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HTC has been making phones far longer than Apple, including a touchscreen device that predates the iPhone by about 5 years. (digitaldaily.allthingsd.com)
submitted 1 year ago by fuzzo
[–]leokennis 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
Very nice. Now we all know this lawsuit is not even about using a touchscreen?
[–]ani625 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
It's always been about assholery.
[–]silence_hr -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Ahhhh, you just met an average Mac user?
[–]tvon 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Oh the irony
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
you mean typical macintosh user? shudder
[–]kingtrewq 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago*
...but can HTC sue apple about that.
[–]leokennis 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
No. This case is about some very specific patents Apple holds. Things like sliding a virtual control over a touchscreen to unlock a device, and things even more tiny and bullshitty. Basically, Apple will win all these cases, but HTC will countersue because they have a patent on 'pushing a button to do something' or 'looking at something to see something', and both companies agree to stop sue-ing each other.
[–]easytiger 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Things like sliding a virtual control over a touchscreen to unlock a device,
I bet they also hold a patent on pressing a button
[–]xakh 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Perhaps they don't, and that's why they scaled back all the button usage?
[–]IConrad 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Basically, Apple will win all these cases,
That is not at all clear, sir. Apple got those patents based on highly limited claims which they are now pressing in a more broad manner.
It is entirely possible that they will get their patents invalidated as a result of this suit.
[–]leokennis 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
In that case, Apple will go look at HTC's patents, which I guarantee are just as stupid. In the end, status quo will be the best for both companies.
[–]IConrad 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
No can do. HTC isn't counter-suiting based on the patents that HTC holds. They're taking a good-faith defense.
[–]AlwaysDownvoted- 30 points31 points32 points 1 year ago
Whoever wrote this article has no clue about patent law. You do NOT need another PATENT to invalidate Apple's patents. All HTC has to do is show they had the technology, it was published somewhere, available, known, etc, before Apple filed the patent. They don't need to somehow back their claims with patents. If HTC gets a good IP firm to litigate here in America, most of these insipid patents from Apple should be found invalid pretty soon.
[–]silence_hr 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
If HTC gets a good IP firm to litigate here in America
Dunno, something tells me Google might help them
[–]ringzero 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
If HTC gets a good IP firm to litigate here in America Dunno, something tells me Google might help them
I dunno. Last I heard, Google IP Firm was still in beta. I wouldn't trust my lawsuits to beta-quality software. Not ready for the Enterprise!
[–]sterling2505 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Courts invalidate patents rather less often than you might imagine.
I have been involved in a patent dispute, when my employer (a large corporation) was accused of patent infringment. I'm an engineer, and my role was to figure out a way to explain how what we were doing wasn't infringing. The patent is question was (a) a completely obvious and standard technique, and (b) utterly preempted by copious prior art from a decade earlier. I explained these facts to the lawyers, and they in turn gently explained to me that although we would of course try to get the patents invalidated, the track record of the court in question was not encouraging, and so it was best if we could also come up with an explanation of how what we were doing differed from the language in the patent.
Generally speaking, courts are inexplicably deferrential to the USPTO.
[–]Javbw 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago*
they won't be able to invalidate the "insipid" patents, because a majority of what apple is suing them for is infringement in Android, which they didn't develop, so they won't have prior work, especially with the few OS level patents they are using.
THe patents they chose were very carefully chosen, and the older OS level ones were chosen specifically because of their strength. A Majority of the patents are not Multitouch ones or even related to phones Per se - some of the patents apple is using go back to the 1990s.
Patent Breakdown form Engadget http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-vs-htc-a-patent-breakdown/
[–]mollymoo 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
HTC don't have to have prior art themselves, it can be absolutely anybody's. They just have to prove somebody did it before Apple got a patent on it.
[–]yasth 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
If a company has prior use, it doesn't matter how they chose to implement that prior use (assuming of course they do it legally and don't break any trade laws etc, but to make that illegal Apple would have to sue Google directly). So them using Android does not invalidate any prior use claims.
[–]betterth -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago
If HTC gets a good IP firm to litigate here in America, most of these insipid patents from Apple should be found invalid pretty soon.
I'm sure Apple's nearly unmatched legal department, already fending off several patent suits, and already litigating several more patent suits, completely missed the ball here and random_redditor_129 understands what is going on way better.
