
[–]cranktheguy 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Right now they are not customizable. That is what this article is trying to change. The carriers have been insisting on uninstallable skins, widgets, and apps that users cannot uninstall.
[–]shiftdnb 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I hate this. I don't want Amazon MP3, Blockbuster and other crap on my phone. You can't install it unless you root the phone and then when the update comes you have to revert back just to update it without problems. What sucks is these programs constantly run in the background and you have to use a task manager to kill them.
[–]Hraes 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
You just got a droid x too, huh? Blockbuster, couldn't believe it.
[–]CJSchmidt 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Sprint is just as bad. My Hero has a Sprint NASCAR app permanently installed. I'd really like to see the venn diagram Sprint execs used making that decision.
[–]NancyGracesTesticles 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
If you have WebOS, you just patch it and the NFL app. I'm moving to Android, is that not an option?
[–]onetruejp 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
No, Android does not seem to have the endless patchability of webOS. I just transitioned, and while there will be things you miss, the power and versatility IMO more than make up for it.
Well then buy a fucking iPhone like you should have in the first place.
Actually no, don't. I enjoy quietly laughing at credulous, baffled Android users suprised to find their handsets loaded with more unremovable crapware and advertising than your typical OEM PC system image. Can't even flush it out with a clean install thanks to your signed bootloader.
If this isn't the very definition of "painful irony" I don't know what is. Freedom ain't what it used to be.
[–]shiftdnb -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
are you ignorant or just a douche? Not everyone wants to switch their service just to get a phone. I am a mac guy but I'm not about to switch to a service that is crappy in my area just to be a fanboy. Overall I am happy with the phone, some day I will root it and get rid of the apps but not until the new software comes out for the phone in September. On another note, I also can't make an iPhone a wireless router for multiple devices. Which is actually coming in handy right now as I sit in the hospital with my dad who is on is iPad, my mom is doing work, and I am surfing the web all off one phone.
Not Apple's fault the USA espouses a schizophrenic approach to wireless coverage; every other country in the world uses GSM. And don't be disingenuous, you know there are several apps to turn an iPhone into a wifi router (if you don't mind the associated battery drain).
Sorry, it wasn't even aimed at you directly - more at the numerous Android fanboys who think they're getting freedom but end up with a device far more restricted and inferior to what they would have gotten had they just bought an iPhone in the first place.
[–]shiftdnb 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
No worries man, the beginning of your statement kind of pissed me off a little, apology accepted.
Now on to discussion. Does the iPhone allow multiple devices to connect to it at one time? I've never heard of this being possible. I realize that there are fanboys out there for all sorts of devices, believe me I would have definitely preferred getting an iPhone awhile back, but like I said the service is crappy in my area and I just couldn't wait for the iPhone to be available on Verizon.
Luckily for me I do have some knowledge of technology so it won't be hard for me to root the phone and uninstall the apps once I get the software update. Matter of fact it doesn't take that much knowledge of technology as you can pretty much find the information on various Droid X forums to do it.
[–]Omikron -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago
It helps subsidize the price of the phones...if you don't like the app don't use it its not that hard.
[–]shiftdnb 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I wouldn't mind if it was just on the phone and did nothing, but these apps run in the background eating up memory.
[–]myotheralt 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I dont actively use it, but it is consuming resources that it wouldnt if it were never there.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Yep, I see both sides, honestly.
What would be ideal is if the manufacturers provided all their stuff as one (or multiple, if necessary) applications. I.e, a Sense Home APK, a Sense Contacts APK, Sense Dialer APK, etc. The vanilla stuff can be baked in but the Sense stuff checked by default; if you want vanilla you hit the Applications screen and uncheck a few default selections.
They refuse to do this, however, because their APKs would get ripped out and distributed the instant a phone hit the market like that, which would defeat the whole purpose of their branded, enhanced (arguably) UI.
Well, if the GUI wasn't customizable the outrage on reddit over the impugning of users' rights would fill the main page.
Customisable by the user but not the manufacturer or carrier would be a nice compromise.
[–]morriscode 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I would agree, however neither are very customizable.
