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Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:47:29 -0700

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notjawn on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T11:19:06.613910-07:00-0700

Neat idea, but I think bars would resort to ordering plastic cups before they shelled out for super-sciencey glasses.

EatSleepJeep on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T11:38:53.099104-07:00-0700

If this solution doesn't work then the UK government will just ban glass in pubs and bars altogether. For those that cry about it being the "nanny state," if your populace stopped acting like juveniles by breaking glasses over each others' faces then you wouldn't need a nanny.

Kitchenfire on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T17:38:30.194935-07:00-0700

If I recall correctly, in the UK there are something like 70,000 (yes, seventy thousand) incidents annually involving someone in a pub jamming a broken glass into someone's face/body. You don't get maimed by wild animals in the UK, you get maimed by wild drunks.

shniken on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T03:10:17.505507-07:00-0700

Some Australian governments* (I know Victoria has) have banned glass in some pubs. *I think it was either a "request" from the police or from the liquor licencing body.

collector7 on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T18:26:31.655837-07:00-0700

"if your populace stopped acting like juveniles by breaking glasses over each others' faces then you wouldn't need a nanny." You seem to fail at logic. Basically you are saying that since people can be bad we need to give people a monopoly on the use of force (government) over other people. I didn't know people automatically became more ethical when they were called the government.

tbydal on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T03:11:16.958697-07:00-0700

No he's saying a big chunk of the population are jamming broken glass into each others faces. Replacement with plastic cups will eliminate this problem. Failing at logic? Do you even know what logic is?

bluGill on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-10T14:57:41.734707-07:00-0700

> Replacement with plastic cups will eliminate this problem Broken plastic is sharp as well. You break it in different ways, but creative drunks will figure out how to get the same effect.

tbydal on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-11T01:35:52.095183-07:00-0700

No, it simply doesn't. Try to cut something with a plastic bottle. Injuries sustained by "glassing" are horrific. Parts of the face peeled directly off the skull, or blindness, or even death from blood loss. The scarring is dreadful.

logrusmage on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T12:26:01.583881-07:00-0700

You've managed to completely miss the point of the term "nanny state." Congrats! You're a facist! =D

aGorilla on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T12:45:58.592119-07:00-0700

How so? Banning glasses in bars seems like a perfect example of a "nanny state" law, that's how most of that shit passes.

redDEADresolve on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T18:26:46.976343-07:00-0700

plastic ruins the taste of the beer.

mexicodoug on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T20:30:15.754044-07:00-0700

It's also hard to fill a plastic cup without overdoing it on head.

wurtis16 on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T16:31:50.335194-07:00-0700

Bars in the states usually get the glasses free from sales reps and liquor distributors. They don't incur any cost for pints.

notjawn on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T16:58:24.959732-07:00-0700

Yeah I would like to see the shatter proof glasses in action. Anything is better than those 10 oz rip off mugs some bars use.

wurtis16 on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T17:08:25.070498-07:00-0700

Most glasses are 16 with two fingers of head so about 14 oz.

TREQ_DRQS_MSG_PN on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T19:05:26.773298-07:00-0700

There are certain bars that will lose much of their business if they switch to plastic, though I doubt that that set intersects much with that of bars where broken glass in someone's face is a constant concern.

PopeJohnPaulII on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T11:07:56.516738-07:00-0700

I think they underestimate the craftiness of a drunk.

HaMMeReD on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T16:55:29.833024-07:00-0700

Exactly, there are still bar stools, pool cues, pool balls, darts and many other bar related dangerous things about. I think they should only be allowed to drink from a straw out of a hole in a padded room.

TREQ_DRQS_MSG_PN on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T19:06:38.579028-07:00-0700

I like this idea. I will present you with a mystery object, from which you'll imbibe, through a hole. It's brilliant, just needs a marketing name. How about "glory hole?" edit: I'll get started marketing this on craigslist.

SmartAssX on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T13:19:24.334458-07:00-0700

They may have turned the glasses in to rocks.... i guess there going to make the bar stool more safe some how? Oh, and what about the pitcher?

Juggernath on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T22:01:07.767900-07:00-0700

Tethered to the table by a contraption similar to a laptop lock. The waitresses have the keys.

SmartAssX on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T22:08:58.904571-07:00-0700

Noted, hit on waitresses more to get keys.

psyne on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T08:43:16.500306-07:00-0700

Yeah, I have to wonder how much better it will be now that people will just bludgeon eachother with their glasses rather than stab.

davel_jonez on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T13:04:23.974625-07:00-0700

So, what's up with England and bar fights?