Sorry champ, but when it comes to making intelligent legal decisions, I'm going to trust Apple's team over you. You realize how many patent suits have been flying back and forth over the iPhone and new smart phones?
This is far from the first lawsuit, just another (relatively small) case in the sea of technology patent litigation.
[–]AlwaysDownvoted- 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
First of all, Apple has a legal department, but litigation and prosecution of patents are done outside of Apple, at large law firms. Second of all I never said Apple had no idea what they are doing - there is obviously some strategy here. What I am saying, however, is that by looking at these patents, even a junior patent attorney, such as myself, can conclude that any patent examiner worth $20 would not let the claims go to patent if they were shown the right prior art.
[–]betterth 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
What I am saying, however, is that by looking at these patents, even a junior patent attorney, such as myself, can conclude that any patent examiner worth $20 would not let the claims go to patent if they were shown the right prior art.
So a junior attorney believes he knows better than again, what is likely some of the best patent lawyers in the business. Or the board of executives, or whomever made this decision.
Listen, I guarantee Apple didn't jump headfirst into an idiotic lawsuit they have no chance of winning. There is a point to the suit, as there always is.
This armchair "LOL APPLE IS SO DUMB and/or EVIL" bullshit is just so beyond ridiculous. We know nothing of running multi-billion dollar corporations, and yet we all seem to think we know what the fuck is actually going on. Fucking hurbris.
[–]AlwaysDownvoted- 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Again I think you missed my point. I don't think Apple is dumb or evil. I wish I had some insight into their strategy. However, many of these tech companies file wishful patents because it helps get hem investors. I worked with huge Korean tech firms who try to patent some ridiculous bullshit like sniffers and things like that, server systems, etc, that has so much prior art, but they do it anyway in the case that some of them slip through and they can say "our patent portfolio is THIS huge" etc.
Again: I don't think Apple is evil or dumb, however my original point still stands - the article writer had no idea what they were talking about.
[–]elmer_the_arse 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
the article writer had no idea what they were talking about
agreed 100% but he still got loads of traffic
I would be with you if Apple was a patent troll with no other assets like SCO… but here you're using your knowledge (I know less than you) with too much comfort.
Apple has been experimenting with PDAs since before Bill Gates had any wet dreams about them, witness the Newton…
If you were right, Apple might be trying to discourage third parties from deploying the android platform for as long as possible.
[–]nekoniku 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
[...] will it simply take Apple to the mat with its “strong disagreement” and toothless positioning statements like the one above?
Establishing prior art to shoot down Apple's patents isn't a toothless strategy.
[–]Nerdlinger 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
A phone or even a touchscreen is not prior art. Patents are (or should be) about specific implementations of ideas. There are a lot of ways to implement a touchscreen, do it in a way that someone holds a patent on and you're opening yourself up to a lawsuit, even if you've used other implementations of touchscreens in the past.
That's why this is a toothless strategy. It addresses none of the specifics.
[–]FlyingBishop 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
That's because it's a press release, not a legal brief.
[–]Nerdlinger 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
That doesn't give it any more teeth. It's a bit like you suing me for hitting your car, and me issuing a press release saying that I've been driving for nearly 25 years. It's a marginally related fact that has nothing to do with the pending court case, and it certainly doesn't further my position.
[–]FlyingBishop 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
No, it's more like me accusing you of using stolen car parts at your auto shop, and you issuing a press release stating that you get your car parts from reputable sources, and suspect that I am just trying to run you out of business with baseless accusations.
Detailing your measures for checking the integrity of the parts you use is a kind of silly thing to do in a preliminary press release.
[–]Javbw 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
i s hard to show prior art when they didn't develop the OS. the lawsuits aren't about phones. it is almost all about the OS.
And the proximity sensor for sleeping the phone near your face. I don't think HTC has prior art for that.