The Manufacturer gui's are just as static as far as customizations as the original os. Need root to get a good theme going on.
Just make Android OS theamable and forget it.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Are the handjobs customizable? But seriously, I want to get my handjobs without limiting my freedoms.
[–]affirmative -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
yes
[–]laurelstreet -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
Laser-like accuracy! Posted from an iPhone...
[–]PhilR8 -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
Wow, calm down, dude. This basically sounds like a whole bunch of whining. As the consumer, you have the power to buy what you want. Want the stock Android experience? There was ample opportunity to buy the Droid or the Nexus One. Not interested in those handsets? Everyone here is probably savvy enough to do their research and find out which phones can be rooted and flash custom ROMs. Don't want to do all that? Buy a Droid or Nexus One.
To say custom GUIs are ruining Android when Android is outselling every other smartphone thanks to Motorola and HTC (and their custom GUIs)... this doesn't compute. My previous three devices were all Windows Mobile devices and I had to unlock (root) them and flash custom ROMs just to ESCAPE the horrible stock experience. My Evo with Sense works a million times better than any custom ROM I ever installed on my WinMo devices. You may not like Sense, and perhaps with good reason (my friend has the Eris with 2.1 and it really is unbearably slow), but to say it is "ruining Android" is ridiculous hyperbole.
[–]maniaq 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
There was ample opportunity to buy the Droid or the Nexus One
not in this country
-but I agree, this is so not a big deal...
[–]morriscode 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I'm not worked up, and perhaps I didn't say explicitly enough what my issue is with these custom GUI's.
I have a Nexus One, ran 2.1, ran 2.2 and now running Cyanogen 6 RC3. The beauty of the vanilla OS is the features are in tact. Nothing is removed. You cannot say the same for the at least the Touchwiz interface. Side-loading of applications are gone from the Captivate, no tethering on several new Verizon phones, and again gone from the Captivate.
These GUI's on their own I wouldn't mind so much, but when they start using them as a way to remove options that the carriers don't agree with. I take issue.
[–]oblique63 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago*
That's an AT&T/Verizon thing, I don't think Samsung choose to remove those features from the Captivate, or [whatever the Verizon version is called]; just look at the T-Mobile Vibrant, or their unlocked Galaxy S, those are fairly full-featured (software-wise anyway, let's not forget T-Mo's shameless removal of the front-facing camera)...
As lame as I find their TouchWiz UI to be, can't really say Samsung's done too much harm to Android's core features
[–]hdssat -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
My previous three devices were all Windows Mobile devices and I had to unlock (root) them and flash custom ROMs just to ESCAPE the horrible stock experience. http://moviereleased.com
[–]rnelsonee 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
I'm not in the Android 'scene' or anything, but I heard with Gingerbread and with whatever comes next, Google was going to try to abstract the UI as much as possible. Basically call the UI widgets from an external library that can be replaced, which should significantly cut down on UI-revamping time. Is there any truth to this?
While each manufacturer is going to always tinker with things deep down, it would at least make it much easier to replace all the sliders, icons, date pickers, etc. if they could just replace a folder and recompile.
[–]metageek 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
That's what I've heard, too; the idea was that manufacturers could make their skins be apps, which would keep working when you upgraded the OS.
[–]itsmeee 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Amen.
[–]ouroborosity 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I have Froyo on my G1, the oldest Android phone. And it runs really well. I laugh everytime I hear about the brand new phones maybe getting 2.2 sometime in the future.
Not bragging, just sayin'. All hail Cyanogen.
[–]1RedOne 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Really? Do you have a link to the package you used? My G1 runs like ass. I'm using CyanogenMod 4.2.15.1. SOOOOO SLOW.
[–]znarfblatt 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Spoiler Alert: It's going to run like ass even with Froyo. Get a new phone, buddy.
[–]1RedOne 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I have put Froyo on it, just an hour ago, in fact.
And it does indeed run like ass.
[–]ouroborosity 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
You're still using 4.2.x? That's Android 1.6. Cyanogen got 2.1 running a while ago (CM5), and it's stable, but I'm currently running one of the test builds of 2.2 (CM6), which should go stable pretty soon.