IndicaVsSativa on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T13:11:58.217237-07:00-0700

I think it has something to do with how they are far more civilized than America or mainland Europe.

jordanlund on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T11:57:12.768940-07:00-0700

The first design will just make pint glasses a better bludgeon.

skwigger on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T07:20:12.768633-07:00-0700

this was my thought. I now have a nice weapon to beat the other guy with, and I don't have to worry about the glass shattering and doing severe damage to my hand.

kibitzor on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T11:24:07.176078-07:00-0700

Well, looks like they'll start bringing knives now.

llanor on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T12:18:49.659877-07:00-0700

There are only two knives left in England.

eskimofo on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T18:46:37.372993-07:00-0700

And one is stuck into the back of lady liberty!

magusprimal on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T06:15:11.408519-07:00-0700

It is my turn with the other one next, I need to make a sandwich.

helekopters on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T11:54:25.245489-07:00-0700

No worries, instead of the glass breaking into a bunch of really tiny worthless and mildly dangerous shards, it will break into a few small yet tough shanks that you can easily stab your opponent with.

elquesogrande on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T12:05:43.855724-07:00-0700

Anyone else see this as putting a band-aid on the symptom?

Tantivy on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T14:00:25.046979-07:00-0700

Yes, but sometimes that's all you can do. We have a terrible drinking culture, but that's been part of England's identity for hundreds of years - seriously, Chaucer makes jokes about it - and so any attempt to deal with the root causes of this kind of shit is going to require a massive shift in people's attitudes towards alcohol. Of course, the alternative is just to ban Stella.

elquesogrande on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T15:14:21.825136-07:00-0700

They successfully branded Stella as a premium beer here in the US. Talk about a massive shift in attitudes towards alcohol.

spencewah on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T22:21:42.968018-07:00-0700

Ashex on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T10:18:19.147125-07:00-0700

I'm kind of glad it has been branded as that. I dislike drinking beer and Stella is one I can tolerate. Now that people think it's fancy beer I don't get crap.

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2010-02-08T13:56:58.774023-07:00-0700

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evrae on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T05:52:41.126182-07:00-0700

It'll hold a pint, since when things are sold by pints they have to actually give you a pint!

sunshine-x on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T19:14:08.077632-07:00-0700

no shit.. a classic example of a solution looking for a problem. Here's an idea - plastic glasses. Done.

evrae on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T05:51:48.789901-07:00-0700

What? Did you somehow contrive to miss: >The British Design Council enlisted a local design studio - DesignBridge - to make the glasses more difficult to smash and less dangerous to the victim.

sunshine-x on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T08:18:27.555613-07:00-0700

Regardless, it's a ridiculous solution to their problem. The solution could have simply been "plastic cups". Boom, done. No need to change manufacturing processes, no need for bio-coatings (whatever that is), no need for additional cost. Is there a reason the obvious solution, plastic cups, was not an option?

thisisvariable on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T13:39:54.305568-07:00-0700

Sweet! I can't wait to begin the process of 'upgrading' all the 'legacy' pint glasses I have at home with these!

thatmorrowguy on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T13:13:33.711730-07:00-0700

Darn, the drunks will just have to resort to beer bottles instead.

GoForTheEyes on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T14:20:13.362194-07:00-0700

They're now pouring the contents from the glass bottles to the plastic glasses around the waterholes I've visited.

in_vitro on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T19:03:42.658467-07:00-0700

Begbie will not be pleased.

tjcoyle on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T21:17:48.797778-07:00-0700

What does go on over there? I've seen many a bar here in the states over the course of nearly 20 years, and only two incidences where I can recall fists being drawn. Nearly ever bar I've been to has glass pints, too, quite a few with hefty pitchers.

easyjet on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T02:24:44.254548-07:00-0700

I've grown up (sort of) in UK bars and pubs despite not actually being much of a drinker, but its sociable. Never really had any trouble, seen 2 or 3 fights in 20 years, most of the time, its outside on the street. More often than not its girls. There are many towns where the bar areas are heaving with people, lots of cheap booze and of course some trouble. Its not everyday all day. Its generally kids - `18-24 who cant handle their drink. Most english people cant handle their drink - they think they can - but they cant, and peoples responsibility level is about 0. Many people will tell you they explicitly drink to get drunk, totally and utterly ratarsed, to use a colloquialism. Personally, I think that hospitals should charge people who are admitted if the reason is alcohol. A nice fat bill for a few grand for getting stitched up at 3am would have a massive effect. Hard to administer though.

stunkcrunk on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T16:40:22.600840-07:00-0700

Damn, the bars I go to serve drinks in plastic cups...