[–]datawaslost 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
apple isn't suing htc for making a 'touchscreen device' - they're claiming that htc violated very specific patents, mostly relating to software and/or interface design. The fact that HTC's reply doesn't address any of these issues specifically, and instead just rattles off the company's "cutting-edge innovations that deliver unique value for people looking for a smartphone" shows they're just trying to win this case in the media, not court. here's the actual patents from the lawsuit, in case anyone's interested:
No. 7,362,331: "Time-Based, Non-Constant Translation Of User Interface Objects Between States"
No. 7,479,949: "Touch Screen Device, Method, And Graphical User Interface For Determining Commands By Applying Heuristics"
No. 7,657,849: "Unlocking A Device By Performing Gestures On An Unlock Image"
No. 7,469,381: "List Scrolling And Document Translation, Scaling, And Rotation On A Touch-Screen Display"
No. 5,920,726: "System And Method For Managing Power Conditions Within A Digital Camera Device"
No. 7,633,076: "Automated Response To And Sensing Of User Activity In Portable Devices"
No. 5,848,105: "GMSK Signal Processors For Improved Communications Capacity And Quality"
No. 7,383,453: "Conserving Power By Reducing Voltage Supplied To An Instruction-Processing Portion Of A Processor"
No. 5,455,599: "Object-Oriented Graphic System"
No. 6,424,354: "Object-Oriented Event Notification System With Listener Registration Of Both Interests And Methods"
No. 5,481,721: "Method For Providing Automatic And Dynamic Translation Of Object Oriented Programming Language-Based Message Passing Into Operating System Message Passing Using Proxy Objects"
No. 5,519,867: "Object-Oriented Multitasking System"
No. 5,566,337: "Method And Apparatus For Distributing Events In An Operating System"
No. 5,929,852: "Encapsulated Network Entity Reference Of A Network Component System"
No. 5,946,647: "System And Method For Performing An Action On A Structure In Computer-Generated Data"
No. 5,969,705: "Message Protocol For Controlling A User Interface From An Inactive Application Program"
No. 6,275,983: "Object-Oriented Operating System"
No. 6,343,263: "Real-Time Signal Processing System For Serially Transmitted Data"
No. 5,915,131: "Method And Apparatus For Handling I/O Requests Utilizing Separate Programming Interfaces To Access Separate I/O Service"
No. RE39,486: "Extensible, Replaceable Network Component System"
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[–]aristideau 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
????
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago*
exactly what the fuck does that mean?
I read the abstracts for a couple patents and some of these seem broad, its like trying to patent a power button.
[–]obvioustroll 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I wondered about that, too - the abstract says that the patent is for a technique of mapping an object-oriented user layer and OS to a procedural kernel.
In other words, they're talking about the mapping of OSX to its Mach kernel.
[–]faemir 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Every Apple product for the last few years has only helped establish my opinion that really, they don't do that much that is original and great. The ipod hasn't done anything worthwhile in ages (the new shuffle? :|) the ipad? errrrr.
[–]ephekt 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
The ipod hasn't done anything worthwhile in ages
Although I'd agree that there are better players out there if you're only interested in audio, especially for lossless support, the iTouch was a pretty innovative device. Apple definitely didn't invent the MID concept, but they brought the first truly successful one to market. That deserves some credit imo.
[–]faemir 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
True, but is it fair to call the iPod Touch innovative when all they did was market it well? They didn't invent new hardware right?
[–]ephekt 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
iTouch pedantry aside, of course I do. Not all tech innovation is strictly reducible to constituent parts. For example, HP may innovate in their designs despite the fact that they don't have any input into chip fabs. Apple is the same way in a lot of cases; they didn't invent the MID concept, capacitive touch screen or the concept of a smart phone, but they brought all these things to market as a neat little package that, unlike previous offerings, appeals to the average user.
Personally, I don't want an iPhone, but I can see why people (notably the non-technical) love them.
[–]faemir 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Yeah again, I'd argue this isn't being innovative, this is just doing it right, which the other companies had so far failed to do, so well done Apple :)
[–]Javbw 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago*
making some glass and circuits isn't innovative. at all.
making it do something is.
and for the touch/ iPhone, it is ALL ABOUT THE OS. and no one before the iPhone/iPod touch came out had a decent PDA/MID os. you suffered through with palm or WinCe. no one looked forward to using either of them.
and if you really want to get into it, the industry uses ARM CPU cores currently, which is a company that was backed by apple/Acorn in the 90's for making embedded low power CPUs - the ones used in the first Apple Newton.
Apple Invests heavily in battery technology research to meet the exact needs for it's batteries.
Apple properly mixes the screen, the controller, and the complex algorithms for determining the touch sensors. go look at the reviews for the accuracy of the touch enabled phones out there - Apple is on top - not because their glass is better - but because the software is better. And the engineering staff that had the Aha! moment and did it right deserve to patent their breakthrough - and that most certainly is innovative.