Here's the downloads and guide to upgrading to 2.1. Follow the directions for DangerSPL closely, and it'll work fine. Once you have all of that sorted out and you're feeling adventurous, here's the test build of CM6 Froyo. It says test, but I use it daily with no problems.
[–]2_of_8 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I don't think that my Rogers-branded G1 supports it :-( couldn't root it.
Well, it doesn't look easy, but here's the Cyanogenmod guide to rooting your phone. Read carefully.
Cool. According to the disclaimer, I have the patched version and (thankfully) have to do it the other other way.
[–]Peroxyde 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
I have to say, the HTC Sense UI is pretty awesome.
[–]jonas094 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I'm thinking about getting an Incredible so I've been looking into Sense, and everything I've read has seemed pretty positive... it's nice to hear it from a Redditor though.
I went to 2.2 on my Hero for multiple exchange profiles, and the lack of Sense is driving me mad. Also, LockPicker (Awesome app) won't work in 2.2.
[–]snorp 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I have an Incredible, and highly recommend it.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I have an EVO and like the Sense UI, but I dislike that the first mini-update I got from HTC on Android 2.1 removed access to the stock Android launcher. I want to know what's on the other side of the fence, and it served no purpose to remove access to switch back and forth.
[–]skydivingdutch 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Install LauncherPro. It is based on the stock launcher with several nice enhancements.
[–]rq60 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I had a droid then a droid incredible. I don't think sense is that great. the sense mail app is probably worse than the vanilla mail app (and definitely force closes more often) and the same can be said for most of the other sense apps.
[–]meeeow 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
My bf got his Desire this weekend and it's smooth as hot butter. The interface is just gorgeous. But I suppose the article is right, would be easier if it wasn't integrated into the OS. Personally though, I don't think I'd mind the delays too much with HTC.
[–]netraven5000 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Could someone put up a screenshot of the vanilla UI? Just got the Droid X and I'm not sure I understand how they're really supposed to differ. The UI looked basically the same to me on all the Android phones...
[–]takeda64 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I believe Droid X has vanilla one, from the other comments looks like Droid 2 has Moto Blur.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Aren't all the custom UIs going to die in 3.0? Making this whole article pointless? I'm pretty sure I remember reading that in the feature list.
[–]freeridstylee 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Yup I believe Google swooped up Palm's UI guy, so the next android should be pretty.
[–]spacebarstool 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Allow easy rooting and the problem is solved. Void the warranty when we do it, that's fine, but make it possible (Droid-X I'm looking at you!) and they can ship whatever crap skin they want. I am not renting the phone. I own it.
[–]fuzzo 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
won't happen. manufacturers know how to get out of warranties - bloatwear the crap out of an otherwise lovely instrument.
[–]die_troller 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
thats why you need to learn to root.
[–]itgoesthere 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
If only there was some handset manufacturer, with a long history of designing stellar UIs, maybe in computers or something, who had the balls to say "This is the OS, this is the UI, and no, you can't fuck with it." I bet they'd make a pretty awesome phone, reddit would be all over that shit.
[–]cranktheguy 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
The baked-in, unchangeable additions are the problem. Enabling users to change things is the solution.
[–]miraj31415 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
I've seen enough crappy Reddit-user-selected Firefox skins to know that users don't make good customizations
[–]movzx 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Who are you to say that someone's personalization is wrong? It's not them forcing you to use a skin. it's them using a skin that they prefer.
[–]quadtodfodder 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
http://apcmag.com/images/apc/news/windows-311-hotdog-stand-scheme.png
true
That's, er, not a user customisation. That's supplied with Windows 3.1. Really.
[–]Omikron 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Pretty much every person who read this article and gives a shit has the ability to change their ui if the really want...
[–]timeshifter_ -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
The problem is, they designed that great phone that you cannot fuck with and keep Apple support, then said "Hey geeks, you want this phone too". No I don't. I want something I can fuck with. Hence, Droid 2.
[–]MrTissues 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Droid 2 may not be the best example with that bootloader. I love my Droid X but I can't fuck with it to the true extent that I want to.
