this post was submitted on 09 Mar 2010
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slinky317 27 points28 points 6 months ago[-]

This is what happens when you choose T-Mobile as a primary carrier. Wait until they roll out on Verizon, and let them sell it in stores... sales will skyrocket.

colinnwn 18 points19 points 6 months ago* [-]

I accept your point as far as scope of current customers, but T-Mobile has an unwarranted bad rep as a carrier.

They are great as long as you are comfortable with good service in medium and large cities, and weaker service in the sparsely populated parts of western US. Heck I don't lose signal driving between Houston and Dallas.

Their customer service is the best in the industry (know that is not saying much). They have an "unsupported phones" department that helped me hook up an unlocked AT&T Blackberry onto their system and get all the features working.

They are quickly rolling out 3G in medium to large cities. On data plans they specifically say you get 10gig/mo and you are throttled to 2G speeds rather than most carriers that have an unpublished 5gig/mo limit and then you are at risk for being dropped from the service or charged more.

Their rate plans are very good for most people, especially if go with the non-subsidized "Even More Plus" plans and buy a cellphone somewhere else besides their stores.

slinky317 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

Agreed - they're a decent carrier but not the best. However, if you want to launch a phone to appeal to the masses and try to get good market-share, going though T-Mobile is a mistake. It happened that way with the G1, and now the Nexus One. I don't know why Google keeps going with them, unless they're obligated contractually.

FlyingBishop 10 points11 points 6 months ago[-]

If you're trying to level out the phone market and encourage competition, it makes sense to support lesser players and improve their reputation.

Android phones are on every carrier, and Google doesn't really care about their flagship, just so overall the hardware is of consistent quality.

colinnwn 6 points7 points 6 months ago[-]

I think the more likely reason is T-Mobile is willing to work with Google to do new and different things the stronger incumbents like Verizon and AT&T wouldn't consider. Don't forget that even with Apple's cachet as the cool kid, and iPhone's raging success, the CEO of Verizon still goes around boasting about how they refused to accede to Apple's demands.

AmbitionOfPhilipJFry 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

Verizon is only 10G a month? Is that the 'unlimited' 3G option?

colinnwn 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

T-Mobile's data plan (not sure if they advertise it as unlimited) is 10gB/mo at 3G speed if available, and after that it drops to 2G speed for no additional charge for the rest of the month.

Supposedly Verizon's "unlimited" 3G plan is 5gB/mo and every 1gB/mo after that is an additional $50 charge.

http://slashdot.org/story/09/11/09/068255/Verizon-Droid-Tethering-Comes-At-a-Hefty-Price

TheBobMcCormick 7 points8 points 6 months ago[-]

T-Mobile is way more affordable than Verizon. And in my area at least (northeast Denver) has vastly better coverage.

slinky317 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

They're more affordable because they bill themselves as the cheap carrier. And you may have good coverage in your area, but T-Mobile struggles and struggles hard with good 3G coverage in most areas.

TheBobMcCormick 3 points4 points 6 months ago[-]

Hey, I'm just saying, they don't get talked about much, but they really aren't a bad carrier. They currently have less 3G coverage than the other major carriers, but all indications are that they're expanding their coverage quite fast.

slinky317 -1 points0 points 6 months ago[-]

I agree, but they're really not the right choice for a carrier if you're looking to launch a flagship phone and want a lot of market-share. Which is why I don't understand why Google picked them for both the G1 and the Nexus One.

TheBobMcCormick 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

My guess would be that since they're not a flagship carrier, they were more likely to let Google dictate the terms?

skwigger 3 points4 points 6 months ago[-]

I like the droid more, if only for the physical keyboard.

otatop 5 points6 points 6 months ago[-]

The Droid's physical keyboard is pretty awful, and the Android keyboard works fairly well once you get used to it. I bought my Droid specifically for the keyboard, and haven't used it past the first couple of days.

hans1193 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

There are different versions of the droid out there, my wife and I actually have different ones... The keys on her keyboard are really flat and hard to use, mine are more raised and it works very well. I can really fly on that keyboard now.

jxmitchell 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

Same with the G1... the keyboard on the US version is different to the one on the UK version.

Fidodo 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

Considering this is Google and not Apple, so you actually have control over your phone, have they come out with swype for it yet? I'd like to know how well that works.

eduffy 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

Swype is sold only to OEMs. I've heard ShapeWriter is functionally equivalent to Swype, though. YMMV.

Fidodo 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

They should just sell it for $1 on the android app store. I'd buy it.

BennyG02 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

You can sign up for swype beta testing on their website or just download one of the early leaks that are out there.

cecilkorik 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

Yep. I'm still stuck with my G1 which is the only Android phone so far with a really good, staggered-layout keyboard. (Prove me wrong, reddit... please!)