TopRamen713 on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T07:58:58.859738-07:00-0700

If that were the case here, I wouldn't go to bars

gerg6111 on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T19:26:59.835402-07:00-0700

or you could stop serving drunks.

rufflesdance on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T07:28:24.769741-07:00-0700

Should we ban fast food chains selling to fat people?

gerg6111 on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T10:41:51.333608-07:00-0700

yes. and stop calling me fat.

Hookhand on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T21:15:28.495183-07:00-0700

That's racist.

DEADB33F on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T22:43:39.601733-07:00-0700

What's wrong with using tempered glass? Carling glasses already do this, and it works great. It has to be far cheaper & environmentally sustainable than this system.

tbrennandc on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T23:34:36.937877-07:00-0700

All i saw was "beer colder, for longer."

sotonohito on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T14:29:53.942520-07:00-0700

They're taking the wrong approach. Health care costs lots of money. Funerals cost significantly less. Cleansing the gene pool of the sort of thug/idiot who enjoys bar brawls is a valuable public service. We need to make bar fights increasingly deadly, not less dangerous.

psilokan on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T15:05:16.318671-07:00-0700

You missed prototype #3, when struck with it the glass will explode sending shrapnel into the brawler's faces and killing them instantly.

sotonohito on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T15:15:05.342500-07:00-0700

See, I can get behind that one.

RedSalesperson on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T16:57:02.377998-07:00-0700

You should probably stand to the side, to avoid the shrapnel.

DougTGN on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T04:39:23.674708-07:00-0700

That's all well and good unless you've just been accosted by some drunken git when you don't want to fight. What you need is some kind of magical backfiring glass that when it shatters just wrecks the hand of the guy holding it :P

Charlie-Green-Rug on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T11:40:50.455791-07:00-0700

Doesn't matter how good an idea it is, if it costs the club owner more to use these glasses, then they won't get used.

zen_tm on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T12:55:46.531685-07:00-0700

You forget that most pubs get their premium glasses provided free by the brewerys as a branding exercise.

jdhawk on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T13:09:39.835041-07:00-0700

The possibility of branding would allow beer producers to offer glasses at highly discounted prices (free) for pubs that stock their brews.

Charlie-Green-Rug on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T02:25:31.914378-07:00-0700

Nearly all mmajor brewers do this already.

logrusmage on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T12:27:00.398819-07:00-0700

If they don't provide more benefit than they cost then how exactly can they be a good idea?

Charlie-Green-Rug on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T12:30:28.527915-07:00-0700

They'd benefit the NHS, which would spend less money on dickheads getting injured in barfights. And they would obviously benefit dickheads getting in barfights, because they wouldn't be getting their faces cut open with such regularity. But since neither of those people are paying for the glasses, and since the club owner couldn't give a shit about the dickheads OR the NHS, the only thing that will make these glasses a success is making them more cost effective than regular glasses.

aGorilla on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T12:47:15.064880-07:00-0700

I would imagine it would reduce the odds of the owner being sued.

TREQ_DRQS_MSG_PN on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T19:08:44.954772-07:00-0700

If what you're saying is true then it might make sense for the NHS to buy these glasses and give them to pubs for free.

Charlie-Green-Rug on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T22:57:13.766649-07:00-0700

I think some kind of government rebate scheme would be workable.

ENOTTY on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T22:27:45.318216-07:00-0700

Would the energy that used to go into breaking apart the glass now smack up against something more solid and cause greater injury?

Charlie-Green-Rug on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-09T02:23:28.527853-07:00-0700

No, the damage that results from being hit by a glass is because the glass smashes, and proceeds to cut your face off.

driftersgold on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T12:58:30.284287-07:00-0700

now they want to take the fun out of a bar fight. first it was smoking what is next?

terumo on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T17:49:30.316616-07:00-0700

hmmmm, that is towards bard fights, nobody will buy it, we need more damage.

jesusjesus on Bar fights: design intervention to reduce cost and injuries

2010-02-08T22:05:32.142531-07:00-0700

Plastic. Pints.