[–]timeshifter_ 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I'm not that much of a fucker-upper. I'll just run into the random little thing that bugs me, and I'm used to being able to change those somehow.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
Have you tried rooting it? Works every time. Until it bricks.
[–]commenter01 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
rooting a phone doesn't 'brick' it.
[–]Levant 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Windows Phone 7?
[–]itgoesthere 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
That's a good one, tell me another.
[–]Andorage 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
"If you think your added home screens and special navigation systems are super-duper, turn them into separate launcher/home screen replacement programs. Preinstall this stuff on the phones if you must, but stop integrating it into the damn OS."
so true, HTC sense is great and all but its just a homescreen app and it should behave as such instead of forcing me to wait half a year to update to 2.1...
[–]moofman 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
These custom UIs are similar to having a bunch of preinstalled software on a new retail PC. Most of its just garbage and its generally best to just remove all of the crap.
[–]Sir_Diddymus 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Well, having a Desire I must say, that the extensions HTC provides make the phone usable. Don't know what exactly Sense covers, but that's how Google thinks Android phones should be used, isn't it? The standard Android features are pretty basic and didn't Google always state, that the default stuff is just there to get one started?
I mean people complain that the dialer doesn't have any features (and start installing a separate one) - the one from Sense does have all the features most people are complaining about which the default one lacks. Contacts are another example, as there are features worth having with Sense. The alarm clock? Home screens? etc...
[–]jtra 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I don't mind custom UI much as long as it is just a component and replaceable. The big issue for me is the slow updates. This is big liability because there will be a lot of security exploits in future. Only solution is to update system (patch). You do not want to be exposed to known security exploits for several months until they mind to do update. They should be able to update as frequently as Microsoft does update Windows. The phone is a computer now.
look admittedly I'm kinda spoilt because Samsung did exactly what this guy asked for and Touchwiz (3) is simply a "Launcher" that you can (and I did) easily replace with your favourite launcher so I don't see the big deal, really
problem solved
move on
what I'd rather see these people turn their attention to is basically "finishing" some of the standard Android (Google) apps that come with the phone - because some of these things (Calendar I'm looking at you) are just so obviously a work in progress, it's not funny
Take things like Email, Gallery, Music Player, (I'm sure there are plenty more people can add to this list) and make them actually decent - coz Google's own efforts on some of these most basic of basic apps is pretty half-assed - and really, Google shouldn't need to make them any better than "good enough" - that's your job Sony, HTC, Samsung et al...
that is where I think flagpoles should be planted as points of difference
[–]Tarqon 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
This is an extremely poor analysis. Custom UIs wouldn't be a problem if consumers simply had the option to flash a stock rom. The problem is that locked bootloaders prevent us from choosing what UI we want.
[–]Omikron 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Nice idea but it's never going to happen...
[–]erebuswolf 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Question: How do you get the "standard" android OS if you have one of these crap UIs? I am gonna get an android phone soon. Not sure which I will get, but I want to be able to throw normal plain android on it. I tried googling for an hour but all I see are other peoples versions of the OS. Help please.
[–]eldridgea 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
If you're on T-Mobile or AT&T, get yourself a Nexus One. T-Mobile ones are still available through an Android developer account, or there's plenty still on Ebay for both carriers.
Completely vanilla Android and superfast OS updates if Froyo is any guide.
[–]erebuswolf 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Thanks!
The Samsung Moment shipped vanilla 1.6 and now is vanilla 2.1 EXCEPT for a couple of sprint apps and demos. Everything else including the UI is plain jane.
[–]cranktheguy 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Root the phone. Flash a ROM yourself from a reputable source. Cyanogen is a popular choice.
[–]MrTissues 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Yea Cyanogen isn't exactly vanilla but is basically vanilla+. Wish I could put that on my DX.
Right thats the thing. Is there any real difference from these "reputable" roms and the phone UI? You still have to wait for someone to update when google updates right? Does google not release an official rom? I am sure some of these rom projects are updates faster than the phone companies, but are there other advantages?