Looking forward to the Nexus Two, and hoping it has a good keyboard. The "leaked photos" I've seen so far haven't instilled confidence.

unclejimbo88 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

I really wish HTC would make a Nexus One specced phone, with a keyboard. If there's anything they do right, it's making a great qwerty.

funkstick [S] 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

yeah I agree, and offering carrier discounts for locking in a contract obviously drives sales. They need to come to AT&T or Verizon if they want to drive up market share.

AmbitionOfPhilipJFry 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

As soon as it comes to Verizon, I'm gonna get one.

CC440 -1 points0 points 6 months ago[-]

I've honestly only ever met one person who had T-Mobile and it was during the height of the Sidekick craze. Maybe they have huge customer bases in the cities, but from what I've seen, they run a far 4th place.

svenM 6 points7 points 6 months ago[-]

Maybe if they sold it abroad it would sell better, I wanted to buy one, but my only option was to have it delivered to the UK and pick it up there, paying extra taxes etc. So now I will just buy the HTC desire as it is cheaper and sold here.

stillaftermath 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

Same hardware specs, SenseUI, trackpad instead of trackball. I'm not sure what you're missing by going with a Desire, really...?

dextroz 6 points7 points 6 months ago[-]

Fact that when Google comes out with the next iteration of Android, HTC will take 1 year to update Sense.

cloudsdrive 2 points3 points 6 months ago* [-]

Exactly why I just bought the nexus one instead of waiting for htc's offerings.

edit: although technically the nexus one is an htc offering...

unclejimbo88 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

I'm sure you can just slap a Nexus One rom on it, and the hackers are ahead of the OTA updates for pretty much everything.

svenM 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

as dextroz says the updates mainly.

TheBobMcCormick 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

I'd consider SenseUI to be a negative for the Desire. The stock UI on the N1 is absolutely gorgeous. Not to mention that when the next version of Android comes out you'll probably have to wait for HTC to update SenseUI. :-(

derekaw 4 points5 points 6 months ago[-]

I see the Nexus One as a phone for the tech enthusiast, there is absolutely a market for these people with the Nexus One but the market will always be small compared to those who are not tech enthusiasts and want an easy to use smartphone.

tanguyr 5 points6 points 6 months ago[-]

bingo.

I've got one. I love it, but i would never recommend it to someone who wasn't a geek. I'd probably send them to look at one of the new HTC android models coming out.

Vithar 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

I agree and disagree. I recommend them for anyone that wants a new top of the line phone. I think they work great fore some one who isn't a geek, they work at least as well or better than any other HTC android models. The reason I say I agree, is that I love my N1 also...

skydivingdutch 15 points16 points 6 months ago[-]

$500 is a lot to stomach for a phone.

ajehals 8 points9 points 6 months ago[-]

It's quite cheap for a smartphone.

cdawzrd 7 points8 points 6 months ago[-]

The point is, most sales will come from carrier-subsidized contract purchases, since only a minority of enthusiasts will want to shell out for the unlocked version.

ajehals 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

True, but given that the carrier-subsidized contract purchases when looking at handset costs are vastly higher than outright purchases and other outright pricing is higher or about on a par for something similar it is fair to suggest that it is fairly cheap, or at least on average for a phone.

Personally I wouldn't buy a carrier-subsidized handset because the pricing is insane and depreciation makes it even less attractive, but obviously most people disagree, or in the every least are unable to pay for a handset upfront.

Vithar 4 points5 points 6 months ago[-]

I'm with you, I bought my Nexus One, and I use it with AT&T (edge is the fastest local speeds available). AT&T thinks I have an LG shine, and only charges me $20 for unlimited data, $5 messaging, $20 1000 min of talking (total of $45 a month). The service is about 3 years old, and I'm out of contract, they keep asking me if I want to upgrade to an iphone or blackberry since I use so much data, but I say, no I like my LG shine...

JonLatane 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

Maybe I’m mistaken, but as far as I know, carrier-subsidized phones don’t cost anything extra on your bill; they just require a contract commitment. I mean, I guess if you want to break contract it will end up costing you more, but generally it’s only a 2-year commitment, and at least on my carrier after those 2 years you can get another $150 off by committing for another 2 years.

I don’t necessarily approve of the practice as it’s all about lock-in, but could you put some numbers together to actually show me how subsidized phones end up costing more? From what I can tell, it’s buy the phone for $500 and pay $X/mo for as long as you have it, or buy it for $200 and pay the same $X/mo for 2 years and as long as you have it after that.

noisebar 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

FYI, to buy a Tmobile subsidized Nexus One, you have to get the $80 plan while my current plan is $60. Over $20 (plus tax and other charges) per month over two years is much more than the price difference of $350.

ajehals 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

Maybe I’m mistaken, but as far as I know, carrier-subsidized phones don’t cost anything extra on your bill; they just require a contract commitment.