They also bought Chip Maker PA Semi to do their own chip design for the smaller devices going forward - not an existing PAsemi chip - but the crew to develop it - Liscensing the basic ARM chip design and building it up for their own personal needs to make the device exactly what they want it to be - rather than relying on Intel's Tegra - which is more generalized.
This is of course leaving out the iTS and the App market they created. the WinCE licensing program was a nightmare before this simple 70/30 split was offered (with marketing and distribution.) from apple. the iTS and the App Store are a part of the Touch, just like it's display is.
so to say that all the iPod touch is is marketing is ignorant. it is a fuck-ton more than that.
Doing it better than everyone else - or upending an entire global market is the definition of Innovative.
...touché. I never thought of it that way, but thanks for explaining it :)
[–]Javbw 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago*
I would read some of the foundation articles on roughlydrafted.com if oyu are interested in more details. Daniel is a fanboy, but he is a correct fanboy. I have been following his writing for a while now (also as "prince McLean on Appleinsider), and when it comes to product analysis, or overall trends in tech, he's usually spot on. The myths of ipod, myths of iphone, myths of iPad, etc are a good primer for how apple views the market and why A LOT of the criticism leveled at the products was, is, mostly groundless. there are always philosophy issues, like MP$ vs Ogg, but most of the crap about the iPad (I'ts a big iPod Touch!) is pure BS.
The Older, History of computing / WIndows / Mac OS that goes through the details of Apple's rise, fall and current position intertwined with Microsoft, IBM, Linux, SCO, and all the other players is an AWESOME read to get more of a foundation of who has been innovative and who has stumbled - and seeing howsome roles have reversed back and forth. I wouldn't call apple very innovative in th early 90's at all, besides the newton.
The History of the Tablet, which the iPod touch / iPhone is intertwined with is a good place to start .
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/01/15/the-inside-track-on-apples-tablet-a-history-of-tablet-computing/
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/
Right, i'll be sure to read this, thanks!
[–]f0000 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Just a quick correction: Tegra is Nvidia.
Thanks. I guess intel is the Atom, right?
[–]f0000 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Yup :)
[–]metachor 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Sure it is innovation. Innovation doesn't have to be a radical new idea. Innovation can be an iterative change in thinking that leads to a better product. Apple's innovation in this case was that of combining MID, capacitive touch screen, smart phone concept and good design. In hindsight we might say "this is just doing it right"; but because no one had combined these elements in a similar fashion before now, it was an innovation when Apple did it.
[–]tvon -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
You really think the only thing going for the iPod touch is the marketing?
[–]faemir 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Obviously not, it's a nicely cohesive overall packaging, but I'm saying does that really make it innovative. "Oh hi guys, we put all your crappy things together and made it work". If that is, then sure, i'm just not quite convinced.
[–]tvon 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
You have odd perceptions of what is innovative and what is not.
I won't deny that accusation, I guess i'm too naive.
[–]monoglot 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Actually, I'd say innovation is exactly that: putting a bunch of crappy things together and making them work.
[–]Javbw -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
iPod touch. it is a lowercase t.
Haha, nice catch. Though then I could argue that's their bad capitalisation rules, but I never got over the iEVERYTHING anyway.
[–]G_Morgan 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
But it is white. White!
I dunno about everyone else, but I bought a black DSLite, black ipod, black EeePC etc. It smudges more, but the extra badass totally makes up for that!
[–]noiserr 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Every Apple product for the last few years has only helped establish my opinion that really, they don't do that much that is original and great.
What company are you comparing them to I would like to know?
[–]m-p-3 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Asus with their launch of one of the first affordable netbook, which seems to become a more and more popular product nowaday.
Nintendo with the Nintendo DS, which introduced the use of a tactile display as an input for games to the mass.
That is innovation.
[–]noiserr 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago*
Affordable != innovative. Also level of innovation comparatively speaking between Asus and Apple is huge. Asus uses off the shelf parts with and off the shelf software.
iPhone's App Store for games is miles ahead Nintendo's publishing model. So is their OpenCL, Multitouch and accelerometer.
[–]m-p-3 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Asus still innovated by bringing a new product to the market, and it's becoming popular. Yes they might be cheap, but hey nobody did it in the past or at least not at the same pricing.