[–]cranktheguy 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
The problem as I understand it (I am an iPhone owner until I can convince my wife to let me buy a new phone) is that what Google releasse does not have the drivers needed for each phone's hardware. So ROMs from sources that have the know-how to include drivers are the only viable option.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
More or less correct. The teams who know what they're doing can take the original ROM code and tweak it around until it cooperates with phones it wasn't originally intended for, and add other features that they develop. That's what the Cyanogenmod team is doing right now, what with managing to jam 2.2 onto G1s, and fiddling with 2.2 + Cyanogenmod on the Evo and the Droids, which I believe is their current big project.
[–]pursutioms 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
convince your wife to let you buy a phone :P
Do not try flashing a ROM on a Droid X...yet.
[–]ouroborosity 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Root it and install something else. I recommend Cyanogenmod, if it's supported on your phone.
The Samsung Vibrant on Tmobile is an awesome phone. Easier to get and cheaper than the Nexus One now.
does it have vanilla android?
I'll be picking one up this week, I'll let you know how it turns out. I believe it has one or two Tmobile specific apps on it, but nothing like Motorola's SenseUI.
[–]uberamd 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Sorry, but I love HTC Sense. It's (in my opinion) the most usable spin on the Android UI as it is a great combination of style and functionality. And this is coming from a major geek. There is a time and a place for geeky flexibility and vanilla UI, but a phone isn't the place (IMO).
[–]ew73 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
The Sense is pretty smooth on my Incredible. Patiently waiting for 2.2, though. I mean, come on, guys.
[–]jonas094 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on an Incredible, do you have any issues with yours other than sunlight on the screen? Also, do you know if there are supposed to be any Sense UI changes with 2.2 or is it supposed to just be under the hood?
Honestly, the sunlight thing is, while sort of irritating, not like it's TOTALLY UNREADABLE.
While it's speedy and smooth, there's a few spots where it'll slow down -- mostly when you have two or three apps actively installing/updating, but that's like 3 seconds, tops.
The battery, like all smartphones, isn't stellar, but it lasts a good day on the town for me. Just remember to carry a charger in your car / backpack / fanny pack if you're going to be sexing up some beautiful person and not be home.
Re: 2.2, I have no idea. Though, I have been following the "WHEN THE HELL IS IT GOING TO SHOW UP" blogs, which say Aug 18 is the release date for 2.2, so.. I'll let you know?
[–]jonas094 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Haha, cool thanks for the review. Not trying to call out your phone's screen or anything but that really seems to be the only significant issue people have with it. It seems like a solid choice overall. Was eyeing a Droid 2 until the mini-shitstorm about its connection flared up. I'll be upgrading from an EnV so I'm not too worried about buyer's remorse. If 2.2 gets pushed in the next couple of days and you happen to remember this thread I'd love to hear your thoughts.
[–]daggity 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I keep an extra battery in my wallet for my N1. Battery life is fine at any rate, but I don't know when I'm going to be sitting somewhere with nothing to do for a few hours.
[–]skydivingdutch 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Not hard to install it yourself
[–]ew73 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Agreed. The point was it's been slightly over a month since official release, and it's not as if the SDK was any secret before that date.
That the carriers weren't ready with all their (feasibly updatable) devices on or near that day is insane. And sort of the point of the original article.
[–]bonked 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I thought I would hate the Samsung Galaxy S UI, but I find it rather nice while not being as overpowering as Sense.
That said, Motoblur blows.
[–]uberamd 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
The TouchWiz UI on my Samsung Captivate made me want to puke. Its terrible.
wasn't a huge fan - got rid of it Day 2 - have to give Samsung props tho - they did exactly what this guy is pining for - install a different Launcher and TouchWiz is a distant memory...
True, but the device ran super slow given the specs. Constant stalls and GPS never worked.
[–]maniaq 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
hmm... mine's pretty quick - except when the battery runs low (which is far too often) and it starts lowering the clock speed to save juice..
the gps is kinda shit - but I understand this is hardly unique to the Samsung - anyway I have a satnav and the phone's gps is good enough for when I'm on foot
do you know anyone else with the same phone - you may have a dodgy unit?