My plan costs me about £15 a month, if I had the same plan but with a handset and over 18 months on a contract it would more than double... So, I can buy a phone for £400, the equivalent of 8 months at £50pm, and then pay £15 for however long I want, or get a plan that costs me £50 a month for 25 monts and get a 'free' phone (and then continue paying £50 a month until I realise that there are cheaper options...).

I don’t necessarily approve of the practice as it’s all about lock-in, but could you put some numbers together to actually show me how subsidized phones end up costing more?

I suppose it will depend on where you are and what plans are available to you, I get 300 minutes (to any network), 300 texts and 3Gb of data a month (and it's the UK so no incomming charges) for £15/m without a handset, it would cost significantly more than that to get a similar contract plus a handset.

brosps 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

colinnwn 11 points12 points 6 months ago[-]

True, but the Nexus One's specs are above average too. It is cheaper than a brand new unlocked iPhone 3GS, and has twice the processor and upgradeable memory. Granted it is too bad Android doesn't have apps able to run off the SD card yet.

da_homonculus 12 points13 points 6 months ago[-]

Granted it is too bad Android doesn't have apps able to run off the SD card yet.

Being an owner of a Nexus One, this isn't really an issue. The apps are small in size, typically less than 2 MB.

Also, if you really like having tons of apps, you can get a file managing app and save your more rarely used install files to your sd card. When you need the app, just pull up the file and install again, which takes seconds.

derekaw -1 points0 points 6 months ago[-]

That is not convenient. When you NEED an app you NEED it now.

alphabeat 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

Then da_homonculus' point stands as well.

save your more rarely used install files to your sd card

bluGill 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

There are only a few apps I need. I can go weeks without playing some of the games on my phone. I'll install them when I want them. Email, facebook, im, web browser, and so on: those remain installed all the time because I use them.

ajwest 6 points7 points 6 months ago[-]

Don't forget the OLED screen.

FlyingBishop 5 points6 points 6 months ago[-]

You only linked the locked versions. Unlocked:

http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphone-reviews/?filter=1101538_14336658_&tag=mncol;dir3

Nexus One is still high-end, but it is cheap compared to comparably specced phones.

ajehals 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

Most of those are locked to a network, the Nexus isn't... It seems about on par if you just look at unlocked phones.

lastchance 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

Despite it not being sold in Canada, if they want to sell more and have a fast & major impact on the marketplace, all they need to do is lower the price. Make it a loss leader with no contract, and everything changes.

I'm buying gift phones for family members, and getting used iPhone 3G phones off Kijiji (family members just use WiFi and no data plans).

What would have been better? A couple Nexus Ones.

How long will it take my family members to "use up" their iPhones? Might take 5 years.

myopinionstinks 8 points9 points 6 months ago[-]

I think it was short-sided to not support native exchange server sync. They effectively cut out a large business sector market. I was going to purchase one until I learned of this lack of convenience feature.

TheBobMcCormick 10 points11 points 6 months ago[-]

It comes out of the box with minimal exchange support (email and contacts only), but there are several third party apps on the market that offer complete full featured Exchange support.

myopinionstinks 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

Do you have links? I'm going to be upgrading on the 23rd to either a droid or nexus and have verizon as a carrier but NEED full exchange functionality.

TheBobMcCormick 6 points7 points 6 months ago[-]

These are a few I found in a couple of minutes of searching. There may be others. I haven't tried any of them. The built in email-only syncing is all that I actually need. I'm not exactly an exchange power user. :-)

http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.nitrodesk.droid20.nitroid http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.moonrug.android http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.moxier.mail

Latch 3 points4 points 6 months ago[-]

I have bought (and still love) Nitrodesk's Touchdown. I had it before Android got Exchange support, and even when it did, I kept using Touchdown. I tried the built-in Exchange email for a few days, then went straight back to Touchdown. I can't remember what annoyances pushed me back to Touchdown, but I had no qualms about moving back. Well worth the license fee, IMHO.

http://www.nitrodesk.com/

myopinionstinks 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

What is this "bought" you speak of?

Latch 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

Haha. I don't mind purchasing quality software if I'm going to use it every day. If it's all the same I'll go an open-source version of an app that does some function. If it's not, and I'll actually use the stuff every day, I buy it.