It might be miles ahead, but Nintendo still introduced the touch-based gaming to the mainstream market, which was an innovation at the time.
[–]noiserr -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago*
Actually Asus can't be credited anymore for creating a netbook than the OLPC project.
Asus EEE PC was just the right technology and price point at the right time. I took other hardware manufacturers like MSI, Acer, Dell, no time at all to do the same thing ASUS did. Is that really innovation?
I don't think you can pick a single tech company that has had more successful and innovative products in the last 30 years than Apple.
[–]kernelhappy 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I think the big problem in this whole discussion is how people define innovation. To me innovation is something that changes the game for its target and non-related subjects. Things like penicillin, insulin injections, the vacuum tube, the solid state transistor, these are innovations. They were radical departures from the way things were done and their influence spread far beyond their original intention. OS X, Windows 7, the iPhone, tablet PCs, netbooks, etc, are all obvious evolution. It's not like there weren't people like us 15 years ago thinking about how great the features in these items will be when they get here. Just because it's a technical marvel doesn't mean it's innovative.
I think the last innovative product Apple released was the Newton. It was a profound enough change from the digital pocket organizers that even though the product line itself died, it spurred Palm and in many ways set the expectations for the smart phones and mobile electronics we use today. The iPhone wasn't innovative, it was obvious evolution from the Newton and the mobile phone.
the fictonal one in his head, that uses alien tech made from waffles. so when it crashes, you can eat it.
This guy is delusional.
[–]kernelhappy 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Maybe he's not comparing it to a specific company, just commenting on the fact that the perception of Apple is different from the fact that they are just like the rest of the pack just with better PR.
It's not a easy metric to create but I "feel" that in reality Apple is no more innovative than Sony or Microsoft, but they definitely have better style.
if you are gong to compare transistors and and icons and so forth - sony, MS, Hitachi, Toshiba, etc, are all equally innovative. They all have R&D departments, all have secret plans, and all have come up with products that have altered the landscape of personal computing.
However, When looking at the current landscape of computing, There are few companies who have altered it more than Apple. Especially a company with ~ 12,000 employees (excluding the stores). Microsoft has ~90,000. Sony is a gigantic conglomerate, with divisions that fight each other for implementation. Read the articles that came out recently about tablets (the pet project of Bill) and the touch OS at Microsoft getting shafted by the office division. It was recently on daring fireball. I can never imagine anything Steve says is important getting shafted at apple because a dept head doesn't like it.
For a single company to bring computing to the masses with the Original Mac, properly introducing the stability of Unix to general computer users with Mac OS X, reshaping the entire music industry - not only in how music is consumed in the main stream, but also completely upend the distribution model, and is currently upending the entire wireless industry - it's very difficult for another company to have done so much.
Sony with the creation of the walkman, Playstation and Bravia Televisons, Microsoft with Windows 95 & Exchange servers, and many other things. but to have a company in the span of a few years upend two tangentially related markets is amazing. Bringing in Win 98, or shrinking down some laptops and calling them netbooks may earn you fame and money (or in the xbox's case, just fame) but a netbook is merely a laptop. Asus makes great gear. Good quality shit. But I would never compare them to Apple, in innovative terms.
to downplay the effect Apple has on the motivations of designers of Operating systems (Windows, Android, Palm) Consumer Electronics (Music Players, household gadgets) Computers (Particularly laptops) and the absolute superiority they command in making decent, understandable operating systems for their devices - the older Palm OS or the embedded OSes in RAZRs aren't winning any awards in user ease or consistency.
Apple brings difficult tech to the masses. Tech that other companies have issues implementing in a way that works for the "80%" of us. and taking an idea - a phone, an Mp3 player, a Computer, a tablet - and making it usable and accessible when it wasn't before is remarkable. Their marketing merely shows off the simplicity that it offers.
Those simplistic ideas - even if they are just "pressing a button" are the core of what makes Apple products different from the rest of the crowd - even if a few of those out there are technically better on paper.
[–]kernelhappy 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago*
Your points are valid, but they are not convincing me that Apple is any more innovative than the other guys. I'm not arguing against the merits of what Apple brings to market, I'm simply stating that in MY opinion, evolution isn't innovation. Michaelangelo didn't invent the marble statue, he simple worked with it beautifully.