Compared to my Nexus One the captivate was much slower during standard use. The Captivate stalls quite a bit. As for GPS, well, google says it all. Global issue. My Nexus One, Aria, and Milestone all have amazing GPS and nearly instant aGPS.
And I purchased 2 different Captivates from two different cities, same issues. Plus no LED, notification light, and USB on top so no docks. Not my favorite purchase.
I heard the US had mangled the Galaxy S when they released it as the "Captivate" - sorry to hear it, coz my proper SGS has been great
couldn't care less about the LED - takes lowlight photos just fine and the Flashlight app works well - not sure what you mean by "notification light" - as for the USB on top, kinda agree there - not so much about the dock issue but the power button on the side annoys the shit out of me - especially being right opposite the volume rocker...
couldn't care less about the LED - takes lowlight photos just fine and the Flashlight app works well
Yeah it does take alright photos, but trust me an LED makes low-light photos 500x better. My Nexus with flash on in low light was so much better than the Captivate with no flash in the same conditions it isn't even funny.
not sure what you mean by "notification light"
The light that most Android devices have to indicate a new message, etc. The Motorola Droid/Milestone has an LED in the top right corner that blinks green for new messages and email. The Nexus One trackball blinks white (or various colors depending on settings) when you get a new message, email, missed call, etc. The HTC Aria has an LED in the top right that blinks under the same conditions. It is very useful.
as for the USB on top, kinda agree there - not so much about the dock issue but the power button on the side annoys the shit out of me - especially being right opposite the volume rocker...
Yes those things also drove me nuts. Every time I pressed power I also messed with the volume, and every time I adjust volume I end up squeezing power.
Personally, I like docks for my nightstand as I use my phone as an alarm. My Milestone/Droid has a dock that makes the phone sit horizontal (the USB connector is on the side of the phone) and when docked it automatically activates nightstand mode which turns the screen into an alarm clock of sorts. Very useful.
see I hate flashes - this is the first camera I've been able to take proper night shots - city skylines and other stuff that has its own lighting - where the photo actually looks like what I'm looking at with my eyes - flashes always end up painting everything blue and messing with the focal point and just fucking up my shot...
I can see how useful a notification light would be - I've never had one so I don't miss it - but yeah that is a nice feature
actually the alarm is another gripe, tho I understand it's the same for every Android phone - turn the phone OFF and the alarm is never gonna happen.. WTF? I basically have to put the phone into "Flight Mode" when I go to sleep if I want the freaking alarm to work - esp. if the battery is a bit low!
one time I forgot to turn off Flight Mode and of course a million messages waiting for me when I eventually remembered...
[–]mijenks 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
The one overpowering issue I ran into was disabling of apps when the battery went below 10%. If I want to run the battery down to 0% by watching a movie or listening to music, just let me!
This is on T-Mo's Galaxy S (Vibrant).
I have the Vibrant too, luckily I haven't ran into that issue. However, I think that is an Android issue more than a Touchwiz one. I had the issue on my old G1.
Have you tried running the battery down and trying to play music, movies, use the camera, etc? Once 10% battery is reached, it pops a message that says "Battery Low" and the application won't start (or, if it was already running, exits). Interestingly, I didn't have the issue on my old G1.
No, in normal usage or me both with the Vibrant and G1 I rarely run into a nearly dead battery.
This is why apple has success in the phone and pc market.
Android is good. Windows 7 is brilliant.
However manufacturers always decide to 'customize' their own phone/pc. So you get a version of the UI with extra 'features' you'll never need.
OSX may be slightly inferior to windows 7 (no, really), but the average user wouldn't know better because he's used to toshiba windows 7.
[–]zouhair 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
No!
[–]Razed -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
DO THIS!!!
[–]Stingray88 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
I agree that the UI shouldn't be 'baked-in'... The problem is that you get more of a performance decrease while sacrificing ability when you install a UI overtop the OS vs. integrated.
With that said, SenseUI is the shit.
[–]badhairguy -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago
likely apple fanboi tired of infinite customizable options in Android. News at 10.
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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