Examples of this are Touchdown, Crossover Pro by Codeweavers, games on Steam....

myopinionstinks 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

Oh, yes. Totally agree. And IMO, Steam is the greatest form of DRM out there.

alphabeat 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

How much is it?

da_homonculus 3 points4 points 6 months ago[-]

Supposedly, the next version of the Nexus One will be an "Enterprise Edition."

http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/10746.html

myopinionstinks -3 points-2 points 6 months ago[-]

Yea yea, I've been bitten by the hype about the N1 before ;)

noiserr 4 points5 points 6 months ago[-]

Exchange calendar support on the iPhone was a big deciding factor for me.

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TheBobMcCormick 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

Monetarily your best choice is to get the TMobile Even More Plus plans (cheaper per month, but don't subsidize your phone) and by the phone at full price. The initial outlay for the phone seems high, but you'll save about a grand over the course of a two year contract.

colinnwn 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

Also, don't buy a phone at T-Mobile stores unless you really need their offer of 20 months interest free payments. Even then, credit card interest might be as cheap or cheaper. You can almost always find cheaper unlocked phones online. Last I looked they were selling Blackberry Pearls for $299, when you can get them new online for $150.

CC440 -1 points0 points 6 months ago[-]

If Verizon doesn't have signal I know T-Mobile and Sprint won't and I highly doubt AT&T would either.

TheBobMcCormick 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

Not necessarily true. At my house (near DIA in Denver), I get great voice connectivity and 3g data on T-mobile. When my brother visits, his Verizon phone can barely place a call unless he goes outside.

corduroy 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

Verizon must have ignored Colorado. My fiance's verizon phone had spotty coverage and my TMO phone had full bars in those same areas. She's enjoying her TMO coverage now.

timbro1 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

maybe if they sell it in Canada we can help out the numbers

ajwest 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

We always get nice things from Google after the fact. I'm sure we'll get it, it'll just be a really long time.

m-p-3 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

I'd get it if it was available in Canada :(

vsuontam 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

I'd get it too if it was available in Finland <:(

-Santa Claus

Originate 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

Maybe if they didn't require me to change my price plan to one that is exactly the same, except $10 more expensive per month... I definitely would have already purchased one if it wasn't for that.

da_homonculus 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

I think the main problem with Nexus sales is that there is no advertising for it. How does Google expect this device to sell if no one but tech blog readers know about it?

They need to make a commercial branding the Nexus One a "superphone," like they did when they announced it.

tanguyr 2 points3 points 6 months ago[-]

I'm not so sure they even care that much. I think it was more about just kicking the smartphone (well, non-iphone smartphone) game up a notch. I'm sure they've got loads of plans for what comes next, but if they expected this thing to just magically sell itself without some kind of concerted advertising push behind it, they've got another think coming.

fenshi 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

If they'd hurry up and make it available on Verizon I'd buy one.

jordanlund 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

I like the idea of the Nexus One and I'd consider buying one, but not before I get to play with one in a store. I'm not buying a pig in a poke.

lolinyerface 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

I'd have picked one up if... A) I knew it was out at the time I got my Motorola Droid. B) It was available for Verizon.

nekoniku 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

I would love to know what Google's expectations were for the Nexus One rollout. I would also like to find out from which orifice Goldman Sachs extracted their N1 sales predictions.

I think it is quite likely Google wanted small initial sales numbers, in part as a form of damage control if there were problems. They were entering an untested field; it would fit with their normal modus operandi to treat the N1 introduction as a kind of beta test.

mnotme 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

This must be why they are giving it away to devs who have a app score better than 3.5(?).

tanguyr 1 point2 points 6 months ago[-]

They want (they need) lots more and better apps to compete with the iphone. Giving away free hardware to people with a track record of building just that is a good idea.

Antebios 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

Because they didn't let me upgrade my existing phone to a Nexus just because I was on a family plan, they lost out.

ryegye24 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

That's just a little sad.

Fidodo 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

I didn't even hear about this, and I'm a reddit addict. Of course nobody is buying it if nobody knows about it.

edwin177 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

Uhhh...

1mm > 25% * 3.5mm

Junosi 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

And its still not fucking available in Australia !!!! (overseas ebay excepted) I know of at least ten other people that are still hanging out for it to be available here, meanwhile iphone marches on

maniaq 0 points1 point 6 months ago[-]

only good things will come of this

gmerideth -1 points0 points 6 months ago[-]

T-Mobile rep tells me my account is flagged for the special upgrade price, Google's website claims that it's not and I must pay full price and setup a new account. See, I can actually "talk" to someone at T-Mobile, that's called customer service.

Google should Google "customer service" because they have no idea what it means. There is nobody, no number and a joke of a forum to post messages on to ask Google questions. Since nobody at Google gave any attempt to "help" me, I have no intention of buying their product.