Do you really believe that if Apple didn't exist we'd be stuck with clumsy and awkward UIs? Yes they brought the Mac and gui to the masses, so the innovation was in making it accessible to more people, but we all know that they didn't invent the GUI, and realistically if it wasn't Apple, someone else would have eventually gotten it out there. So yet the Mac was innovative, but just barely by my definition/usage of the word.
My only gripes with Apple are their price structure, I think that as nicely polished as some of their products are, the premium is too high. That and quite honestly, the blind fanboyism is a turn-off
(About the fan-boy thing: Honestly, look at my comments, I'm not shitting on Apple, I think my comments have been fairly lucid and based in solid rationale, yet I'm getting voted down. edit: I'm not karma complaining, just pointing it out) edit edit (maybe I was too hasty in complaining about the voting, seems like some of my downvotes went away)
Ultimately my point is that the term innovation is used way too losely. What Apple does is impressive in it's own right, I just don't agree with calling all of it innovation.
[–]faemir -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
Pretty much this, nicely put.
Well the additions to their devices are just as exciting and new as any other device manufacturer, whether it's mp3 players or smart phones or computer peripherals etc.
[–]jotaroh 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I always read HTC as THC
[–]noddyxoi 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
IPAQ.
And many of these patents go back to the 1990s. Did the iPaq exist in 1995?
[–]Abermike -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
Yes, but now Apple has made a phone that uses other companies features - and put that all-important "i" in-front of it - we've got to forget that other manufacturers could have been innovative in the past.
It's the law, unfortunately.
[–]marthirial 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Everything has been here already by years, but ignorant people purchase things not because of their utility but because of their status it brings them (Exhibit A: Bling).
Apple is a master of creating a whole culture, status, elitism, tribalism, segregation and suprematism through marketing. They can create a banana phone again and sell millions.
[–]dickcheney08[] -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
so what have we learned? htc marketing branch sucks? their user interface designers are diggers or worse? apple users are no geeks but gadget whores?
[–]DanWallace 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
And I played with touch screens at the Toronto Science Center like 20 years ago.
[–]dafones 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I heard someone made telephones before HTC. HTC has infringed their telephone patent!
[–]cmbezln 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
....i see your schwartz is bigger than mine.
[–]doronbc -6 points-5 points-4 points 1 year ago
A good site to look at is PDAdb.net, here are all the HTC phones ever made, and here are all the Apple phones. It's pretty obvious whose made more phones.
[–]Nerdlinger 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
Which has nothing to do with the specifics of this lawsuit.
[–]Antebios -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
<Brian Griffin>OH HO, THANK YOOUUUU!!!</Brian Griffin>
That's what I've been saying forever since the iPhone came out. All these iPhone zombies claiming that the iPhone does these amazing things never on a phone before, and I yawn.
[–]coppersink 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Arn't you a special unique snow flake!
[–]Antebios 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Yes. Yes I am.
[–]Jellybagel -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
You are? Sweet, I didn't know snowflakes could talk!
[–]Antebios 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I AM SPECIAL AND UNIQUE SNOW FLAKE!
[–]teaBagger -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
So Apple really are a bunch of ball lickers?
[–]wooptoo -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
Oops! Apple accidentally the whole trial.
[–]lastchance 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Seriously? It isn't a matter of HTC building good/bad phones. I have no doubt their early phones sucked... hell I haven't NOT wanted to smash a phone until I got my iPhone. But Apple's move is extremely aggressive, and could ultimately stifle competition.
There's nothing better for the iPhone than an Android phone that doesn't suck.
[–]ephekt 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago*
But Apple's move is extremely aggressive, and could ultimately stifle competition. There's nothing better for the iPhone than an Android phone that doesn't suck.
But Apple's move is extremely aggressive, and could ultimately stifle competition.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
hell I haven't NOT wanted to smash a phone until I got my iPhone.
I own an iTouch and it's a great little device, but I've never had any smash-worthy rage at Blackberries either. They're not nearly as useful as an Android or iPhone for goofing off but they are reliable and do email and business stuff very well. I also couldn't see witching to an iPhone personally, and my boss has offered to buy us all 3GS if we'd like. I'm one of the few holding out for AT&T's Android handsets. I think I'd be better served by a true smart phone than an app phone.
[–]PhilR8 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Five to six years ago? Try 2 1/2.
all it takes is a username and password
create account
is it really that easy? only one way to find out...
already have an account and just want to login?
login
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